ZTE Grand S II could be the first smartphone to sport 4GB of RAM
0. phoneArena 28 Mar 2014, 05:13 posted on
Back in January, when the year seemed so new, Chinese manufacturer ZTE introduced the ZTE Grand S II. At the time, the handset seem well spec'd with a 5.5 inch display carrying 1080 x 1920 resolution, a quad-core 2.3GHz Snapdragon 800 SoC under the hood, and 2GB of RAM inside. Heck, the Grand S II even beat out the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 on the AnTuTu Benchmark test, scoring a rather impressive 34,938 vs. the 34,652 tallied by Samsung's phablet...
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1. darkskoliro (Posts: 984; Member since: 07 May 2012)
Is there a particular reason the back of this phone looks exactly like my HTC Butterfly?
3. neops (Posts: 202; Member since: 28 Jan 2014)
And the front like a buttonless GSII with a ZTE logo?
10. Aploine (Posts: 194; Member since: 24 Oct 2013)
They even copyed the name G(rand)SII. But somone has to start from somewhere. And copying is one method that huge artists used also. I think that in the 80's the best copiers in electronics were the Japanese.
11. Ashoaib (Posts: 2264; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
You got a point... I used to hear in childhood days that Japanese products are advance copy of american and european products.. anyway, I want good options. I am not a manufacturer, so copy is not my nightmare... infact its my delight as a result of more options
26. Aploine (Posts: 194; Member since: 24 Oct 2013)
As long as they sell cheap their best, worldwide.
39. deewinc (Posts: 158; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
The Japanese copied flawlessly. Until the Chinese decided to throw a low blow.
Remember products like JVC, Panasonic, Sharp?
51. james004 (Posts: 474; Member since: 15 May 2013)
JVC, Panasonic, Sharp are legends! Sony is the last standing company from all of them.
Sharp is in LCD production business now,
Panasonic production in battery making
and last i heard about JVC was when they were manufacturing audio chips for other companies but even that is under some Chinese manufactures now.
13. Ashoaib (Posts: 2264; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
Seems like chinese are taking driving seat in mobile phones these days, well thats not bad... come on apple, bring a law suit... they are taking your ideas
2. Zack_2014 (Posts: 46; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)
Really? Few years back my PC never even had a gig and it ran fine..
22. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
but on windows you dont have so many apps running like on android, thats why android smartphone platform needs more ram then pc and labtop, also windows apps when opened have more large size apps than androids apps
44. AppleHateBoy (unregistered)
But you do need to run 15+ GB games on Windows. On Android the largest you will reach is about 1-1.5 GB. So yeah PCs need tons of RAM too. Plus 4.0+ Android has a good auto task killer.
48. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
But on Windows you have games and how many other apps running....? On Android you have Facebook, Gmail, Twitter, Wechat, Tango, Evernote, and others have maybe more or at least people have 5 apps running the less, so each apps take up 45+ Mb of RAM, if you have 2gb RAM the system and Google services takes up 900Mb, leaving you with 5 apps minus 230+= 880Mb RAM left. And that's just 5apps, let alone installing 20+ apps that would be 700+Mb remaining 300Mb RAM for browsing. If you open 2tabs on Dolphin browser it eats up 150Mb RAM leaving 130MB left which then starts to lag. Yes task killers are there, but why kill an app which was designed to run persistently without interfering and killing everything and the apps restart themselves again,,,,
Smartphones need a lot of RAM just like PC, but on a PC you don't have more than 20 apps running like Android.
53. AppleHateBoy (unregistered)
"each apps take up 45+ Mb of RAM"
"Google services takes up 900Mb"
Sigh.... My Xperia L with only 1 GB ram runs all those in background while consuming less than 700 MB. And this is with Jelly Bean. With KitKat it would be even lower.
54. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
That's including Jellybean and if your running TW or Sense, or Timescape. It shows every apps running on JB when you use the app SystemPanel, try it,,,,?
How many apps to you have installed? The more the app you install the lower the RAM gets the more the CPU idels at 600mhz at screen off, than it should at 300mhz
4. karkavelas (Posts: 58; Member since: 25 Oct 2013)
Somebody has to tell ZTE that the specs war is over..
36. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
somebody has to tell you that why does it bother you? if you dont like the specs go for the mid specs... options are a great thing for specially me cause i love power and is a power user....
8. Lt.Green (Posts: 385; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
ZTE setting the mobile standards of the future. I love how they push technology to their limits.
9. AppleHateBoy (unregistered)
Sigh... Can we please have unified memory instead of more memory?
16. AppleHateBoy (unregistered)
The total RAM that is used in your Android phone is divided into two "fixed" parts. One part is used by CPU and can be seen in task managers. The other part is used by GPU. The problem is that some companies decrease the amount of GPU RAM (for some stupid reason) which may result in poor game performance/low FPS. Unified memory "simply" allows CPU and GPU to share the total memory which may increase game performance/FPS.
18. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
Would be even great if it had 4GB SOLID STATE DRIVE RAM
Try downloading SystemPanel on Playstore
24. afegit (Posts: 37; Member since: 12 Feb 2014)
oh wow, I've been able to refrain from commenting on the stuff you spout, but m8, ur b8 is just too gr8, I r8 8/8. You are truely one of the greatest trolls to grace PhoneArena. Conside me your fan
27. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
why asking for a class 16 memory is know classed as trolls... really
asking for LPDDR4 RAM is trolling
asking for 2015 specs is trolling
asking for better materials and cpu gpu rams and screens is trolling
what do you still live in 2010 specs?
do you drive a 1.6 engine with 3 cylinder car?
so you dont want to drive AMG MERC or a4 audi but drive the a1 really?
so your telling me you wouldnt pay an extra 70 dollars for a super fast memory, but would prefer a LPDDR2 RAM?
35. AppleHateBoy (unregistered)
You can't compare smartphones with cars...
"Asking for is trolling"
Asking for things isn't trolling. It's the time at which you are asking. Let me give you an example. Do you think TSMC is enjoying troubling everyone by not releasing 20 nm HKMG and 16 nm FinFET?? Scaling these things for mass-production takes time. You and I can't help it, because human resource is limited.
So, kindly, stop trolling. Please. It's a request.
37. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
well if they cant why dont you ask battery oems to advance the tech, tech is available but no oems want to pay that price, someone has to push this like what apple did
you can compare smartphones with cars laptop pcs
ever herd of liquidmetal
side air vents
lipoly batteries plus
and it was possible for
NOKIA8800 SAPPHIRE ARTE, nokia used high grade titanium, the first device to use rolex, breitling sapphire glass, stainless steel yes and grade 18.8 true geniune leather and carbon fibre,,,
i payed £750 sterling for a non smartphone in 2008 so your point is validated, there are lots of users and buyers who would pay this amount of cash, just to have great fine prestige materials
look at apple iphone a midrange subpar phone made with cheap glass and cheap aluminium, people still buy that device and millions are, so go troll elsewhere please, i understand your a young kid who lives under his mum and is getting support by her, and that i assume your jealous and hates are rising cause you cant and would like to own fine prestige items
so your theory that you say im trolling is nonsense and mute, if youve got the cash go upto samsung sony or whatever company to make you a custom build design of your choice,
ANYTHINGS POSSIBLE, MONEY HAS POWER AND TALS, YOU ARE THE BUYER AND THEY ARE THE PROVIDER
like i said i would pay extra 400 euros for those specs and materials or even 600 euros extra
fineprestige items never depreciates
45. AppleHateBoy (unregistered)
Well you can use experimental battery tech if you want. Just don't cry when it blows up in your face.
HTC One used an almost full metal design, yet it didn't sell well. Galaxy S3 was entirely made of plastic and yet sold millions. It isn't just about the materials. But the overall package.
Yes I don't have any premium things. But at 16 I don't need to. Btw do you really enjoy insulting others? Your argument is weak and you know it. But you don't want to accept it and so you insult others. I am a kid and yet I have far, far more sense than you.
Money has power. But you aren't the only one with a lot of money. A lot of people have a lot of money and all of them don't want metal. You with all your money can't force a company to make a flagship phone with awesome build materials. The companies that do want to build phones with premium materials compromise on specs. You can't have both in a phone. Why? Because you are alone. A phone with best everything will be expensive to manufacture and design, yet few people will buy it and the company will lose money. If you want everything in a phone, make your own.
49. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
Why would it blow up, it's not gonna be me whose go through the process, but technicians.
Htc One sold well, due to not selling like galaxy Sseries was market recognition and media, along with great resources spent would obviously will be a hype like Apples products.
No I have not insulteded anyone or others and I respect there choices and previliges and humor.
Yes I hate dislike plastic!
It was you who was rude and acting childish first, I have not disrespected you, but I confronted with logical questions and answer.
You will know something that I won't, and I will know something you won't,,,, we are in a discussion forum, here to learn and share thoughts and perceptions,,,
No I'm not rich or have plenty money, yes I get paid ok which leads me to buying quality products. Even from young age I always liked designer brands......!
52. AppleHateBoy (unregistered)
"i understand your a young kid who lives under his mum and is getting support by her, and that i assume your jealous and hates are rising cause you cant and would like to own fine prestige items"
This wasn't an insult?
55. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
Apple hate boy I didn't insult you, and if it felt like an insult I apologize,,,,
"I said I understand" I didn't say "your " which I directed at you. I was your age and I was helpless and was relying on my parents, but I use to work 2 days to cover up expenses which I always growled up seeing others wearing nice clothes and having good things.
42. afegit (Posts: 37; Member since: 12 Feb 2014)
Well, I simply assumed that nobody could be stupid enough to make that comment.
RAM is inherently solid state as it has no moving parts, so all RAM used in all devices are what you calll "Solid State".
Secondly, RAM used in modern phones are at least 5x faster than the fastest consumer solid state drives (NAND based), which means a "4GB SOLID STATE DRIVE RAM" would be slower than even the RAM used in the iPhone 1.
Please, if you don't know what you're posting, don't post
I guess I put too much faith in the intelligence of PhoneArena posters.
43. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
If it was classed above speed 16+' did you miss out,,,,
46. AppleHateBoy (unregistered)
A class X card refers to a card that can sequentially write at X MB/s. To match RAM you need a class 1000 card at minimum. Good luck finding that before 2020.
34. AppleHateBoy (unregistered)
Ohhh.... So it was YOU. I can't believe how I missed your username.
38. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
LMAO yes applehateboy, the little kid
And yes i hate apple to, but like there products but really hate there business thinking, pathetic patent trolls
14. jibraihimi (Posts: 695; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)
Now they only need to upgrade the processor to snapdragon 801 or 805.........
20. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
Tegra4 and Exynos 5422 are much better and powerful
47. AppleHateBoy (unregistered)
Powerful maybe. But definitely not better.
50. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
Yes not for saving battery, but who cares power is there when you want to ,,,,,
Performance and sports car are powerful, but not better.
15. Cyberchum (Posts: 270; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
Time for me to throw away my HP Pavilion DV6 spotting "4GB" of RAM
Bet that even with this, there'll still be occasional lags.
17. Klamba92 (Posts: 200; Member since: 25 Jun 2012)
We don't need more RAM just need to focus on the internal memory and battery life, KitKat is even less intense heavy, the excuse for needing it for the high Graphic intensive gaming is just silly! The vita ps3 and Xbox 360 have less than 1gb and it runs smoothly. They just need to optimise their software to run on the hardware instead of just going for higher specs!
19. true1984 (Posts: 592; Member since: 23 May 2012)
Touchwiz and the optimus ui actually do need the extra ram
21. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
and extra cpu power
when i turned on all the features on S4 the RAM shows 500mb RAM left
23. Klamba92 (Posts: 200; Member since: 25 Jun 2012)
But people were saying how great the g2 is and it has 2gb ram and does not sttuter or lag? Has that changed now with the KitKat update?
28. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
ITS THE COMPANYS SKIN OVERLAY which take up lots of ram and feautres they put
kitkat is vanilla plain platform designed to run smooth on 512ram, when oems take kitkat they will add there feautres on it so ram will increase
29. Klamba92 (Posts: 200; Member since: 25 Jun 2012)
Yes sorry I was not clear in my previous post and should have mentioned even with the bloated optimus ui the g2 still works flawlessly (in due part to the SD 800) but would be even better if they actually optimise their software like Motorola or HTC from sense 5!
30. jnieto490 (Posts: 10; Member since: 24 Mar 2014)
Its designed to run on 512mb of ram yes but I haven't seen a phone with 512 of ram actually have kit kat running so for now its only theory
32. Klamba92 (Posts: 200; Member since: 25 Jun 2012)
That's true I have not seen one either, I can't exactly say it works well as I have a Nexus 5 with the 2gb.but when I tried the HTC one mini I think that has 1gb ram, it ran smoothly and it was on jellybean at the time. Have not tested how it is on KitKat not sure if it has been released yet for it. But I'm sure it will run even more smoothly!
25. DrSchlotkin (Posts: 6; Member since: 17 Apr 2013)
And a good portion of that RAM would be wasted if it isn't addressable in the first place.
40. Korgoth22 (Posts: 17; Member since: 21 Dec 2013)
+1. If everyone would stop calling each other a Troll for 2 seconds, they might have caught this haha. The Snapdragon 800 is 32-bit, & while it theoretically should be able to address 4GB of RAM, the OS reserved address space could make this much lower. Why put 4GB of RAM in a phone, if it can only address 3.5GB?
41. g2a5b0e (Posts: 2305; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
Because if you put in 3GB of RAM, it will only be able to address 2.5GB.
31. sarge77 (Posts: 202; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)
You would be surprised these phones need extra ram it's the way android uses it. From LG go to note 3 big difference both phones are really fast but note 3 wins in unzipping zipping converting just because extra ram 4 gig sound's great just wished kit kat worked on memory optimization
33. CreeDiddy (Posts: 302; Member since: 04 Nov 2011)
4GB is not required for phones now. All the bloatware that is provided causes the phone to need more RAM.