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iOS 6 “fragmentation” detailed: which device gets what

0. phoneArena 13 Jun 2012, 08:27 posted on

“Fragmentation” has been a word heavily loaded against Android and a term a bit too broad for our liking. It’s true that software updates on Android devices…

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posted on 13 Jun 2012, 11:04 1

45. remixfa (Posts: 14329; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


its more than just the timing. There is costs involved. If HTC submits an update and VZW rejects it, HTC has to go fix it and resubmit and the cycle continues until VZW decides to allow the updates.. then HTC gets to push the update. All the while they have to pay however many programmers to constantly redo the same update while working on the next.
Its a cost ratio. Thats why a lot of times you will see "beta updates" in the wild that never materialize through the carriers.
If they sell X amount of phones and make X amount of money on that model, they will only spend a certain percentage on updating it other than necessary bug fixes.
Another one of the many reasons to go after the big models and not the cheapies.

Its a crap system that will only be fixed when the Android manufacturers do 2 things.
1) reduce the UI overlays.. which for the most part is happening.
2) collectively stand against the carriers and demand the same treatment as apple when it comes to updates.

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 11:05 1

46. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Well post 14 appeared that way lmao

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 11:10 1

47. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Well HTC not putting up the money for the updates is also kinda their fault. I also assume Verizon wouldn't reject most updates so this shouldn't be that much of a issue. I'm sure verizon would like to see devices supported to so I can't imagine verizon would flat out reject the updates. Maybe they would ask to fix a couple small things but not the entire update.

And those 2 points would help alot but more so of getting it out quickly (a major problem) then helping the longevity of updates.

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 11:17 2

48. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


That just goes to show you how much power the carriers have. The carriers should just worry about the network & the OEM's should worry about their phones & updates.

The fact that Apple has control of the updates & Android or the OEM’s don't is mind boggling. Google & the OEM's should demand the same treatment as Apple. If it's good for one it's good for all. That is where Apple I think shines over Android.

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 11:21 2

50. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


I think thats something we all can agree upon

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 11:23 1

51. tedkord (Posts: 12859; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


But, I'm not missing anything on Gingerbread that I'd get on ICS. It was mainly a redo of the UI, but an HTC phone gets Sense anyway. Plus, I can put any UI from the marketplace on it I want.

Now, going from Eclair to Froyo was a big deal, because you got Flash support. Froyo to Gingerbread was mainly just optimizations (not to say there weren't added features, but I can't recall any now so they weren't a big deal to me.

The point is, I don't think there's anything my phone will do with ICS that it won't do right now. There's nothing an iPhone can do that my phone won't do right now with Gingerbread. And, there is quite a bit my phone can do right now that no iPhone can do (with the possible exception of jailbroken phones, I'm not up on what functions that adds)

And, if I'm the type who needs the latest OS immediately, I have the option of going with a Nexus device. All the bases are covered with Android.

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 11:23

52. remixfa (Posts: 14329; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


apple is the first company to get control of the updates. others really need to step up.

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 11:27

54. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


I think it has to do with the religious like devotion some wakos have towards apple that carriers know in order to get them they will need the iphone. Apple clearly is a different kind of company then most. In some ways good in some ways terrible.

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 11:31 2

56. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


thats a poor excuse to sday you confuse him with me or taco.. different avatar and name.. just own up that you are a dumb@ss and dont make excuses

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 11:35

58. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


I agree with you remixfa carriers play a role but I had no idea that verizon played such a huge role. I'm sure they wouldn't keep on rejecting the update till it gets to the point where a manufacturer wouldn't be able to push it at all though. That seems crazy.
And tedkord you would know more about android then me but the fact remains the updates are happening slowly on the thunderbolt and isn't a great example about how great android is doing with updates.

Anyway guys I got an Ipad 3 and what a machine. I didn't get the chance to sample android tablets because it was through education but I have noticed some app incompatibilities with the ipad the devs need to step it up lol. Words with friends looks terrible.

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 11:35 1

59. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


biophone. now you see why I behave like I do.. they never want to listen to other arguments.. always saying the way I say things.. but you have been polite and they have been nothing but rude.. anyways is always nice to read you.

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 11:36

61. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Lol uhhh oo galitoking is in the house lol

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 11:38 1

62. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Galo just because someone was rude to you doesn't mean you should be rude back.
But remixfa and superandroidevo haven't been at all so there is that.

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 12:03 4

68. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


hey SAE is a very civil guy ..sober..lol.. and remix.. I do respect him but love fighting with him..

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 12:04 4

69. remixfa (Posts: 14329; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


you can always tell when I drunk post. I curse a bit more and dont even try to fix my dozens of spelling errors.. lol. with the new exercise routine though, im not drinking like i used to though.

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 12:05

70. SleepingOz (unregistered)


BUAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH, you killed me!

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 12:09

71. remixfa (Posts: 14329; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


no, unfortunately, they are crazy. If its not 100% what they want, then they refuse to allow it to roll out.

I dont know if you remember back when the Storm launched on VZW a few years ago. But to highlight what we are talking about, probably a dozen different test versions of MUCH BETTER software was filtering through VZW's processes before launch. Even with all the bugs at launch, it took like 2-3 months for VZW to approve something to send it out. Then it took another 3-4 months to get more "official" fixes out, and by that time customer satisfaction was through the floor.
Thats why many of use went to crackberry.com and got the unofficial software as it came out. Some of it worked way better than what VZW allowed to release. MY storm was awesome. Part of that was that I didnt wait for VZW to finally allow an update.

If VZW doesnt like the update, it doesnt roll. Period. And they will stop an update for the most mundane BS. Its sad but true.

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 12:30 3

75. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


I have never posted drunk on PhoneArena.com because if I ever did it would look like this:

oawehgfQE47 BFD85ZGSDFE3Q20ASCddesgb7347$#^%&&

That wouldn't be too good. lol

+1

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 12:33

76. biophone (Posts: 1994; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


I never had a storm but know alot of people who did. I don't' remember it getting any major updates but heck I think blackberry was partially to blame. They got lazy and rested on their lorals.

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 12:51

80. remixfa (Posts: 14329; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


no.. im telling you from experience. There must have been 12 resubmits to VZW for testing which got killed before the first "official" update. We used to be able to see the internal testing versions. I cant tell you how many times I told a customer "well, we got an email that they were testing version XXXX so it should be out any day now".. then we would get an email saying that version was canned and they are trying a new one. soooo many headaches.. I will never forget that.
In many cases manufacturers are to blame.. but with VZW, more often than not, its them, more than the manufacturers.

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 12:59

83. DigitalBoy05 (Posts: 223; Member since: 04 Jun 2011)


agreed. apple gives the illusion of a uniformed ecosystem by giving older devices the same iOS version number but that has never meant they include all the new features. Apple though I will say leaves more features out than necessary to make sure their customers feel the need to upgrade sooner. Android I feel tries to update all the features the phone can physically support. And even if the Manufacture does drop update support, which lets face it happens to every device at some point, theres a strong developer community that is producing updates for the phone if you root.

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 13:38 2

87. HTCFreak (Posts: 156; Member since: 17 Jul 2010)


No, only taco's attitude :p

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 17:16 1

97. downphoenix (Posts: 3165; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)


Not sure why they thumbed you down. You speak the truth. I love Android, but in the past, manufacturers have been slow to update, and most manufacturers have not fixed this yet. Although we cant blame them entirely, sometimes carriers are to blame as well, they dont want to push out updates for phones that are End of Life or nearing it.

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 20:36

100. Ivan6479 (Posts: 250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


Well "tedkord" is right indeed about Apple leaving some of the customers out to dry, so to speak and as for Android devices getting maybe 2 updates within an 8 month time frame, that is pretty good seeing how most people upgrade their devices about every 2 years or so. Lets face it though even with iOS6, Apple is still struggling to catch up to all of the features which are implemented into Android. Android had all of these features well over 2 years ago. So if your content with paying top dollar for a device, which looks cool, but offers you options which are outdated, then that's your prerogative and your just supporting a company that's frankly taking advantage of their customers. I guess their clever marketing techniques full all ages. LOL

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 23:00

101. RobotMan (Posts: 145; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Fragmentation is fragmentation. Good or bad it is what it is. Whether you sugar coated it or what, it still Fragmentation.

posted on 14 Jun 2012, 00:26

103. remixfa (Posts: 14329; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


ok..

imma tell you right now.. ive had a ...few.... oz of vodka tonight. I may.. or may not be drunkposting/ :)

posted on 14 Jun 2012, 12:26 1

105. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


I just say what will say Apple fans, but I didn't said that you are an Apple fan. ;)

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 08:50 16

3. remixfa (Posts: 14329; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


the reality is... its not a big deal. companies regularly hold back stuff on older models to entice you to buy newer ones. Its never been a big deal. Who made it a big deal? Apple and their fanatics. Also to blame is the constant news cycle about which phone are getting what.

There isnt one OS in history that isnt "fragmented" somewhere. iOS is fragmented, Android is fragmented, Windows is fragmented, RIM has always been fragmented, on and on and on. Its the nature of the game. Why would you buy the new model if you constantly get all the new toys on your old model? Android took "fragmentation" to new heights not because it was any more or less fragmented than other OS's, but because there were so many different models and there is a huge constant news cycle about each device and whats happening with it. It makes android users that dont know any better upset that they are not getting the latest OS update. Its information overload, plain and simple.

But in reality, you shouldn't care. When you bought the phone you bought it with an OS on it. You loved it right then and there. A new OS update coming out doesnt make your device "out dated". It doesnt affect your device at all. You didnt buy your device with a promise from the manufacturer (sales reps do not count) that it was gonna get all the latest updates. However there is an unspoken promise that you get bug fixes as needed.. that you should expect.

If you really want the latest update and just cant be appeased with the fact that your phone probably works near flawlessly as it is.. you can always root/jailbreak your device and have your way with it.

"Fragmentation" will NEVER go away. You cant jump from OS to OS to avoid it. You cant hide under your bed. The only thing you can do is unplug yourself from the constant news cycle so your not bombarded with the latest OS news all the time and go enjoy your device.

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 09:06 5

5. Mitchel (Posts: 228; Member since: 25 May 2012)


Very well said Remixfa.. I hope iFans will stop the "fragmented" and "copying" rants..

posted on 13 Jun 2012, 09:16 3

8. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)


Good post. +1

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