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iOS falls to third place behind Windows Phone in Romania

0. phoneArena 18 Mar 2014, 00:55 posted on

Chalk up another country in the European Union where iOS has fallen to third place in market share....

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posted on 18 Mar 2014, 01:07 3

1. Scott93274 (Posts: 1354; Member since: 06 Aug 2013)


Interesting article, but it has an incorrect headline.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 01:25 3

2. bugsbunny00 (Posts: 1256; Member since: 07 Jun 2013)


who cares iphone 6 will come with a bang! and thats that.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 01:27 5

3. alterecho (Posts: 1091; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


" is building a solid base for itself"
Nokia is building a strong base for them.
Specifically the Lumia 520.

Apple, as usual, seems to have priced their devices too high.
Android in the price range of the 520 lag. Which is why Google is in a rush to make Android efficient.
So the winner is 520, which invariably means Windows Phone.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 03:31 3

15. Jason2k13 (Posts: 657; Member since: 28 Mar 2013)


You've tried all Android phones at the $100-200price range? And define lag? Making it unusable? Or just slight stutter which makes no difference when using the phone for basic needs.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 06:48 3

39. alterecho (Posts: 1091; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


Yes I have, and it's stutter, as you say. It's usable but, one could easily be swayed to Lumia 520, since it 'appears' to be better because of its extra smoothness and fancier Nokia hardware. It's smoothness maybe attributed to the fact that it's capability is vastly diminutive compared to Android or any other OS.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 05:55

33. Liveitup (Posts: 1581; Member since: 07 Jan 2014)


WP consumer satisfaction rate disagrees with you. A smartphone especially a low end one hardware can only carry you so far, its obvious that the software plays a major part of the smartphone experience especially in a cheap device like the 520 where specs are nowhere as impressive as high end models.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 06:55 2

41. alterecho (Posts: 1091; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


Exactly. In cheaper devices, where the Hardware can take you so much, Android slows down since it needs to carry on a heavier feature set. WP, with it's extremely limited feature set, can run past Android in this tier. So automatically people get the opinion that Windows Phone is better.
Also, the hardware of lower end Androids are not up to the mark of Nokia's Lumia. Add to that, how new smartphone users and people in general, in Europe, have brand recognition for Nokia, you have a fast selling low end device, which invariably runs on WP.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 01:30 7

4. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3618; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)


Moto G>lumia 525

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 02:07 4

8. bon24x7 (Posts: 205; Member since: 30 Aug 2012)


cost wise...!

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 01:34 5

5. twens (Posts: 700; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)


Haters gone hate. Wp is the most smoothest OS I have ever laid my eyes on. It doesn't know any nonsense. The best OS that brings both IOS and android features together yet runs perfectly than both of them combined together. You can hate Microsoft but don't hate the OS.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 01:45 5

6. Feanor (Posts: 334; Member since: 20 Jun 2012)


Well... hmm... I may agree with you after Windows Phone 8.1 is released; for the moment Windows Phone actually does sorely lack in features. No personal assistant and no notification bar are big deal breakers until 8.1 comes to market.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 02:28 1

11. Alex123 (Posts: 227; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)


Agreed! I am also using WP8 and it is really a very smooth OS but i have to say that WP8.1 is a real competitor to Android and iOS

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 01:59 7

7. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3618; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)


'The best OS that brings both
IOS and android features
together' lol how does it do exactly. Its completely useless OS. It doesnt have half the functionality of android. And wp8 is horribly laggy and buggy

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 02:09 5

9. bon24x7 (Posts: 205; Member since: 30 Aug 2012)


laggy n buggy? you're right if you were mentioning android..

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 02:14 6

10. danjun220 (Posts: 5; Member since: 23 Feb 2014)


The android OS is just as the buggiest and laggiest OS... period!!

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 03:23 8

13. alterecho (Posts: 1091; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


WP8 is not laggy, even though its useless.
I can't tell if its buggy, since you need to do be able to do something, to be able to tell if there are bugs.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 04:09 2

24. sbw44 (Posts: 412; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)


So what you saying is that WP can't do anything? Wow I knew you were stupid but didn't know you were that stupid!

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 06:48 1

40. DarkStar286 (Posts: 70; Member since: 18 Mar 2014)


I'm curious, what exactly is that you think you can't do on a WP8 device?

Personally I use both ecosystems, I was an Android phone user (SGS3, which is still my backup phone), my main tablet runs Android (Nexus 2013), but I just couldn't resist getting the 1020 for that awesome camera. And now that I have swapped I've not found anything of importance I can do on my Android devices that I can't do in my 1020. Sure it took me a while to adjust, but once I had I found WP8 to have a much nicer UX than Android.

Oh and WP8 is definitely not buggy. I think I've had to turn my 1020 off just twice since getting it last September, I wish I could say the same about my Android devices!

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 07:31 2

43. alterecho (Posts: 1091; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


I'm feeling laszy so i'll point out only very few:
- Can't set custom tones for new text, IM, or voicemail. Even for normal ringtones, you have to sideload it.
- Can't search for anything on the phone.
- Can't set wallpapers other than for lock screen.
- No shortcuts for WiFi, rotation lock, data.
- No seperate volume profile.
- and goes on.

You're using another OS as a backup. I don't have one and am living with Windows Phone for 2 years, so i found out a lot about it. The people who support WP are newbies and i too praised it for how its smooth and all, back when i was a newbie.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 08:04 1

44. DarkStar286 (Posts: 70; Member since: 18 Mar 2014)


But none of those things are missing functionality, they're just window dressing (excuse the pun), most of which can be added with an app. Oh and all of those will be fixed in 8.1, but that's another matter.

And I don't use another OS as a backup, I said I still have my SGS3 as a backup, just in case. I was merely making the point that I'm very familiar with Android's capabilities. My 1020 is the only phone I actually use on a daily basis and I say again, functionality wise I really don't see a gap between the two and nothing you said suggests otherwise.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 08:52 2

45. alterecho (Posts: 1091; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


Those ARE missing functionality! Basic ones too.

"most of which can be added with an app"
No. The way the OS is made makes it impossible to address some of the drawbacks i mentioned. For example, you might have downloaded some app such as Shortcut tiles, to get toggle switches, and would have noticed that the its just that, a shorcut. It still opens the settings and you have to toggle stuff from there.

Your phone, the 1020, is an amazing piece of hardware from Nokia. Would you feel the same with some other device?

Functionality wise, the gap is humongous. Either you haven't noticed it yet or you have not used your previous device fully. You'll notice it surely, unless WP8.1 corrects it.

By the way, thats just a small part of a bigger list.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 10:34 1

49. DarkStar286 (Posts: 70; Member since: 18 Mar 2014)


Sorry, but you're just plain wrong. Those things you have mentioned have anything to do with missing functionality, they're purely aesthetic. OK, so a few things take an extra press or two to do, but that's not the same as the function being missing.

The only thing you mentioned that I do agree that is missing and is actually functional is the lack of independent volume controls. I've learnt to live with that, but will be so pleased when it's fixed in 8.1.

I'll ask you again, is there actually anything that an Android phone can do that a WP phone can't? The only thing I can think of is the personal assistant-like abilities of Google Now, though personally I hate that and turn it off on my Android devices.

As for how I use my phone, it's like a Swiss army knife to me. I use it as a diagnostic tool for work (I'm a network analyst), it controls much of my house (I'm well into home automation) and home network, I occasionally use it as an FT P (stupid comments section thinks FT P is a url and wouldn't let me post without the space in it) server when I'm out and about. Hell, I even occasionally make calls on it! And all of this (and much, much more) I can do on WP, just as I can on Android.

I really don't think there's anything of importance missing in WP, it just has a different approach to doing things. It's just a matter of getting used to it, which did take me a couple of months, but if you don't like WP's way of doing things then it's not the platform for you.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 11:49 1

50. alterecho (Posts: 1091; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


It sure isn't and the small list (of many) i mentioned ARE missing functionality. I'm sorry (or glad) you don't see it as such. If you dismiss functionalities as not being important, then there is no room for improvement of any OS (especially WP).

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 06:01 1

34. Liveitup (Posts: 1581; Member since: 07 Jan 2014)


As a WP user I find WP anything but useless, it is the smoothest, best looking, consistent, efficient, secure OS available on the market. Matter of fact it is safe to say it has had a major influence on todays smartphones, with everyone now going flat from skeumorphism design, look at the most popular Android device within community, HTC one homescreen looks like a Windows Phone. An average consumer can easily mistake that for a WP. That is how influential WP is, oddly you guys go on about \open sourced when Android and its OEM is increasingly becoming flatter and simplier, look at GS 5 most of its bloatware is gone

WP has a lot of functionality, while you can arguably say that Android is opened source so it is more flexible, to think that because its open source that it somehow makes it better is utter ignorance, both platform models have their advantages and disadvantages that does not mean one is better than the other , just different.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 09:50 1

46. PBXtech (Posts: 984; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)


Except the HTC One isn't the most popular device in the Android community. You've propped up your argument with a falsehood.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 03:28 9

14. alterecho (Posts: 1091; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


"Wp is the most smoothest OS I have ever laid my eyes"
Agreed, but thats all the good you can say about WP.
Its also a bait (along with Nokia), though. It lures people into its trap, with its smoothness (and Nokia).

"It doesn't know any nonsense."
It knows nothing.

"The best OS that brings both IOS and android features together yet runs perfectly than both of them combined together."
Thats what Microsoft thought they were doing.

"You can hate Microsoft but don't hate the OS."
I started hating Microsoft BECAUSE of the OS.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 04:32 4

27. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3618; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)


Lol +100000 dude

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 06:58 3

42. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


I wanted to respond that that post....didnt know what to say...thank you not letting me not have to...

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 04:07 3

22. Felix_Gatto (Posts: 573; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)


If you need an OS that as smooth as iOS but more versatile than WP, go for BB 10 OS.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 05:23 1

30. sip1995 (Posts: 945; Member since: 07 Feb 2014)


BB...really. ? I thought it was a dead OS.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 06:24 1

38. Felix_Gatto (Posts: 573; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)


Dead? No, it's just not popular. I don't care if it's popular or not, as long as it's smooth and have APK support.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 14:21 1

53. marbovo (Posts: 658; Member since: 16 May 2013)


You should care if it is popular, because if it is not, probably someday it is going to be retired...

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 02:37 4

12. N-fanboy (Posts: 538; Member since: 12 Jan 2013)


People don't buy sh!t coz its WP, people buy sh!t coz its Nokia!

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 06:07 1

36. Liveitup (Posts: 1581; Member since: 07 Jan 2014)


Ignorance, Nokia hardware can only carry you so far. Software is just important if not more important than the hardware to the overall user experience.

WP has the haters running scared so the come out in droves to bash the platform, I guess they are insecure with their platform of choice.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 09:53 1

47. PBXtech (Posts: 984; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)


Disagree. Without Nokia, MS would have killed WP by now. Even with Nokia, WP sales are barely increasing globally.

Name one phone running WP outside of Nokia that sells well.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 03:34 2

16. bogdan.cristea (Posts: 1; Member since: 18 Mar 2014)


Very interesting article. And an even more interesting representation of Romania's borders.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 12:26

51. ady_lad (Posts: 75; Member since: 17 Jul 2013)


What's wrong with them?

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 03:39

17. tenzin (Posts: 92; Member since: 20 Dec 2013)


Big victory in huge market,bravo ms!

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 03:40

18. tenzin (Posts: 92; Member since: 20 Dec 2013)


Romanian love Monsanto and gmo food?

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 03:43 2

19. athos07m (Posts: 22; Member since: 22 Apr 2012)


PA just merged Romania with Moldova. The EU should be wording their disagreeing letter to Romania as we speak :)

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 12:27

52. ady_lad (Posts: 75; Member since: 17 Jul 2013)


I think you should check a map, those are actually Romania's actual borders, nothing wrong there mate.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 03:44 5

20. tenzin (Posts: 92; Member since: 20 Dec 2013)


My colleague had Nokia 520 for a week then went back to android because of useless and boring os

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 06:13 2

37. Liveitup (Posts: 1581; Member since: 07 Jan 2014)


Here is the typical feedback from actual consumers, they are overwhelmingly positive.

http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-Lumia-520-GoPhone-AT/dp/B00E45043A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1395141165&sr=8-1&keywords=lumia+520

It's selling many millions of units, Its not like everyone loves Android or iOS for that matter, Lumia 520 is just about the best experience you can get on any smartphone at its pricepoint.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 04:06 2

21. danielvaida (Posts: 3; Member since: 18 Mar 2014)


PA just did it again. That map of Romania is from comunist period. Please change it.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 04:08

23. Felix_Gatto (Posts: 573; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)


Really? Oh yes l can see the red star in the picture.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 04:09 1

25. Felix_Gatto (Posts: 573; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)


Maxwell R. you need to change the picture.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 04:22

26. geordie8t1 (unregistered)


There is nothing wrong with the map,it's the colours/logo that are wrong???

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 05:15

29. danielvaida (Posts: 3; Member since: 18 Mar 2014)


the logo is from communist period. just do the map without the logo.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 04:51 4

28. KenAdams (Posts: 55; Member since: 17 Feb 2014)


Really not surprised to see haters and naysayers popping up on this article. Anyways good going Nokia & Microsoft! Waiting for the Lumia 930 :D

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 05:25 2

32. sip1995 (Posts: 945; Member since: 07 Feb 2014)


Me too, Nokia Lumia 930 will be awesome.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 05:23

31. Eonnaydra (Posts: 209; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)


PA should change that pic because it represents the commnunist period of Romania.Im romanian I can say that WP has big sales here,with the majority of them being 520.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 06:03

35. Cicero (Posts: 501; Member since: 22 Jan 2014)


That is not the flag of Romania. It is the old comunist flag from Ceausescu time. Good info inside.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 09:56 1

48. PBXtech (Posts: 984; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)


Let the pendulum continue to swing back to where it should be. Love him or hate him, Ballmer was right, the OG iPhone was overpriced. Unfortunately it sold extremely well and the sales justified the price and other OEMs followed the pattern. It's time for more affordable, yet still efficient and well built phones to become the new norm.

posted on 18 Mar 2014, 19:47

54. SemperFiV12 (Posts: 868; Member since: 09 Nov 2010)


What a great comment... The 520 may NOT be the end-all-be-all phone for a user (which user profiles vary GREATLY from different regions - people don't seem to understand that, especially in the US.)

Lumia 520 is an ENTRY level phone... People can use that if their prev phones were feature/no-data/simple/"dumb" phones.

But I especially love the "pendulum" reference, if the Lumia 520 causes for phones on the higher end to decrease in cost, and phones on the lower end to increase in productivity (software and hardware tied.)

Which all indications show IS HAPPENING. Winner = Consumer!

posted on 19 Mar 2014, 02:50

55. Leo_MC (Posts: 601; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)


Mobile carriers in Romania push prices over 40-50 euro mark for unlimited voice and text, plus some data which is way too much for average Joe's needs.
So, Joe looks at more affordable plans which come either with mid/low devices such as 520, Desire 500, the Mini, either prepay and buys a cheap phone for himself.
iPhones are expensive; 2 years on contract with 5s will cost you ~1,500 euro (2,200 dollars); free from contract is 650 euro (900 dollars). Vodafone is a little "thief": it charges 749 euro (1,050 dollars) for 5s.

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