iOS 7 kneejerk review: adopting the best of the competition, and that's okay
0. phoneArena 10 Jun 2013, 16:15 posted on
Let's get one thing out of the way right off the bat: we absolutely love the look of iOS 7. It may just be that iOS finally looks markedly different from how it has been for the past 5 years, it may be that Apple has finally left behind the hideous skeuomorphism techniques, or it may just be that it reminds us of a mashup between Windows Phone and Google Now. Whatever the reason, we think Apple has done a solid great job of adopting the best of the competition to make something decidedly Apple...
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17. huzle19 (Posts: 11; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
F outta here bro. everything in phone history was copied from the first iphone, they only took back what they borrowed. phone tech would hv been dumb if not for apple. All other companies grew from apple. no apple no android.
18. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Oh please. The first iPhone was a mashup of smartphones of the day (Windows Mobile/BlackBerry) and the various PDAs that existed (mostly Windows CE). As stated, everything is built on what came before, including the iPhone.
65. flamencoguy (Posts: 107; Member since: 04 Aug 2012)
The IBM Simon is credited to be the first smartphone.
Sure it was bulky. Motorola invented the first cellular or mobile phone. PDAs like the Palm Pilot / Dell Axim were also incremental improvements or advances over Organizers that stored contacts, calendar, notes and other functions. Everything is based on one of these inventions. It is now just a computer in a small package.
39. g35_htown (Posts: 6; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
wow! ignorance is bliss.... smh, sure hope that was sarcasm
42. HASHTAG (unregistered)
Wow, huzle19. Clearly, you don't know anything about the history of phones.
137. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
I agree...this is a pointless argument. Who made the first TV? Who made the first hoover? If we were only ever allowed to buy these products from the original designer, the world would be a very boring place and a very expensive one. If you raise a patent on a new design, you only get exclusivity on that design for a set period, so what does it matter who did what when? At the end of the day, all this does is make all of the various OS more compelling and give better features across all platforms. What is so bad about that? I just wish that BB10 could be more successful, because I think that this also has some excellent features.
73. darkkjedii (Posts: 14408; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
In regards to #12. You sir just got owned.
6. ama3654 (Posts: 256; Member since: 27 Nov 2012)
"AirDrop overall looks to be a pretty interesting new feature for iOS 7, because it has taken the problem of sharing easily with those near you and removed the need to physically bump phones together, as with the NFC equipped Androids like the newer Samsung Galaxy devices"
Its called GROUP PLAY on the Samsung devices!, bumping is just another option, and Group play goes further to allow gaming, music, documents and of course pictures. Get the facts right please.
9. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Sorry, forgot about that. I've added it into the article. Thanks!
102. pixelado (Posts: 130; Member since: 16 Feb 2013)
Oh, right, and there's never been such thing as Bluetooth file transfers either, right?
Apple is so revolutionary, and PhoneArena is so unbiased!
11. tedkord (Posts: 6440; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Michael, I agree there is nothing wrong with Apple "borrowing" from Android or WP. But it is hypocritical of them to do so considering their attitude to others borrowing from them.
Best quote today: iOS got TouchWIZzed.
13. SleepingOz (unregistered)
Micheal, what kind of multitasking is ios7 using?
14. Cha7520 (Posts: 221; Member since: 31 Oct 2010)
Innovation my ass! Copy cats! What a joke!
16. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Can you name a company that has never "copied" features from others?
46. flamencoguy (Posts: 107; Member since: 04 Aug 2012)
Does it matter? Apple says other companies copy and sues. "slide to unlock", "scroll bounce" or "pinch to zoom" ! They claim that they innovate.
48. Ruisleipä (Posts: 31; Member since: 06 Apr 2013)
Micheal H ,Why are you defending a multi billion dollar Company?
The reason they copy these features is so more people will buy their phone and so they can make more money. (Yes, no s**t sherlock, every company does this)
Personally i think its unethical cherry picking from others work
Seriously man, get a grip!
54. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
"Cherry picking from others" is how everything gets created. That's why we have the word "inspired" All of the music you love, the movies, the TV, the books, and even the devices and software you love have all been inspired by something. Calling it "cherry picking" is just silly and ignores reality.
126. rocketlog (Posts: 26; Member since: 31 Jan 2012)
I guess what's grinding everyone's gears is how Apple has strongly "discouraged" "cherry-picking" of even the smallest and most useless things from their own ideas. Like the rounded corners. Compared to what it's copying now, those rounded corners seem like a grain of sand.
128. Ruisleipä (Posts: 31; Member since: 06 Apr 2013)
I agree that the so-called "Cherry picking" is the key to evolution, and everything great, but i don't know why you Think it ignores reality.
Everyone does this , but apple in particular seems to do this way to often and when someone copy from them its the end of the world.
I've made my Point, but you still didn't answer my question, why are you defending apple?
Regards , Ruisleipä
20. Android4u (Posts: 456; Member since: 16 Aug 2012)
Mr. Heller please give it up ....you seem pretty defensive today..... I bet your the one who took away the red thumb cause you knew people would down thumb the hell out of you.
27. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Oh wow, I was wondering about that. I didn't even realize the red thumb was gone until now, I just thought people were being oddly nice for once. That's awesome!
37. Android4u (Posts: 456; Member since: 16 Aug 2012)
Sir, you work for PA I seriously doubt you didn't know about the red thumbs ..or you just being a smarta$$?
55. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Not being a smartass. They didn't send around a memo or anything, so I genuinely didn't know it was gone until now. I'm happy to see it go though. It was a nuisance.
104. pixelado (Posts: 130; Member since: 16 Feb 2013)
well, I certainly am not. Keeping people from expressing themselves, be it in a positive or negative way, is like "ignoring reality" to me.
Too much offtopic for now.
113. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Have you seen the comments here? Not having a thumbs down doesn't stop people from expressing themselves at all
119. pixelado (Posts: 130; Member since: 16 Feb 2013)
Yeah, instead of thumbing down, we get more comments that before. If that was the original goal, well, it worked wonders.
Could "thumb ups" be removed too? I mean, people can and do abuse those too.
22. belovedson (Posts: 832; Member since: 30 Nov 2010)
your article has strong implications to not thrash apple, but how do you promote this when apple has a history of being a jerkface of a company
for example apple creates something new or thinks of something new or improves on an already established idea and copyrights or patents the idea before others. they go after companies that copy or manipulate or improve on something they copied and apple sues them? samsung is a perfect example
yet when apple copies from other os's you want us to remain silent. i want to curse you out dude. seriously how do you even justify your article.
the people who actually read the article from this site and other similar tech site knows that apple steals and often tries to cripple other manufacturers, os, up and coming tech companies, and even cripples service providers.
worst of all the money they earn from americans they put that money into their pockets and have no serious implications of helping our struggling economy.
apple represents an icon, a re-representation of what capitalism really is: greed.
so please don't bother telling us or suggesting or bold font what you think is important. we live in a somewhat free country and
we will continue to bash apple and its products. its really that simple
28. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
My article has implications that you should direct your anger where appropriate. If your issue is lawsuits, and bullying by Apple, then bring it up when that happens, because I'll be sure to join you at that time.
Since that hasn't happened with anything included in this article, how about we talk about the iOS 7 update, the announcements made today, and what it means for iOS users?
103. belovedson (Posts: 832; Member since: 30 Nov 2010)
there's really not much to mention about ios7 other than its a direct rip from other os's. im glad they are ripping off other os because ios 6 and below sucked especially for power users like myself..
instead of basing if anything apple should be touting how the great other os as a cleaner, better, and etc. they should applaud google and others for not copywriting or patenting new innovation.
if we were not in the know we could praise apple for telling the truth. but just about any user writing on these forums and google and windows users can clearly see a direct ripoff. worse yet apple will not be getting sued for their blatant acts.
107. joey_sfb (Posts: 3936; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Actually Samsung and Google should sue then use it as a bargaining chips for Apple to quit their litigating practise.
29. parkwaydr (Posts: 572; Member since: 07 Sep 2011)
So everyone else is stealing. But when apple does it, theyre just "borrowing" and its just a mashup?
Apparently my grandpappy was the only person that preached that "borrowing" without permission, is still stealing.
32. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
This was literally the first comment on the article and I've already responded if you want to read above.
30. flamencoguy (Posts: 107; Member since: 04 Aug 2012)
"nothing is original". Well tell that to Apple. They have already shown me their soul. And I could care less what they do. Looks ugly if you ask me. Colors look faded/washed out. It's different. But not original. Perhaps they need to visit Xerox to get some inspiration.
31. rawbow (Posts: 428; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
I'll tell you a company that didn't copy.. The one product on ebay.. lol.. I think it was a $69 ball scratcher.. rofl.. Jokes apart.. What apple did is pretty neat.. Gotta give it to them to "steal" while portraying being on the high road.. Looks to me like a gingerbread with a launcher skin.. Please stop this nonsense.. We get it.. You 69 apple but I love this site and Key lime pie is the next gen mobile computing
82. rawbow (Posts: 428; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
and i find it pretty humble of you to reply to every post. I retract my jibe and peace to you \m/
96. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
As I've always said, defending my POV in the comments helps make me a better writer, because it often forces me to explain things in a way I hadn't had to before.
33. ibap (Posts: 719; Member since: 09 Sep 2009)
The most accurate part of this review is the use of the term "jerk" in the title. To repeat what is altogether obvious and has already been said, when others do it, it is stealing but when Apple does it, it is OK because it is borrowing? And then they try to sue everyone else into oblivion? What would have happened if Ford had patented 4 wheels, would we all be in trikes? Oh wait, you say, there were already 4-wheeled wagons? Exactly my point.
No matter what you do, if you then claim you are the only innovative company out there, you are lying to your customers, and you're lying to yourself if you believe your own hype.
35. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
As you say, you are repeating what others have said, so I won't repeat my response, you can read above.
36. bachir8k (Posts: 117; Member since: 25 Feb 2013)
What are you trying to convince us Michael??? That it's OK to borrow/inspire from others and improve it? We all know that, and we all want that, as this is the only way to boost development and creativity, but unfortunately Apple doesn't understand that, yes they pushed the technology of smartphones several steps ahead, but that's it, they don't want anyone else to go further, and that by suing others and patenting everything, and they already made lot of damages to too many small-mid range companies around the world, and now you are telling us it's OK, don't attack Apple because their new IOS is an "improved" copy of Android, WP, BB, Ubuntu and others?
Sorry mate, but I have to disagree with you, Apple will get lot of criticizes for their new "innovation" and it's time for everyone else to laugh hard at them :D
And BTW, I am both a graphic and web designer with 12 years of experience, and in my opinion the new UI is ugly, we were providing lot of arts using these techniques and in a better way since late 2010 and I am sure many designers will agree with me.
PS: Have you watched the IOS 7 promo video? By listening to Jony Ive, I feel my self I am listening to God himself by the way he is introducing the product, I was almost going to cry by listening to him as if Apple just launched a new holy book to save humanity.
60. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Wait a tick... "We all know that, and we all want that"? That's exactly the issue, because I don't believe that's true. People seem to honestly believe that creating something new while ignoring everything else in the world is possible. That's why we see the same arguments about "stealing" when Android shows off new features, or Windows Phone.
I fully understand having issues with Apple as far as lawsuits and bullying. I'm just saying that those arguments have no place right here, right now. If Apple starts suing over iOS 7 features, then we can have that discussion then.
Who cares about the promo video? As stated in the article, do you really expect Apple (or any company) to come out during a keynote and say, "This probably isn't as good as it could have been, and we had to look around at the competition for inspiration, but we hope you like it anyway." That's absurd. Marketing and promo (which is a huge part of what a keynote is) is all about hiding the truth while making your product sound amazing.
Also, you being a designer doesn't much matter either. As a writer, I can say all I want about not liking a certain writer because of some technical issues, but that wouldn't matter either. Design, like writing style, is just as much opinion as technique. You are welcome to your opinion that iOS 7 doesn't look good, but I don't agree, and we're best to just leave it at that.
66. Fluxman (Posts: 51; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
I'm not really sure how you can bring this up without talking about Apple's lawsuits. Sure, nothing has been claimed from iOS7 (and don't expect there to be anything as Google has claimed they will only be defensive with their patents).
That being said, the past lawsuits paint a picture of Apple as defending their innovations from other Android OEMs that they claimed "stole" from them. I have no problem, and in fact welcome the borrowing as it creates a pretty awesomely competitive market. However, to cry foul over the infringements in the past and they to commit them yourself while bragging about them isn't right. What I would like to see would be for apple to admit they use other peoples' ideas and to drop all lawsuits that pertain to the same things.
Let competition sort it out...
99. fanboy1974 (Posts: 1313; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)
I agree and said the same thing below. Time to drop the lawsuits if your going to copy ideas. Or man up and just fork a Android release and incorporate your own App store. I would have respected Apple more if they went that route.
100. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
It's quite easy: if the news has nothing to do with the lawsuits, don't talk about it. We're not talking about Samsung, we're not talking about lawsuits at all. This is just a product announcement, pure and simple. It may change in the future, but for right now, it doesn't matter.
105. fanboy1974 (Posts: 1313; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)
It has everything to do with lawsuits. How can you turn a blind eye? When Samsung lost last year I was like OK; lick your wounds and come out fighting and Samsung has done that with original software features and various hardware choices . Apple has basically stole ideas for iOS 7 while activity engaged in patent lawsuits with new hardware few and far between. And to add insult to injury they forced poor HTC to settle or face the same wrath Samsung is going through. Apple dug this hole; not us.
108. pixelado (Posts: 130; Member since: 16 Feb 2013)
"If Apple starts suing over iOS 7 features, then we can have that discussion then."
wait a tick... we're going through this ever since iPhone OS v1 came out, and it doesn't seem to be stopping anytime soon. Just wait and see.
Guess we're all forbidden to talk about it till it actually happens, right?
43. Stuntman (Posts: 826; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)
I feel that an article like this is long overdue. This article (or something similar) should have been published when Apple was suing Samsung for copying Apple. That was a really high profile case that was known by the general public whether they are fans of Apple or Samsung or indifferent.
People who are familiar with Android have been saying with every iteration of iOS that Apple copied this and that from Android. I think it is mostly Android users who see this with many iOS users see many of the new features and unfamiliar with whether or not they have been in Android or some other OS. The timing of this article and the angle is going to rile Android fans. I'm sure many will see this article as defending Apple.
Perhaps there is never a neutral time to publish such an article about innovative features "inspired" by the competition. It needs to be published when new features of technology are announced and such an article will always be perceived as defending the company that just made the announcement.
47. Hallucinator (Posts: 344; Member since: 24 May 2010)
You Android folk always accused Iphone users of being Arrogant or Ignorant, yet the majority of your post here are either Arrogant or Ignorant. Kind of funny how things work out.
110. pixelado (Posts: 130; Member since: 16 Feb 2013)
"You Android folk always accused Iphone users of being Arrogant or Ignorant"
But a lot of them are! remember when Instagram stopped being a "VIP" iOS exclusive? Remember how most iOS users received the news on social networks? Yeah, I sure do.
BTW I'm not defending Android/WP/BB/*insert platform here* users either. There will always be idiots on either side of the fence.
50. flamencoguy (Posts: 107; Member since: 04 Aug 2012)
Did Tim Cook not say that Android should invent their own stuff when they were suing Samsung? And to stop using Apple's innovation. I think people are just seeing the hypocracy of Apple if they even use one idea from others.
56. flamencoguy (Posts: 107; Member since: 04 Aug 2012)
They are supposed to be such an innovative company aren't they? They don't need any one else to inspire them! They are supposed to be a company of such high creativity that they can do everything in isolation from the rest of the world and come up with great designs I thought. Or fans thought? They can do no wrong and often perform magic is how people see them. Now we are seeing they are after all just very ordinary "borrowing" ideas. If you put yourself on a pedestal then people will expect great things.
57. eman99 (Posts: 263; Member since: 03 Aug 2010)
Nothing exciting here same old same old apple
59. FlushGordon (unregistered)
Apple has all the right to sue...the competition doesn't
61. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Actually, nobody should have the right to sue, because none of this stuff should be able to be patented.
111. pixelado (Posts: 130; Member since: 16 Feb 2013)
The way of unlocking a phone comes to mind.
64. jan25 (Posts: 435; Member since: 26 Feb 2012)
Apple stunned me today, i didn't buy into "biggest change" until i actually saw it. i like what Ivy has done with the interface although i am not much of a fan of the colors he chose for the icons. he could've refrained from the florescent colors, too childish or rather girly. quick toggles and "multi-tasking" were on the top of my list and Apple delivered. the browser's new UI looks promising too. i guess i will be holding on to my Iphone 5.
i guess now i can say Apple caught up with the competition. Google may have something else to say with KLP.. all is good for the competition. i prefer Android though despite all my praises for Apple.
95. willard12 (Posts: 1076; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
Apple can't wait for KLP either. How else will they know what to put in iOS 10?