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iOS 9 might be near-impossible to jailbreak

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iOS 9 might be near-impossible to jailbreak
Apple’s World Wide Developer Conference, WWDC, is next month, and since we expect it to remain the orchestrated and timely event that it is, we will most certainly see the introduction of the next generation of iOS, presumably to be called iOS 9.

For this new iteration of iOS, Apple is reportedly putting a much more comprehensive effort behind security for the mobile operating system (as well as for OS X).

Apple has never been a fan of the jailbreak community. Reports are surfacing that Cupertino is “particularly enthusiastic” with the progress it has made so far with a technology called Rootless. This feature is said to prevent any type of access to certain fail systems in an iPhone, iPad, or Mac (though on the Mac it can be disabled), even for administrators.

It has been vulnerabilities in iOS that have enabled the enthusiasts to exploit the platform and jailbreak their iPhones or iPads. Rootless apparently closes those doors completely.

You know how they say, “Never say never,” well we are not about to start saying impossible, but if these reports turn out to be true, it could mark the beginning of a tough road for jailbreakers. If Rootless is primed to make a debut at WWDC next month, it will be interesting to see how it is presented by Apple.

via: Redmond Pie

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posted on 23 May 2015, 03:58 13

1. sgodsell (Posts: 3224; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)


If your into jailbreaks. Then there are much better alternatives to iOS to get your hack on. Not to mention jailbreaks are still very limited and have lots of restrictions still.

posted on 23 May 2015, 05:25

22. gaming64 (unregistered)


There are more restrictions and limitations on iOS 7 and above than iOS 6 and below, which is why it is hard to make a decent jailbreaking tool. The only decent one I use is Pangu.

posted on 23 May 2015, 07:58 2

63. neela_akaash (Posts: 1112; Member since: 05 Aug 2014)


That's the only thing i like about iOS i.e. Zero tolerance on piracy and very good at security. But its sad to see that these security things are causing lots of limitiations in iOS. And these limitiations makes most of the people unhappy and dis-satisfaction just like me.

posted on 23 May 2015, 17:20

91. techperson211 (Posts: 1168; Member since: 27 Feb 2014)


Near to impossible but still possible. We all know how it turns out to the so called secured touch id. They need to learned from BB in terms of security.

posted on 23 May 2015, 11:03

81. waddup121 (unregistered)


Well, Justin bieber's lyrics may be coming true.

posted on 23 May 2015, 04:11 9

2. AlikMalix (Posts: 5053; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


Every single iteration of iOS was "close the loop on jailbreak" "will be impossible" etc. It's the same as "this year iPhone will flop" "no way Apple can sell more than before" etc.

At least this year it's "might be" "near-impossible" sounds like "still can be" jailbroken.

But, I digress, is there any point to jailbreak iPhones? All the popular jailbreaks are included in iOS now - widgets, keyboards, tweaks, Control Center, etc...

I always wanted to try it, but only on my old iPhones. But when it come to get a new one, my old one was still worth too much not to sell..

posted on 23 May 2015, 04:59 7

14. xperian (Posts: 289; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)


people jailbreak iphones for piracy

posted on 23 May 2015, 09:48 1

72. atlvideoguy (Posts: 62; Member since: 24 Feb 2012)


Not everyone jailbreaks for piracy. I jailbroke iPhones in the past to run intelliID which would tell you a name of whose calling you. Also used mywi when flying to share my purchased gogo internet with my laptop if I needed to view a document on my laptop. My3G allowed me to watch Amazon Instant Video over my cellular data, since there was a wifi requirement. all of the apps and services I paid for.

posted on 23 May 2015, 10:20 4

78. tedkord (Posts: 10231; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


That's not why they do it, though Apple would like everyone to believe that. They even tried to criminalize jailbreaking.

posted on 23 May 2015, 06:08 10

39. iOrwell (Posts: 3; Member since: 23 May 2015)


It's rather the reverse. Why should Apple artificially limit the consumers rights to acces their own devices.

Ask yourself what the point is to not have full root/admin access to a device you have payed lots of money for. I rather buy hardware that don't treat me as a child who needs supervision, guidance and control from the big brother Apple.

posted on 23 May 2015, 06:33 3

48. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 2700; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)


I do not know all the benefits of a jailbreak, but widgets on the homescreen is pretty cool. Also setting a different browser as default can be handy. But I'm sure there are tons of apps that are cool to have on a jailbroken iPhone. I am thinking of jailbreaking my business phone (which normally isn't allowed, but hey I'm the system admin anyway lol)

posted on 23 May 2015, 15:19

88. rihel_95 (Posts: 301; Member since: 21 Mar 2012)


You can install any paid games without any money (piracy) after jailbreaking. For ex, Android allows sideloading of apps (directly installing an app using its apk) so u can virtually get any paid app for free. But in iOS, its not possible without jailbreaking.

posted on 23 May 2015, 19:24

93. Hitokage (Posts: 103; Member since: 01 Mar 2015)


Eh, half true @android. Non rooted Androids TYPICALLY can't bypass license checks (there's a way to do it on rooted ones though). I think iOS can install a few apps outside of the appstore without jailbreak, I can't confirm this due to not owning an iOS device though. I want to say one of my friends did it on his iPad for emulators, not sure if he's jailbroken though

posted on 23 May 2015, 11:36 2

83. AppleCultist (banned) (Posts: 335; Member since: 18 Feb 2015)


I have to agree.

Apple is a rather incompetent company when it comes to doing anything hard and difficult like programming or engineering.

Didn't a former NSA employee mock Apple's crappy security recently?

posted on 23 May 2015, 04:13 25

3. Predator1701 (Posts: 108; Member since: 28 Oct 2014)


Why waste your time on ios, if you wan't more control go for android.

posted on 23 May 2015, 04:32 5

6. CAMBODIANPATRIOT (banned) (Posts: 226; Member since: 10 May 2015)


Sorry, I don't want bug, lag, malware and fragmentation from Android ;)

posted on 23 May 2015, 04:41 45

8. bendgate (unregistered)


Of course you do. Your brain has more bug, lag, malware and fragmentation than anything in the world. Why would you want more?

posted on 23 May 2015, 05:29 4

24. zacsaturday (Posts: 202; Member since: 09 May 2014)


ohhh.. shots fired

posted on 23 May 2015, 06:29 2

47. CAMBODIANPATRIOT (banned) (Posts: 226; Member since: 10 May 2015)


Ouch! that hurts. ;)

posted on 23 May 2015, 10:21 9

79. tedkord (Posts: 10231; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Now, now. It's not nice to make fun of the mentally handicapped.

posted on 23 May 2015, 05:36 7

29. Ordinary (Posts: 2177; Member since: 23 Apr 2015)


http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/014/969/d9q75iv.gif

posted on 23 May 2015, 18:06

92. DannyApplesux (Posts: 2; Member since: 23 May 2015)


Try these steps if you have an unresponsive app on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch.

Restart the app.

Close the app and open it again.

Restart your device.

Turn your device off and back on.

Check for iOS and app updates. Make sure that you're using latest version of iOS. Open the App Store and tap Updates. If updates are available, tap Update All. If asked, enter your Apple ID password. 

If none of these troubleshooting steps solve your problem, try clicking your heels together 3 times and repeating the phrase "It just works."

posted on 23 May 2015, 04:57 9

13. AlikMalix (Posts: 5053; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


Control over what exactly? Fonts and icons...? If I had android on my phone, I'd desperately try to make it look as clean, as animated, as blurred, as sharp as iOS7/8.

First thing I'd do is get rid of bloatware --- oops cant do that.
So, first thing I'd do is modify all my apps permissions --- oops cant do that either.
So, first thing I'd do is set up my phone to suspend unused apps in background to make sure it doesnt die if I left it with 20% battery overnight --- oops Greenify is only for Rooted Android, cant do that.
Ok, ok, first thing I'd do is use my phone to track my kid, you know a parent thing to do... --- oops no Find My Friends alternative like iOS.
Ok, forget it at least my new Android phone has Lollipop 5.0, and those memory leaks gone as soon as I update to 5.1.1 --- oh wait...

Yeah, you got control... sure buddy...

I have control, I also have control over which apps (even native) appear on my daughters iPad, I control what she sees, and what she doesnt - from my phone. I control my house, my car, my business, my bank, and I have an assistant pre-installed to help me with everything on my phone...

posted on 23 May 2015, 05:11 16

16. Ordinary (Posts: 2177; Member since: 23 Apr 2015)


You can get rid of bloatware by just disabling them
You dont need Greenify for that, there is a option in Developer settings (Dont keep activities and Background process limit so check that before saying something)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fsp.android.friendlocator&hl=hr

Memory leaks are only on Nexus devices, others use different image format

Multi-user is available since 4.3 android

posted on 23 May 2015, 05:15 18

19. LetsBeHonest (Posts: 1344; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)


What a jail broken iPhone can be done with an unrooted Android phone and much more with rooted Android phone.
And you can make Android looks simple if you wanted. Android is the best of you want to customize your phone. Android is the windows PC in the mobile world. There is some features which iPhone has exclusively but Android has more in my opinion.
Android users want customization, awesome multitasking, an open ecosystem( in short a mini PC) etc etc
Apple users want a closed ecosystem with all Apple service united. A simpler consistent UI etc etc
Both has their own advantages and disadvantages.
But I agree to the original comment more freedom = Android because it is more open source then Apple's OS. Its a fact, open source give more freedom.

posted on 23 May 2015, 05:17 6

20. AlikMalix (Posts: 5053; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


... wait I'm not done!

I have control on what apps are allowed and not allowed to do on my phone, to my facebook account, to my cloud, to my photos (on device and PC)...

I have control over which servises I want to use: Google's or Apple's.

I have control over which language I want everything to be, including Siri, listening and reply, dictation, and reading...

I have control on every tracking capablity on my phone, wheather it's for notifications, location based reminders, location based apps, maps, location based photos/media. I have control over what Siri, keyboard, and maps should know, learn, and access within various stages of security.

I'm sure some of these things you may have control of too, but dont say iOS users have no control... I always say, some people buy devices based on what they put in it, some buy based on what they get out of it. I like iOS. I get it, Android has their own tricks... But just because most people use iOS for its simplicity - does not mean that there's nothing beyond it's surface - iOS goes deep, if you're into that sort of thing.

Recently I discovered that Siri has a dipository for information just like Cortana (and it was there all along). Adding custom fields under contacts, including your own allows Siri to know everything about you, where you go to shop, fun, etc., your business info, private info, you name it. Apple does not venture deep into every feature - to present iOS as a simple, friendly UI... and that's why all people buy it with confidence...

posted on 23 May 2015, 05:32 9

26. Ordinary (Posts: 2177; Member since: 23 Apr 2015)


I can say without making a long text Google Now is the king here just by using Google search engine and learns faster than any other voice-search engine since more people are using it.

Sure iOS can go deep in customization but Android is simply much better in that.

posted on 23 May 2015, 05:36 3

30. LetsBeHonest (Posts: 1344; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)


I'm sure By control he meant deep control on software. What you mentioned is basic control all most all OSs have. You cannot control permissions of each and every apps of your phone. Like denying access of an app to not read your contact etc. I know some of these controls/functions are irrelevant to you and that may be the reason you prefer iOS but still there are people who wants these kind of control.
IPhone have some control but Android has more. This is coming from a user of neither of these OSs but WP.

posted on 23 May 2015, 06:17 4

43. vincelongman (Posts: 4102; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


If you really want to control app permissions there's a very simple solution
Download App Opps of the PlayStore
Doen't need root, or any flashing of zips, or hacking, ...
As simple as install a game or app
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.findsdk.apppermission

posted on 23 May 2015, 06:55 1

57. AlikMalix (Posts: 5053; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


So in order to have said control on android - specifically app permissions including gps tracking and contacts info or photos - I must now trust some developer in who knows what third world country? No thanks. While we're on topic - why did Google remove that ability from android (I heard you guys had a limited control in the past...?

posted on 23 May 2015, 05:29 12

23. vincelongman (Posts: 4102; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Bloatware
-iPhones have as much bloatware as Nexus devices
-Bloatware can be disabled (no root needed)
-Bloatware can be removed (root needed)
Apps permissions
-Download App Opps (needs root)
Background apps
-Just disable apps from running in background (no need root)
-Or use Battery Saver (no need root)
-Or just uninstall or disable them (no need root)
-Or use Greenify (no need root)
Find My Friends to stalk my son
-If I really wanted that I could use Android Device Manager for that
Lollipop's memory leaks
-Is basically already fixed in 5.1
-Probably completely fixed in 5.1.1, time will tell

No offence, but I'm extremely happy I'm not your son/daughter
You seem like a control freak, especially for stalking your son

posted on 23 May 2015, 05:41

32. AlikMalix (Posts: 5053; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


Last time I checked there's hell of a bloat on Samsung phone which is the closest to iOS options. I haven't seen one android phone get 5.1.1 and most don't have 5.1 that are on lollipop - but moats phones aren't even on kitkat, but jb (which is another Problem.

There's absolutely no bloat on iOS. But I can disable apps too the native ones with restrictions menu and accessibility menu. Background tasks - so on some androids you can disable that - with iOS there's plenty of background tasks all the time, but it's smart - it knows what to suspend and what to allow - and does not require constant intervention just to manage resources.

posted on 23 May 2015, 05:46 7

34. Ordinary (Posts: 2177; Member since: 23 Apr 2015)


Since 2.3 android version you had Development (now called Developer options) tab for disabling background tasks

posted on 23 May 2015, 06:14 5

42. vincelongman (Posts: 4102; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


It depends how you define bloatware, most people consider bloatware to be apps that you don't use
In that case iOS does have bloatware (just like stock Android)
E.g. Apple Watch, iMovie, GarageBand, Keynote, Pages, Numbers, iTunes U, iTunes Radio, Podcasts, Tips, iBooks, Health, iTunes store, Newsstand, Photo Booth, ... (credit to #36 from Ordinary, I added some more)

All the recent Nexus devices have 5.1.1
If you want quick updates get a Nexus or uses custom roms

Just over 50% of (1.3-1.7 billion) Android users have KitKat or Lollipop
Again, if you want quick updates get a Nexus, but most users don't even care since there's custom roms

Android is also smart with background tasks
You can take control if you want to "maximise" battery life (same as iOS)
But there's no need (same as iOS)

posted on 23 May 2015, 06:34 1

50. AlikMalix (Posts: 5053; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


Thanks Vince - I like your posts.

But most of the apps you mentioned above don't come preinstalled on iOS - they're Apple apps you can go to App Store and install (not even a link or trial version on iOS. The ones ordinary mentioned I can disable two of them the rest I use but can be organozed all in one separate folder without getting in a way without getting mixed up in apps you do use like it's in that "All apps folder" you have on android (how do I get rid of all those apps - it's a mess). And ask any android user - these hidden/unused apps do end up running in the background without your intervention - how do u stop that?

posted on 23 May 2015, 07:07 1

60. vincelongman (Posts: 4102; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


I believe those iLife and iWorks apps come preinstalled on 64GB/128GB devices (or maybe only 64GB/128GB iPhone 6/6+)

Android apps usualy don't cause issues with background usage, unless very poorly written
I don't have any issues with apps background
There have been a few apps that have caused issues in the past
But I just uninstall them

There's plenty of ways to limit background apps
e.g. in the Settings (have to enable dev settings, just tap the build number several times)
https://i.imgur.com/c7vaZZL.png
Or use a third party app
e.g. Greenify (no root needed) or Servicely (needs root)

posted on 23 May 2015, 16:02

90. ecmedic4 (Posts: 324; Member since: 02 May 2013)


The iLife and iWorks apps do come pre-installed but they are easily removed if a person doesn't want them. They can be deleted from the phone and downloaded again from the App Store if a person wants. I don't consider iBooks, iTunes store, Health App, to be bloat. Especially the iTunes store, considering that is where you get music, movies, ringtones, alert tones, etc.

posted on 23 May 2015, 08:32

65. Awalker (Posts: 1394; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)


I look at updates differently. Take for example Android 5.1. It's pretty much only available for Nexus devices and those who want it have it. Essentially, close to 100% of devices that Android 5.1 is available for have it installed. There is no Touchwiz version of Android 5.1 available yet so it makes absolutely no sense talking about it not being installed on a Samsung device.

posted on 23 May 2015, 05:42 5

33. singhkaran9830 (unregistered)


App Opps doesn't requires root.

posted on 23 May 2015, 05:58

37. vincelongman (Posts: 4102; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Oh that's right, my bad, even better :)

posted on 23 May 2015, 05:41 6

31. singhkaran9830 (unregistered)


Do you even know anything about an open source project!!
Sure changing icons and fonts would be a huge leap in mobile industry to an Apple user but in android there's much more to do.

"First thing I'd do is get rid of bloatware" Root your device and you can.
Even on iOS you need to jailbreak to remove bloatware like apple watch app etc.
OOPS! OOPS! OOPS! OOPS! OOPS! OOPS! .......

With android you can:
USE BLUETOOTH!want to take a pdf from a friend instantly?get it via BLUETOOTH!
Want to take movies and songs from another PC to yours?Copy in your Android device,paste it back in your PC.No need of iTunes and authorization of device via apple ID.
Transfer files between several computers,no authorization limit of max 5 PC.

After root you can:Change ROM,Custom Kernel,Modify System UI,Apply overlays,change boot animation,modify a stock app(decompile>edit>recompile)etc. etc. etc.

Atleast we don't have to deal with lag while typing,iOS 8's vulnerability which puts iDevices into reboot or black screen,FC of apps etc.iOS8 was even a bigger disaster in bugs in comparison to lollipop.

posted on 23 May 2015, 05:50

35. AlikMalix (Posts: 5053; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


There no bloat in iOS. Apple watch app is an App Store app for Apple watch.

You don't need iTunes to move media or photos to PC and back, you don't even need wires/USB.

IOS 8 is not leggy, or unstable I have iPad 3, iPhone 5 and iPhone 5s - all run smooth and don't crash.

What is authorization of device via Apple ID?

But 90% of fixes you mentioned requires root - well Sherlock jailbreak an iPhone and u got a hell of a PC.

Let's just agree that we both like our chosen platform and stop with this "iOS limited" BS. Ok buddy?

PS. I don't think you understand what "open source" really means.

posted on 23 May 2015, 05:57 5

36. Ordinary (Posts: 2177; Member since: 23 Apr 2015)


Podcasts, Tips, iBooks, Health, iTunes store, Newsstand, Photo Booth are just some of bloat apps

posted on 23 May 2015, 06:18 1

44. AlikMalix (Posts: 5053; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


Those are Apple services - Apple apps. Bloatware is something that's not googles or samsungs like yahoo weather app, game scores app, preinstalled demos of games/apps/services. Carrier apps, redundant texting apps, redundant browsers, redundant app stores, redundant notes app, and trial software. All that is bloatware - they're apps that developers (not Google or oem) paid to add on your phone to keep the price of your phone down (including that Verizon logo on back or front of your phone). Bro, your android phone is an ad delivery vehicle to place products "you might be interested in" disguised as a mobile operating system - that's what Google does! It's not a bad platform - but it has primary objective and that's why android is Freeware - not something you buy to own.

My iPhone manufacturer builds its own OS and does not rely on third parties to sustain it like anti- virus/ malware programs, oem tweaks, and bloatware subsidiary. It is also tailored for my device specifically and not "one size fits all" product. And just in case my manufacturer provides a real person Face to face assistance with my devices or software.

posted on 23 May 2015, 06:34 4

49. Dattack (Posts: 61; Member since: 09 Jan 2013)


That's defenitely not the definition of bloatware. "Bloatware or fatware is a term used for software that has lots of redundant functionality and / or taking an unnecessary amount of disk space."

So yes, even iOS has bloatware. Even a nexus device has bloatware, even though there's only Google apps on it. f**king fanboy, you don't know s**t about Android or some terms in general, yet you're in the hate mode.

Fanboy, that's all I can say. Lol by the way, how can you even be happy with how iOS deals with background stuff. Have fun playing a game or browsing, then go to your homescreen and open 6 more apps and go back to your game. Enjoy your reload. How iOS deals with that is honestly a joke, I seriously hate that so much on my iPad. See, I also own an Apple product. Surprise!

posted on 23 May 2015, 06:37

52. AlikMalix (Posts: 5053; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


Sorry to piss you off with my knowledge of iOS.

posted on 23 May 2015, 06:49 1

55. AlikMalix (Posts: 5053; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


Than why is there a 20 page article dis robing all the BLOAT on the new s6?

http://m.blog.laptopmag.com/galaxy-s6-bloatware-list

posted on 23 May 2015, 12:40 2

86. tedkord (Posts: 10231; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


That's your argument? Because a Samsung phone has bloatware, that means IOS doesn't. IOS has bloatware, and you're stuck with it.

posted on 23 May 2015, 10:21 2

80. neela_akaash (Posts: 1112; Member since: 05 Aug 2014)


Xiaomi devices has zero bloatwares..

posted on 23 May 2015, 06:37 5

51. Ordinary (Posts: 2177; Member since: 23 Apr 2015)


You can remove carries apps and any games you get even though I am yet to see some games on stock android. You only get Google apps which by your standard are services and not bloatware but okay. Last time I checked I own Android and can do whatever I want contradictory to iOS and thats why its Open Source vs Close Source.

posted on 23 May 2015, 06:40

53. AlikMalix (Posts: 5053; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


http://www.smart-root.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Droid4BloatwareHighlighted.jpg

posted on 23 May 2015, 06:48 5

54. Ordinary (Posts: 2177; Member since: 23 Apr 2015)


And again you can disable/delete all of those with ease while on iPhone you cant unless you Jailbreak which is btw 10x harder than Root

posted on 23 May 2015, 06:52

56. AlikMalix (Posts: 5053; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


You cannot DELETE bloatware - you can hide, manage, disable, limit - but not delete.

I can do the same on iOS. I can remove even the stock call and texting app if I want on iOS. But either it's there or not - I NEVER have to worry about it doing anything in background without my permission - on to of that I can control what any app including stock apps can do or not allowed to do.

posted on 23 May 2015, 07:02 5

59. Ordinary (Posts: 2177; Member since: 23 Apr 2015)


Some of them you can delete some not. Those that cant be deleted can be disable and reinstall all updates and clear data of the apps which gives you much more space.

posted on 23 May 2015, 11:41 2

84. tedkord (Posts: 10231; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Your can't disable bloat on IOS. You can hide the icon.

posted on 23 May 2015, 10:08 3

75. tedkord (Posts: 10231; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


If it's an app you didn't install and you don't use, it is bloatware.

posted on 23 May 2015, 06:11 4

40. iOrwell (Posts: 3; Member since: 23 May 2015)


No way.

Apple has control over 100% what you are allowed to put on your phone. It conrtrols all data and all backdoors on Your phone. When you use a iPhone daily Your are owned by Apple. Thats the sad fact.

posted on 23 May 2015, 06:26 3

46. AlikMalix (Posts: 5053; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


Is that why Google removed the limited app permissions control, or os it the bloat you CANNOT remove, or the carriers logo tattooed on the back of "your" phone?

Or is that why I can choose/have googles services or apples or Msofts, or BBs.

Or is it the ability to remove core native Apple apps without jailbreak?

Apple does what I need them to do: maintain the ecosystem, control the App Store so that we don't get the 7fake BBM apps that are just malware before BB released their official one, and provide me with updates for as long as I own the phone.

posted on 23 May 2015, 07:00 1

58. AlikMalix (Posts: 5053; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)


Ok guys, I gotta go to sleep.. It was fun - except for whoever stated cussing at me - you need to grow up. I like iOS - it's not perfect, but it's better than android because it has more features and tweaks that I need and android has more of what I rather not have. It's just me - don't get angry. Good night.

posted on 23 May 2015, 10:10 2

76. tedkord (Posts: 10231; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


And I like Android because it has more features and is customizable and IOS is more locked down. It's just me.

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