iOS 7: a bug-infested mess or simply a work in progress?
0. phoneArena 07 Oct 2013, 05:25 posted on
After the smoke has cleared around Apple's overhauled iOS 7, and we've had enough time to test out and actually enjoy some of the new look and features, it's time to finally draw the line...
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1. PunyPoop (Posts: 750; Member since: 18 Jan 2013)
That's why I don't like to update my iPad, first three months, full of bugs..
69. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
More like a perfideous lash-up at present. Here is a prediction - stability is reached at version 7.1.4
77. desijatt (Posts: 58; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
in many apps where it needs a no. to be added, keyboard doesn't appears.....that kind of thing never happens in android
85. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
Your avatar gives the truth away. Android is relatively bug free, the only bug I have ever had was the carriers fault and it was connecting to 2g instead of WCDMA unless I turned data off then back on. It was fixed by setting it to only run in WCDMA mode and it was fixed a couple weeks later when they pushed an update.
18. Navaid (Posts: 46; Member since: 05 Sep 2013)
New IOS is just perfect.........., Perfect for the sake of ANDROID..!! ;D
22. msa1988 (Posts: 418; Member since: 30 Mar 2010)
I'm not saying these bugs don't exist when there's significant reoccuring proof, but every bug listed above I have not experienced on my 4S. I'm shocked at how messy this is for some people. I'm not a fan of the new music playerformat (all the buttons at the bottom are too close together - it's easy to change track by accident when you only wanted to change volume, etc.). What is everyone doing to get these glitches? Amazing.
24. nestea (unregistered)
Try to reproduce 20- youtube video uploading. Tested a lot of iDevices, all of yhem had this issue
43. DukeX (Posts: 327; Member since: 28 Aug 2013)
That's your problem. You keep constantly saying you haven't experienced any bugs while everybody else has. As if others with idevices are lying about the bugs. I guess that puts you in the same boat then? Not saying you are lying but you're not the only one with an iphone.
46. quakan (Posts: 1311; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)
No problems on my iPhone 5 either although I have seen horrific lag on the iPhone 4. I guess some people have been lucky while others unlucky.
54. Landmarkcm (Posts: 492; Member since: 11 Aug 2009)
No problems knock on my wood on 5C here either.
67. rbbnice07 (Posts: 22; Member since: 02 Feb 2013)
I've had the 5S since release and had the 4S with iOS7 for the couple of days before. I haven't experienced a single problem. I do work at Verizon however and everyone that has iPhone 4 is having tons of problems due to them only have 8gb of memory in most case to begin with, then with all their stuff and the update it slows the phone down so drastically, not to mention the technology in the phone is three years old and iOS7 is NOT MADE FOR IPHONE 4.
68. KRONeage (Posts: 115; Member since: 17 Apr 2011)
In case you haven't noticed, since you've already drank the iKoolaide, their supposed "Unbreakable" (Apple Claimed) Fingerprint Sensor Got Busted in a day or two. Their 64bit chip lacks the onboard memory to even utilize half of the projected gains claimed by moving to 64bit first. That's the reason Apple's competitors were mostly holding off on 64bit chips in the first place.
The gains claimed by Apple are really minor and they can't help that fingerprint sensor, when all it took was a 1st grader's wad of bubble gum to Spoof. Apple will have to buy Samsung's 4GB Ram chips to get anywhere close to the optimal performance gains that come with 64bit chips in all reality.
So with an iOS version that more resembles pieces and parts of their competition's OS features and UI look n feel, no wonder they're having so many problems, even if you can't see it blinded by the iLight!
86. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
Arm has had 64 bit avadible since like 2009. You are correct the only reason for not using 64bit chips was because it literally has no gain without the proper tech. The iPhone does not have the proper hardware to take advantage of 64bit therefore it is a marketing gimmick to trick customers.
99. KRONeage (Posts: 115; Member since: 17 Apr 2011)
That's not entirely true. Truth - yes ARM began working on 64bit RISC chips in co-operation with IBM in 2009. But to date though 64bit chips have been coming off line at Samsung's Austin Texas Semiconductor Plant and TSMC now, no 64bit ARM chips are for sale yet.
But the reality is that Apple's ARM chip is most likely a customized ARM chip in the first place. So Apple most likely did want to be FIRST for 1st Sake only like some 1st grader on YouTube Comments!
Yet here's the kicker; Apple's new iOS 7 isn't a ground up written 64bit system. It's a recompiled 32bit OS made to run 64bit Apps on 64bit chips!
Which is something they were doing already with OS X running on IBM's first PowerPC 64bit chips ages ago! ....so gimmick to trick customers in a FUD filled Marketing Ploy? You'd better believe it!
26. ianbbaa (Posts: 304; Member since: 20 Mar 2013)
By a company that take its gadgets as a TOP NOTCH - such things like this can NOT HAPPEN!!!!
I can understand other OSes, like Windows - drivers issues, Android - a lot of devices with a lot of diff hardware - but strong alone single hardware build for only one iOS and has bugggs???? Where is the reason then to pay skyhigh price for TOP NOTCH iDevice, iService iUpdates.....i am still not convinced to return to APPLE agagin...probably never will go BACK to APPLE!!!
87. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
Apple died the same day that Steve did because the new leaders are unable to innovate.
89. steedsofwar (unregistered)
Too true. Sure, Android has some bugs and maybe even minor design inconsistencies. Yet, iOS and their fans have always boasted about "just works" and "beautiful hardware/software" etc etc. Fragmentation, security and google beta testing android on paying cutomers.
Yet here they are suffering from the same fate but they never cease to flame the other OSs. Everyone learns things from other OSs or take deign inspiration from one another. Everyone does. Except Apple cries "copycat!" and sues companies all the while ripping off designs and features from others.
30. sri_tech (Posts: 188; Member since: 21 May 2013)
I don't think there were so many bugs with earlier versions of iOS.
Not only bugs. The iOS7 UI is very inconsistent and ugly (subjective). It does not have a design language like original iOS or WP Metro or Android Holo.
I believe they rushed it to stop the criticism from all the corners. I don't think it will be fixed because there is no design principle.
33. TarunV (Posts: 28; Member since: 21 Jul 2012)
I agree on that part.
To be really honest, I didn't like iOS 7 at all. After the first week, I realized that it was just a splash of paint over iOS 6 with annoying functionality. Never have I felt so disappointed with Apple. I mean, this is what you get after 7 betas and a Gold Master? Tons of bugs, poor battery life, and lag? Even the god damned background app refresh rarely seems to work (I've never seen any app fetching new content automatically in the background, even if it supports the feature).
I miss iOS 6 so badly. And the worst thing? I cannot downgrade.
I've been an Apple user for as long as I know; but now I think I'd have to switch to a Nexus device (since I hate almost any other Android except the Vanilla one).
This is NOT a fake comment. I'm really disappointed with iOS 7.
Then again, it could only be a problem with my phone, but I doubt that'd happen.
55. JC557 (Posts: 1254; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)
It's the same for pretty much every electronic device. I refuse to update until I get word from others on whether or not there are crippling bugs. Thankfully there are beta testers and tech sites willing to go through the updating process.
71. verbalize (Posts: 107; Member since: 03 May 2013)
No problems here with IPhone 5 and ipad4.
81. andro. (Posts: 1990; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Apple hasn't changed its ios in so many years that when they made a shift in ui styke it shows how messed up they are. They have lazy for way too long using the exact same menu for 5 years and when push came to shove they released a buggy new style.
That say there were many versions of ios6 one after the other,each outted quickly to fix the bugs of the previous version,each creating newer bugs of their own
3. nestea (unregistered)
updated iPad to iOS7, now it feels like android, fuu Apple
15. rcl4444 (Posts: 40; Member since: 06 Oct 2012)
As an Android user - made me laugh :-)
On a serious note, this is one thing iOS had over Android, smooth, responsive and consistent; and like the article said, Apple's attention to detail.
Sure, you expect bugs in a new release, especially in such an overhaul, however really poor form. And no doubt there are more yet to be found!
At least looks like Apple is still being it's highly responsive self with such things and rolling out the fixes almost daily. Still.....shame!
17. nestea (unregistered)
Yep, the most annoying thing, that they pushed this to public if it would be beta, noone would care because it is beta but now public release with tons of bugs, glitches... Strange move from Apple
100. KRONeage (Posts: 115; Member since: 17 Apr 2011)
You need to understand how Apple accomplishes that so called smooth responsiveness over it's competitors. Since it really only appears that way. Because up until now with ARM's emulation, they've been locked out of running true full multitasking and actually still are on iOS's base HFS+ file system.
That's because their Achilles Heel has finally come out of hiding to kick them in their rear end. That being their archaic old MFS based single threaded file system. Designed on the principle of stacking tasks one on top of the other w/o the ability to multitask. Which was very efficient on legacy Macs and low powered mobile devices until now!
The only workaround they've created is called "Preemptive Task Management". Which is a fancy way of saying it can suspend one task to run another more important one at the moment, in HFS+. But that still isn't close to IBM's Pervasive Multithreading and tasking on PowerPC chips or especially BeOS's BFS file system. This is why Apple changed to Intel in the first place. Apple then had OS X running on HFS+ for backwards compatibility to Macs. By having Dominic Giampaolo (of BFS fame) add a virtual sub file system in 2004. But it still couldn't run True Multitasking on it's base file system even now.
Instead they've used slight of hand tricks to cover up things like lag and iOS's complete inability to run anything like Android's True Multitasking. Now they are trying to run multitasking in an emulator, like they did with 64bit Applications on OS X's 32bit OS running on IBM's 64bit PowerPC chips and later ported to Intel chips!
So now just like Android.... there will be more apparent lag, because they'll actually for the first time be able to run more than one task at a time in emulation. Which will be slower than them running on the hardware natively. Yet since their base file system still hasn't been ground up redesigned for today's computing needs, they may not have it all running even close to as smooth as even Android does on true modern fully journaled file systems, specifically designed for Multithreading and True Full Multitasking in the first place!
btw.... with HFS+'s 2040 bug still waiting out there, Apple better go back to basics and instead of hiding the fact that HFS+ is doomed, maybe write a whole new file system so they don't have to hide their operating systems behind their Wizard of Oz iMagical Curtain Gloom and Doom awaiting them!!!
.....and you want to know why Apple really fired Scott Forstall? Because he'd told them they'd better drop HFS+ for use on iOS in the first place and instead license ZFS from Sun back in 2006-2007. Scott already had iOS running on ZFS. But it was Steve's Legendary Ego that got the best of him then! .....and w/o Scott, iOS has become a bigger confused mess than Scott had predicted under his arch rival Sir Joni Ive "invented everything and Steve and Scott just took the credit"!
Search Infoworld.com for "Sun CEO spills Apple Leopard Secret"
4. ardavan (Posts: 6; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)
"for the most part the updated platform is working very as far as the core functionality/stability of the system is involved."
Is working very *what?
Or is the above sentence still just awaiting your final judgement? :)
Very well or perhaps very mediocrely?
5. ScottSchneider (Posts: 325; Member since: 06 Dec 2011)
Again... Beta Beta Beta...Sigh... Presume that the worst is yet to come i think...
6. GeekMovement (Posts: 2022; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)
Wow, that's definitely a mess. What a shocker.
7. nestea (unregistered)
there are way more bugs, forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1644922
40. buccob (Posts: 2258; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)
Number 31 actually looks pretty good :) hahaha
It reminds me the slide to unlock of newer LG phones... where you can preview the background
9. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 3612; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
HAHAHA...That's all new features of iOS 7...LMAO...enjoy...LOL. Still many are hidden for iGreat user experience.
10. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Wow. LOL. I need a new keyboard. My current one is full of coffee. Never have I laughed so hard. And people call iOS elegant, fluent, good looking and something that "just works"?!!
LOL this is worse than the WORST built-by-a-5-year-old-kid custom ROM for Android I've ever seen!!!
I'm adding this article to my bookmarks - so when in iOS 9 when all these bugs are finally (maybe) fixed - and some apple fanboi is gonna come and scream how iOS is perfect and ze best I'm gonna shove this news piece down his\her throat. :D
56. JC557 (Posts: 1254; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)
Yeah, those commercials were the biggest steaming pile of garbage. It just works... just try to look past the bugs in your update.
Frequent updates aren't always a good thing unless they are as clean as possible. Look at Android 4.2.1 in which they needed to release 4.2.2. to resolve a lot of issues. I'm not too upset that my Spectrum 2 is still on 4.1.2... that is until 4.3 becomes more mainstream.
11. taikucing (unregistered)
wow, is that what you get by buying a super expensive phone?
12. 1701nino (unregistered)
I like it,it's basicily the same OS but with diferent look, for my ipad 2 it works great.
27. bucky (Posts: 2148; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
I do too. I have run into the odd glitch here and there but it runs smooth.
The 1 thing that drives me nuts though is the animations. They need to be sped up a lot.
Anyone else notice this? It's not lag or glitching but I find myself waiting on it
36. tedkord (Posts: 7962; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
The animations are there to cover lag. If you open an app and get no response for a second or two, you notice it. If you see a cool animation, you think things are moving along. It's a trick Apple has used since the OG iPhone.
45. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
Thank you. They also use different animation speeds to make it smoother. I played around on my N4 with the speeds and it is a lot smoother if you slow it down.
47. bucky (Posts: 2148; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
I don't have lag. And the 2g iPhone still runs more responsively than 95% of "high end" android phones.
The animations are just too slow
48. Sniggly (Posts: 7296; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
No it doesn't. Not if its running the OS version Apple wants you to run.
Why you gotta lie, Bucky? It's not like anyone here is enough of a goddamn idiot to really believe that the iPhone 3G runs as fast as a modern Android flagship.
101. KRONeage (Posts: 115; Member since: 17 Apr 2011)
They can't speed them up. If they do, you'll see the lag they have been trying to hide. That 3d Paralax feature? Yeah stolen from a 3D Photo Paralax App running on both Android and iOS!
The main problem for iOS now is that they stupidly put an external design engineer in charge of it's development. When the real Genius behind iOS and OS X was Scott Forstall's from the very beginning!
Now it's run by an even bigger Megalomaniac than Steve Jobs..... in Sir Joni Ive "Invented everything & Steve and Scott just Stole the Credit"! .....better bring back Scott Forstall if they really want to get this all solved. Because he was the only real Genius Apple has had!
But..... it's highly unlikely that they would back pedal and admit they made a mistake by putting "Sir Joni Ive Invented Everything", in charge of iOS development in the first place!!! ....who doesn't know diddly squat about software as only a hardware design engineer in the first place!
13. Sniggly (Posts: 7296; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Frankly, no OS overhaul comes without its share of bugs and glitches. There was once an article pointing out oddities after the ICS update. Also, most of these issues will likely be fixed with successive OS updates, just like Apple always does.
HOWEVER, the sheer amount of these issues is troubling for a company that has a reputation for attention to detail and not releasing unfinished products (as certain iFanboys will unceasingly remind us of).
I was wondering if and when Phonearena would get around to doing an article about SloppyUI. Nice to see you guys got on top of it.
21. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 1743; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
Let's not forget a little context here.
How long did it take BlackBerry and Microsoft to do complete overhauls of their mobile OSes? Years. You are looking at less than a year since the ouster of Scott Forstall and the decision to completely rewrite iOS.
23. Sniggly (Posts: 7296; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Yeah, but the changes for Blackberry OS and Windows Phone were virtually nothing like their predecessors. iOS is certainly a visual overhaul, with some features, but it's still very much iOS.
37. tedkord (Posts: 7962; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Exactly. I don't get where it's a "major" overhaul of iOS. It's a new coat of paint. Windows Mobile to Windows Phone was a major overhaul.
66. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
New coat of paint and the color scheme was changed. But still a work in progress. iOS 7 is on what release - 7.0.2?, and the omissions keep surfacing. It would have been better to delay the release and provide a more complete release. But then Apples share price would have been hammered
83. no_i_dont_think_so (Posts: 9; Member since: 14 Jan 2013)
Exactly. But it shows how far iOS has to go to catch up. This overhaul took way too long in coming. It really should have started around when Android started getting its sh1t together back in ICS days or before. Even now, the "Pages o' Icons" look has had its day. At least get widget support for Pete's sake, then maybe I'll come back to iOS.
Most of the changes are for the better for iOS, with the exception of the icon palette. It quite literally hurts my eyes to look at. A themeable set of icons, even if it were limited, would be welcome here.
16. bubba78 (Posts: 55; Member since: 23 May 2011)
On Slide 32 I have figured out if the phones screen is off or locked you will not get the decline button, but if the screen is on you do get the red decline button. A work around until they get it fixed, if you don't get the decline button then you can hit the power button once to silence the ringer, and hit it again to send them to voicemail.
19. TechDork (Posts: 276; Member since: 10 May 2010)
...............i haven't had any of these issues since updating to iOS 7. Literally, none.
20. nestea (unregistered)
Maybe you keep turned off your iDevice?
25. Chris.P (Posts: 431; Member since: 27 Jun 2013)
Some of those can, literally, be reproduced right now. For example, the lockscreen wallpaper.
34. TechDork (Posts: 276; Member since: 10 May 2010)
That doesn't seem like a bug, but something he just happened to come across LOL. I'm talking about the serious issues, never had any problems.