iOS 7 kneejerk review: adopting the best of the competition, and that's okay
0. phoneArena 10 Jun 2013, 16:15 posted on
Let's get one thing out of the way right off the bat: we absolutely love the look of iOS 7. It may just be that iOS finally looks markedly different from how it has been for the past 5 years, it may be that Apple has finally left behind the hideous skeuomorphism techniques, or it may just be that it reminds us of a mashup between Windows Phone and Google Now. Whatever the reason, we think Apple has done a solid great job of adopting the best of the competition to make something decidedly Apple...
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1. _Bone_ (Posts: 2145; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
It's only stealing when others do it, Apple is "borrowing" ideas?
2. AnTuTu (Posts: 1016; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)
They wait and watch what other giants bring to the market. And then after couple of years they merge all those features together and say "Innovation".
What a shame.....
45. Hallucinator (Posts: 344; Member since: 24 May 2010)
Kind of like Android did with The iPhone?
81. AnTuTu (Posts: 1016; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)
I won't ignore this as I always tell the truth and due to that I own your a$$ in every article. Grow up
84. bucky (Posts: 1630; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
Actually to be dead honest, you really don't.
85. AnTuTu (Posts: 1016; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)
Actually to be dead honest I wasn't talking to you dude and I just saw you first time around.
112. pixelado (Posts: 130; Member since: 16 Feb 2013)
Wow, you must think you totally owned him, right?
So, tell me, do you really think Android was "inspired" solely and entirely by iOS? Early Android versions looked more like and improved mix of Windows Mobile 6.5 and Symbian if you ask me.
Guess this won't matter to you, but that's fine.
139. techaman (unregistered)
android did none of that the guys wanted a os to go on top of any system use whats there to make it better and faster, iphone copied all other phones and tweeked a few things and gave it a metal back and said owwww wow look at this.
7. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
It's almost never stealing, no matter who does it, as long as it is incorporated into the platform ethos and made a natural part of the experience. It doesn't matter where the idea comes from. I know I'm personally very happy that Android is taking heavily from webOS, because it's making my daily experience better.
As stated above, Apple claiming that features are original when they aren't is the real issue, but that doesn't happen nearly as often as people think.
10. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
That really doesn't explain the plethora of lawsuits Apple has waged though.
15. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
It's not meant to. If your issue is lawsuits, then talk about lawsuits when they happen, and be sure to note in your complaints how the biggest issue with lawsuits is the broken system the USPTO has created.
If you're angry about something, direct that anger where it is due. Anger over lawsuits doesn't detract from the fact that Apple has made solid improvements in iOS 7.
78. deathgod (Posts: 122; Member since: 23 Nov 2011)
I think he's referring more to how apple criticize's others for 'borrowing' and sues, and then goes on to do the same but calls it 'innovation'.
I personally think the new UI looks great and am glad that those that love iOS are getting the features their comp have enjoyed for a while now.
79. AnTuTu (Posts: 1016; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)
What I have learned so far in couple of years in PA that "MichaelHeller" is a die hard Apple fan.
89. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
Little defensive, aren't we. Simple point is this, when someone copies Apple, they end up in court. When Apple copies someone, we get an article from you about how it's okay. I've read tons of comments about you being biased but never really believed them until now. Apple has sued plenty over less things copied than what they revealed today, and it's okay with you. How sad. And it's clear Apple is justified because they are taking advantage of a broken patent system. Sadder still.
For the record though, it's not anger. Not at all. It's disappointment more than anything, but you missed that being so defensive.
141. techaman (unregistered)
your right i mean look at the name iphone was in brazil on a phone before the iphone came out and what happened lawyers and money and courts pushed it to a small corner
135. CellularNinja (Posts: 306; Member since: 27 Sep 2011)
@MichaelHeller I can appreciate what you're trying to do here in defending Apple against all the android fans like myself, there's nothing wrong with that. But I feel like you're telling us what to think way too much. Should people be bringing up Apple's ridiculous lawsuits in this article, maybe not. But replying to all of these comments telling the user what to think and that there opinion is not the right one is not really necessary, and it's kind of annoying. I understand what you're trying to do in defending Apple to keep the peace, but it's getting to be a little too much I think.
114. pixelado (Posts: 130; Member since: 16 Feb 2013)
I appreciate your contribution to this comments board. Really informative, not to mention mature.
21. mafiaprinc3 (Posts: 375; Member since: 07 May 2012)
let's look at face time,or what we call video calling. apple introduced this as revolutionary and unique to ios,the word face is unique to ios but the functionality which is video calling was on android before,that's stealing.
i do understand & agree when you say "Apple claiming that features are original when they aren't is the real issue"
24. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
and video calling was on PCs before Android, and there were even video calling phones separate from PCs.
38. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
I agree with you Michael that nothing is truly original and everyone copies everyone I just dislike apples hypocrisy, they love to call out when they think someone's cooled them but when they do the same its nothing.. But as I said I completely agree with you.
44. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
Oh yh forget to say that even though I agree with you it doesn't mean apple should'nt be called out for their obvious hypocrisy.
80. someones4 (Posts: 622; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)
I concede the fact that nothing is original and that companies do borrow and build upon each other's feature.
But isn't Apple making it too obvious? As if they are taunting everyone else "Yeah, i copied Google's s*it. What are you guys gonna do about it?"
97. Whodaboss (Posts: 176; Member since: 18 Nov 2011)
Sounds like an apologist to me. Say and write whatever you need to state to make you sleep good at night. But this is total stealing and copying. There's no innovation here. Just plain theft.
98. ncarlosmiguel (Posts: 206; Member since: 14 May 2013)
Apple made a great product no doubt. But they shouldn't shamelessly call it "innovation" then act as if no other product does or have it.
127. amozhi (Posts: 116; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)
I don't understand why apple sued Samsung / Android for rubber banding effect ?!*%
131. ihatesmartphone (unregistered)
140. techaman (unregistered)
i loved my web os palm it was just slow and had no marketing and dev's behind it. the swipe up and other things where amazing.
8. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Yes, it's funny how the company that sues for round corners just "borrowed" their entire OS from the companies it likes to sue. OEMs should be firing up their legal departments right about now.
67. amiaq (Posts: 503; Member since: 30 Jun 2012)
just DIE you arrogant Apple!! you deserve to go down in painful slow death.
19. mafiaprinc3 (Posts: 375; Member since: 07 May 2012)
and then call it innovation, innovation is bringing something new to the table! apple did that with the first iphone,after that they began borrowing or in plain terms "Stealing",apple still makes good products but they need to innovate!!!
132. rcl4444 (Posts: 38; Member since: 06 Oct 2012)
It's been well argued and shown that Apple didn't really even innovate even with the first iPhone. Sure, they took a lot that already existed and many features found in different platforms (mobile and PC), prettied them up, wrapped them all together in a easy to use touch interface and brought it to the masses in an easily palatable & desirable form.
So it can be called a from of innovation...or maybe opportunism. Still, they deserve credit for changing the face of mobility forever. LG, Samsung, Nokia and Windows may all have playing with touch phones before iPhone, but they were getting little traction. iPhone changed that - copy or not.
Like many here I hate Apple's hypocrisy around claims of innovation and originality...and MichaelHeller by saying it's OK to copy by extension you invited the discussion of Apple's lawsuits.
However can't say I recall Apple using the word innovation at all in the keynote in reference to any of these changes...or when they implied it they always qualified that it was a first for iPhone, not a first for all phones.
And for the record, I'm not an Apple fan nor ever owned an Apple product - just calling it as I see it.
142. techaman (unregistered)
CANT WAIT TO HEAR WHAT THE SAY ABOUT THE IWATCH THAT EVERYONE IS ALSO MAKING AND SOME HAVE ALREADY PUT OUT. i see many of these in japan stores tv watch phone watch app watch and others.
49. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3045; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
"adopting the best of the competition, and that's okay."
Reaaaalllly? So why is Apple so far up Samsung's butt with lawsuits?
People can say Samsung stole ideas from Apple but when Apple steals from others, it's "borrowing" and okay to do?
53. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Not talking about lawsuits. Just talking about iOS 7.
58. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3045; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
But how can you talk about anything Apple related and not talk about lawsuits? They sue everyone who is competition with claims of stealing or as you say, borrowing. Yet it's okay for them to steal...er...borrow?
75. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3045; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
I did but that doesn't change the fact that Apple is being hypocrites here and I certainly will not praise them for doing what others have done and go sue the crap out of the same companies that they stole from.
118. forzanetti (Posts: 9; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)
Michael, I think it's kinda hard for people just to "forgive" Apple's hypocrisy when talking about iOS. I myself am a diehard Android fans. Looking at iOS7, I have to admit that it looks stunning. But one of the first things to come to my mind is the word "lawsuit". For the past 2 years, we've seen and read tons of news and articles regarding Apple's lawsuit, so I can't help it that it came to my mind the moment I saw that quicksetting toggles and multitasking.
What bugs me the most is that Apple is suing Samsung over something as trivial as bounceback feature (which is actually just an effect, with no functionality at all), and now here they are presenting quicksetting toggles proudly.
You can say that iOS7 is beautiful, most people will agree with that. But please don't say that it's okay for Apple to copy from other OS. It's okay for Symbian, WeOS, Android, WP, or BB10 to copy from each other because they are not suing each other. Apple started the patent war, which makes it NOT okay for them to copy from other OS.
130. noim1 (Posts: 297; Member since: 15 May 2012)
Man you just took the words right out of my mouth .....Couldn't have expressed it better .....
Apple started this Lawsuit War & they should not have copied frm others...This is what makes People of other OS MAD !!
62. ihatesmartphone (unregistered)
I really hope that Apple will not suing other company due to these changes...:)
3. itreday (Posts: 68; Member since: 24 May 2012)
Can't wait! I Finally have no reason to jailbreak :)
72. darkkjedii (Posts: 13814; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Man I'm all over this bro. Ios7 is tite
117. pixelado (Posts: 130; Member since: 16 Feb 2013)
Glad to see you happy, but... what if it stays the same for another 5 years?
Just saying, it might get old quite fast.
5. MartianMe (unregistered)
"And, everyone who is shouting on one side or the other about "copying" or whatever, just stop the argument right now. The argument is one of the silliest possible. As we've talked about time and time again, everything in life is built upon what came before it. If you look hard enough, nothing is original, and everything has been inspired by something else."" Michael H stop kissing as* to apple ..and while you're doing that...why not give the same advise to apple...since they think the world started with them..IDIOT!!
12. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
OK, so I'm sure you came out and commented on our Google I/O article complaining about how Google didn't give credit to Xbox live when announcing Google Play Games Services, right?
23. willard12 (Posts: 961; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
Is Google suing Microsoft over Xbox live continuously? If not, false equivalence.
26. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Who was talking about lawsuits? This article has nothing to do with lawsuits, it's about features and the announcement of those features. No one has been sued over anything here yet. If that happens, bring up that argument then. Until then, it has no bearing on the conversation.
(See comment #15 for the original version of this same comment)
40. willard12 (Posts: 961; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
Well, I guess we can choose to ignore the obvious. So as for iOS 7, Tim Cook once said that Apple can't be the innovators for the world. According to the article, he has achieved his goal and left that to task to MS, Pandora, and Google.
41. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Michael, PLEASE call a meeting to bring back thumbs down!!! I know there were far too many who abused it, but there are some who truely deserve one right about now.
I think a good way of controlling the trolls would be if we're allowed 5 or 10 thumbs down per day ONLY. Set up like how we're only allow to follow so many article as one time, but let the thumbs reset at midnight. I like that PA took action, but we can't let the trolls win!
63. ihatesmartphone (unregistered)
You just wait and see...XD
92. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
It has every bearing on the conversation because Apple has sued over this exact same thing. While I totally agree about growth being good, when one company goes thermonuclear on another over this exact same thing, it CANNOT be ignored. Please acknowledge the gorilla in the room for once.