iOS 6 “fragmentation” detailed: which device gets what
0. phoneArena 13 Jun 2012, 08:27 posted on
“Fragmentation” has been a word heavily loaded against Android and a term a bit too broad for our liking. It’s true that software updates on Android devices…
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10. MEeee (Posts: 330; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Remixfa, if I can write and talk like you, I can climb to the top. I just love reading your comments. I still have Gingerbread on my Evo 3D and I don't really care about the ICS update. It's still way better than the boring iOS.
11. iWallE (Posts: 48; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)
One of the best posts I've read recently! Very nicely said and very accurate.
To prove the point - just take a closer look at the Galaxy S II ICS update - it looks and feels almost the same and most people won't even notice some of the added functionality. Sony's promo pictures and videos show no difference in UI at all between the Gingerbread-running Xperia S and the ICS miro, tipo, etc. For most users the OS version doesn't really matter
The bigger thing about this news, I believe, is that Apple is no longer afraid to stray from its uber-streamlined ways in order to offer more functions and devices at different price points.
21. biophone (Posts: 1910; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Remixfa i just read your post and it was pretty fair. I can agree with alot of what you said. +1 for u:)
49. good2great (Posts: 1042; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
this is the remix i know!!! very fair statement...
good post sir
oh, and keep the funny jokes at Taco going... HAHAHA
55. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
lol. thanks guys. :)
I told you before, I am generally pretty even handed except when dealing with trolls. In order to counter act them sometimes you have to pull hard in the other direction to try to get them to the middle. Sad fact of life.
65. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
well honestly i didnt read it all . because he has said it before... I will say not his best work . but fair... nonetheless. sorry I dont do thumbs up.
67. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4799; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
lol gallitoking I love your review on remixfa's post. It was very informative. I do thumbs up & I will give you one & remixfa's epic post one too. lol
72. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
so.. what is my best work, gallito? :)
74. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
when you explain the exynos chip.. and how it worked.. me not knowing nothing about it. I understood most of it. so now I have an idea about it.. so yes that was to me the best.
85. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4799; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Wait was that what I think it is?
Was that a...... moment you 2 had? Can an Android fan & an Apple fan both coexist?
Dude there are 3 pigs flying information outside of my building. lol
86. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
gallito is an OK guy outside of these boards. lol. We just like to mess with each other inside the boards. :)
88. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4799; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
I know, the regulars love to go at it. We are all guilty as charged. It's like the equivalent of pranking each other! lol
90. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
he still a troll.. nothing changes that
92. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4799; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
If we keep calling each other trolls eventually one of us will move to the nearest bridge & start making people answer riddles or just asking for plain old money to cross. Or we will start to eat them a'la zombies. lol
104. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
alright... for.. 20 bux..
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak...
har har ??? :)
96. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
and your still taco's chicken headed yes man.
4. andro. (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
No really cares about fragmentation except fans clutching at straws to find something against android. In most cases fragmentation means a higher spec device will have slightly better features,its impossible to name an electrical product these days which doesn't have different level entry points and price ranges,for the most part this is actually of huge benefit for people to find something within their budget range.
Ios always had a level of fragmentation despite ridiculous claims its hasn't and its the general effort of apple trying not to push the boat with upgrades to prevent fragmentation has meant the los platform has progressed incrementally since day one
7. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
it has always been fragmented. its just a double standard. iOS6 isnt the first iOS to not give full features to older sets. They all did that. You dont see Siri on an i4 or 3gs. They give a bug fix with a few extra features to the older sets and call it the new "iOS", when in reality its a fragmented version. Before they installed OTA updatating, everyone was on different sub versions of different OS's because most people were not regularly plugging into itunes to check for the newest update.
The only issue it ever caused was a bit of app compatibility. iOS is no different than Android when it comes to a spectrum of OS versions being used. The only difference is that its fanbase obeys its glorious leader when he says " android is fragmented, not us". Really if it wasnt for the half truths from Apple and fanboy mudsliging, the issue of "fragmentation", would have never gotten 1/3rd of its publicity. It never did before and its always been there.
6. iWallE (Posts: 48; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)
So, we're getting closer to direct competition between iOS and Android (meaning their offerings are growing more alike) - Android gets prettier and more streamlined, while iOS grows additional functionality. Apple offers maps, while Google broadens its content store. Everyone borrows from the success of the other.
The big question is whether iOS will attract more users or lose some of its fanbase as Apple sacrifices some of its no-compromise approach in exchange for broadening its lineup of products and services. The process has already started - offering two iPad and three iPhone models simultaneously, differrentiating features between devices, releasing beta products... Expansion beyond a certain point requires compromise with quality (as demonstrated by Toyota in the recent years). It will be intersting to see where Apple draws the line. If they erode their premium halo, they have no chance to compete with companies like Samsung and even the deeply shaken Sony, which produce most of their gadgets in-house and offer a wide range of peripheral products and accessories.
9. theoak (Posts: 324; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)
I was hoping for turn by turn on my iPhone 4. Mind you, my new iPad will get that and Siri.
I was also hoping for FaceTime over cellular. Again, I get that with my new iPad.
Worse case scenario, I get the TomTom app for my i4, with lane assist, and the other goodies. It will still be cheaper than upgrading to a 4S or the new iPhone this fall.
17. xtian1103 (Posts: 363; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)
google should sue apple. ios rips off android's patented fragmentation!
18. miguel6632 (Posts: 21; Member since: 25 May 2012)
facetime over 3g =fail looks choppy and lags way too much. the thing about apple every update they release for the older models slow the phones up way too much people always complain about that and its true ive witnessed it myself. they break your device so u have to get a new one lol
25. hltechie (unregistered)
Dang it... no Siri for the iPad 2 :(
36. Watchmanz (Posts: 12; Member since: 01 May 2012)
All operating systems are fragmented to a degree. Look at all the different versions of Windows or iOS. Fragmentation is a common way of introducing new features for newer devices, and eradicating old features that didn't work well. The only difference is that most people accept fragmentation as a normal part of operating system development. It's only the iPhone fanboys that use it as an accusation against Android. Now we see their operating system is just as fragmented, so their argument becomes futile.
57. ibap (Posts: 752; Member since: 09 Sep 2009)
I am not a huge Apple fan, but I own an original iPad (bought used) which is now abandoned by Apple -
Gee, is it surprising the iPads don't have the features particularly devised for phones? This table labels those the same way as other features, which is not a fair way to tag them.
Also, the table seems to ignore the first iPhones. How convenient.
Could it be that the extent of evolutionary improvement for Android has been greater than for the iOS sphere?
When your mode of transport is a bicycle, and you upgrade to a car, is it an issue that the bike doesn't go as fast?
The real issue is all the Apple fans who are trying to think of a way of defending their OS of choice from the comments they've made against Android. Who cares? Backward compatibility is nice, until it limits your forward movement.
As for delayed Android updates - this is a carrier issue, for the most part. Probably a good argument for the equivalent of unlocked phones, but our major carriers are not going to let that revenue stream go.
60. johnbftl (Posts: 280; Member since: 09 Jun 2012)
I love how itards biggest gripe with Android is always fragmentation. Fragmentation only occurs because of carriers. Google supplies the source code for all versions of Android on its website. Here's the G1 running ICS:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
=Ym4A82ft5pw&feature=youtube_gThis OS was built to do whatever the hell you want with it. You want an OS version your carrier hasn't updated you to? Root your phone and install it. Oh and guess what? You don't have to go to court to earn the right to root or "jailbreak" it without voiding the warranty. Don't worry, Google won't try sue you for doing it. This is a stupid argument that has no base and I'm tired of hearing about it. Apple customers just want everything given to them without having to think or do any work rather than actually learning how your phone works. data_player
63. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I'm going to go on record an explain to the android hater camp.
This is not fragmentation when it comes to features the older devices can't handle. Apple still supports those devices. I mean the 3GS is a full 3 years old and still getting updates and new features. Of course it can't handle some due to hardware (no front camera for FaceTime is one example)
Now there are a couple features that it appears shouldn't be held back. iPad 2 can handle Siri and FaceTime over 3G, but looks like isn't getting either. That I don't like.
Android phones don't get long term support. Sometimes they don't get ANY sw updates. There's phones that Re perfectly capable of handling all of ICS and don't have it at all. Also Google doesn't do updates for older devices that have hardware limitations.
As much as you guys want to bash Apple and praise android you have to admit this is an advantage for Apple.
66. johnbftl (Posts: 280; Member since: 09 Jun 2012)
Again, Google doesn't push the updates, the carriers do. Google supplies the source code for all OS versions. If you want it, download it and install it to ANY Android phone.
73. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
do you know which handsets are ICS capable and never going to get it? why there is a cut off on some and not others? Handsets dont get the android upgrade unless they can get 100% of the update.. not 75% or 50% like apple does with the older models.
Its not as cut and dry in the android world as it is in the apple world. You take the good with the bad. choice leads to more options. Not all options are always forward compatible.
78. ilia1986 (unregistered)
taco - once again you keep pushing the fact that for many Android models - *official* software updates are few and far between. For the most part - that is true.
Since Android is an open source OS - ANY device which can be rooted (95% of all Android devices afaik) can get almost any Android OS to run on it. How well it can run? That depends on HARDWARE. As it should be.
When it comes to Apple however - it's not hardware limitations which dictate which device gets which iOS features\version, but Apple's grand "profit milking" strategy which keeps the best features for the newest devices ON PURPOSE. In order to boost sales. Not for any other reason.
Why is this happening? Simple - iOS is CLOSED SOURCE. No matter how much you tinker with it - it's nigh impossible to run a new iOS version on an older officially unsupported device.
When it comes to Apple products - YOUR MONEY BUYS LESS - because your device WILL stop receiving iOS updates\features LONG before hardware limitations dictate so.
When it comes to Android products - if your device can be rooted (95% of all android phones can be rooted afaik) - only HARDWARE LIMITATIONS prevent you from enjoying a particular part\feature of the OS.
This latter situation is as it should be. Software capability\availability should be limited by hardware. NOT by any sales strategy.
So - if you want to get the most bang for your buck - as everyone does - you will get a device with open source OS. I know I will.
79. bayusuputra (Posts: 961; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
i can make almost any android running ICS.. it's OEM that doesn't push updates in order for users to buy newer models.. Android is open source, if you could get the source, you are all set..
It is not fragmentation of the OS, but rather OEMs' faults.. get the difference between the two..
84. Whateverman (Posts: 3250; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Face taco, iOS is now fragmented. No matter what defense you try to throw out there, the fact is there will be Apple devices running two or more different versions of iosbecause Apple will no longer support them. This has nothing to do with carriers holding back updates, or features being withheld. When most iOS users are updating to iOS 6, I will still be looking at a very laggy iOS 5.1.
89. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Name one phone that can handle ICS that hasn't either gotten it or isn't slated to get it.
93. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4799; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
C'mon taco50 you are smarter than that. How can you even say that? Apple is now suffering from the same thing you always talked bad about. Fragmentation is an inevitable thing that can't be avoided. All OS's suffer from it due to technology moving forward. There is nothing that can be done.
You yourself said that you are disappointed with the fragmentation on the iPad 2. That is proof right there about fragmentation on Apple products. It would be better just not to say anything then to post what you just posted.
64. sprockkets (Posts: 1611; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)
LIst needs to be clarified, some stuff is going on the ipod touch latest gen (4tth) vs the older gen.
77. snowgator (Posts: 3554; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
At some point, we are going to have to redefine"fragmentation". I truly do not feel this is fragmentation as we define it. If you are able to give updates, but do not because there are too many steps and differences in the device, it is fragmented. If you are delivering the updates that you are capable of, than you are not.
82. bayusuputra (Posts: 961; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
you are just making excuses, sheep..
fragmentation is fragmentation.. and this is a case of it..
you'll have different version of iOS6 running with different features in different devices..
and btw, "If you are delivering the updates that you are capable of, than you are not." Google does deliver the ICS updates, it is OEMs that do not update the phones..
so i think, rather than saying Android is fragmented, i would say, Samsung/HTC/Motorola/LG/Huawei/Sony/etc is fragmented..
THERE IS NO ANDROID VERSION RUNNING WITH CRIPPLED FUNCTIONALITY. ALL ICS SOURCE WILL ALWAYS HAVE ICS FEATURES, ALL GB SOURCE WILL ALWAYS HAVE GB FEATURES.
it is only up to the OEMs whether they implement those features or not (e.g. face unlock is disabled for devices like One V which has no FFC).
get the difference correctly, and stop making excuses.. why is it that when SJ said android is fragmented, it is used widely and indiscriminately against all android devices, but when now iOS proved to be the same, craps are flying in to defend it..
99. snowgator (Posts: 3554; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Which of my dozens of posts saying I would be all over Motorola, Samsung, or a Sony Android if WP 8 wasn't what I wanted when it hits makes you think I am a sheep? Which part of how much I am impressed with the uniformity and capabilities of ICS, and only seeing how those three UI's work with it would be the deciding factor?
Oh, wait, you don't have a clue about that. What you saw was something your knee-jerk reflexes saw as "pro-Apple", and you pounced, name calling and all. Because of course, calling people names on posts ALWAYS makes points better.
Actually, the way I look at it is this: The term fragmentation is negative in mobile, so let's completely freaking ditch it. But, for Android and it's updates to be considered on a case-by-case basis (in other words, let's look at Moto and it's decision to not give not the Droid 3 and Droid X 2 the ICS update just in regards to those two devices, and not as an Android as a whole thing), we need to start by looking at Apple the same way. This graph does it. Phone Arena did Android NO FAVORS to this by inciting it in the opening comments. You do Android no favors by assuming that I am a Apple sheep, when in fact I am a WP Geek who happily will move to ICS if Microsoft lets me down. I just want to hold each OS and Manufacturer accountable for their actions, their decisions, and their support. Fragmentation is getting to be too easy of a slam. It require no intelligent thought.
Like calling someone a sheep.
102. smacsteve (Posts: 67; Member since: 16 May 2012)
At least Apple will update all of it's devices at the same time! And they'll work too!
106. joey_sfb (Posts: 5242; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Please add AirPlay mirroring via Apple TV into the chart. Currently only iPhone 4s and iPad 2 or later has that feature.
107. griffitj (Posts: 2; Member since: 10 Oct 2012)
I wasn't going to comment on this, but the failure to make distinctions in some cases and proposing pseudo-distinctions in other cases, along with all of the fanboi status accusations got to be annoying. Cudos to snowgator and biophone for calling people out on the bogus and pointless fanboi accusations. In that new tradition, and just to get that out of the way, if i am a fanboi of anything, it's utility and WebOS (you read that right, WebOS)--it's better than iOS, and Android is just now catching up on the main features that make WebOS such a good platform. Unfortunately, first Palm and then HP ruined that innovation with piss poor hardware, marketing, and management. The _only_ thing they had going for them was good OS and good designers. Thankfully, Android has taken ides/features/concepts that were at least inspired by, if not stolen/appropriated from WebOS (cards anyone?), and began innovating with them.
Now for the failing to make or to acknowledge distinctions. This is _not_ a case of fragmentation is fragmentation, folks. As several people have pointed out, Apple is rolling out regular updates, both major and incremental, to all of its current devices. Some _features_ of new OS's are not delivered to some devices, but that is because Apple has determined that some devices will not adequately handle some features. If they have been to conservative in those estimates, that is a separate, not necessarily less important, issue. In the meantime however, they have delivered the heart and soul of the updated OS to each device. Saying it's fragmented is like saying I don't have the latest _full_ version of Windows just because my copy didn't come with Internet Explorer. In the first place, thank God! b/c I can't stand IE and second, who cares? I have an iPhone 4S with iOS 5, and I never use Siri. I'm not impressed with it and Android's comparable capabilities are no better. As far as I'm concerned the tech for voice control (at least for the consumer market) is not there, yet.
To be continued...
108. griffitj (Posts: 2; Member since: 10 Oct 2012)
Conversely, Android updates only making it to some Android devices _is_ fragmentation, and it's not good. Yes, yes, i know Google fans, it isn't Google's fault, or even Android's, b/c the full update is always released in its entirety. But those updates don't make it to consumers' phones reliably. Yes, i know, it's those pesky manufacturers and carriers that are to blame! Well, guess what? Google/Android's marketing/distribution strategy relies on those manufacturers and carriers, so it is Google's fault, and they know it, hence the increased focus on Nexus devices. So, let's respect Google for treating it as a responsible adult organization capable of accepting criticism. Attempts to foist the blame onto OEMs or carriers are attempts at pseudo distinctions. This is how Google has chosen to deliver Android and that delivery method is flawed and, yes, fragmented, regardless of where in the chain the fragmentation occurs. And let's give credit where credit is due: Google recognizes the problem and is taking steps to improve matters. Let's see where the increased focus on Nexus takes us.
If you want to talk about problems with OS rollouts, I really don't think we need to talk about fragmentation to score hits on Apple. iOS6 has not exactly been a success case. I won't be updating anytime soon, unless there are some major fixes.
For the record, I love Macs, but i'm not necessarily an iPhan. I love Google (and Chrome), but I'm not a big Android fan (although the latest OS's are definitely starting to impress me). Android apologists, all this "See, iOS is fragmented, too!" talk is embarrassing and smacks of helpless paranoia. It implies that you believe that, if not for the fragmentation, iOS6 _is_ better than the Android's latest, or at least better than whatever older version you're using. _Is_ that the case? If not, put your focus where it belongs, on an underwhelming update "improved" features that turned out to be humiliating.