ZTE Apache with 8-core CPU said to be coming in 2013
0. phoneArena 26 Nov 2012, 01:49 posted on
If you can't imagine a smartphone running with an 8-core CPU under the hood, better start thinking about it now because ZTE is rumored to have such a device ready in time for launch in 2013; the phone will use Mediatek's 28nm ARM15 MT6599 chip made using TSMC's 28nm process...
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46. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
given the company, it will be. for sure. I would like to see a great build quality for this device. That's what chinese OEMs lack of.
53. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1064; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
I have got tears in my eyes....this is too good to be true!
But if this is right then Sammy,HTC, LG, Sony will really have to do magic and not pull a rabbit but a beast out of their hats!
55. htc_prep (Posts: 303; Member since: 09 Oct 2009)
it may just be me, but what is the point in having 8 cores in my phone? i dont want it for the hell of it. because:
1. there isnt any yet apps optimized by ZTE, Google or 3rd party makers to utilize that hard ware.
2 Even if ZTE were to optimize the UI to work with 8 cores it wont matter since Googles OS just began support for quad core hardware.
3. again with out proper software tweaking all that mouth watedring hardware (cpu, gpu and 1080p) will run rampant on the battery.
4. I have a quad core Windows 8 and dual core phone and tablet and that is the perfect song and dance that does everything i need.
I SAID ALL THAT TO SAY: I DONT NEED ALL MY EGGS IN ONE BASKET.
60. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1064; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
diversity, progression, push for competition and if nobody dares to push the limits how will others follow?
Android does not support octacore yet but when manufacturers start producing it in mass then they'll have to optimize it for octacore. if tech progressed as your thoughts we wouldnt have even moved up to quad-core! somebody has to egg the others to move forward and this time its ZTE!
But you're entitled to your opinion which is respected nonetheless
62. htc_prep (Posts: 303; Member since: 09 Oct 2009)
definately understand the build it and they will come mentality but again. why?
there needs to be refinement within the community on the base product before advancements occur.
the premier dual core devices ie the G2x, Bionic, sensation, photon, and the original transformer had horrid battery life excessive heating and lag until december when they started to recieve the ICS overhaul (hint with dual core support kernel) did they begin to perform as they were originally markets to act. but look at how long they were out before they got the software upgrade.
these quad core devices on the market arent supported through the foundation that was laid in ICS because thread scheduling and thread affinity code only supports dual core in a sense.
unless im mistaken im only a technician not a developer but thread scheduling and thread affinity for quad core devices still havent been baked into the OS and i do believe that the one x, s3 transformer prime have been out since what q2 2012? yes i change the clock sppeds all day one my evo4glte and s3, but im rooted and it takes manual work the nexus 7 is going to be the reason quad core is supported.
2 low players Mediatek and ZTE arent going to be the driving force behind octocore. yes china has a lot of people lots of smart people but for this to catch on big players intel, qualcomm, samsung, htc and the big boy google are going to have to catch on to make this ripple splash.
i can wait a few years for octocores id just like refinement so that when i use MY CURRENT device it just works instead of having to wait for my upgrade cycle to come back through.
65. matthew04101 (Posts: 12; Member since: 08 Feb 2012)
it's great that you can wait a few years for octocores. by that time, those phone are supported by all the software and you can get them for cheap. for me, i hope octocores will come out next year, so i can get one of those. it'd even be better if octocores comes out next month, but it won't :( mobile tech is moving so slow and i hate waiting.
2. sportsinger75 (Posts: 71; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)
This whole specs race thing is getting really ridiculous. It's stupid, if you ask me. Really turning me away from mobile tech. Make a product and stick by it, don't just release something ten times better a few months after you release the last one. This applies to all manufacturers.
3. XPERIA-KNIGHT (Posts: 2384; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
indeed.......dual core s4 is still sufficient enough honestly
8. MeoCao (unregistered)
I don't understand you guys, how can making super high tech gadgets be a bad thing? This is argument for iOS and WP, not Android.
Super fast chip means the phone is super future proof.
15. wendygarett (unregistered)
It's only show internet speed but not significantly different... The android jellybean is smooth enough even in dual core...
Platform update is the REAL future proof... Not the monster spec... Would you rather get this jellybean os device forever??
20. MeoCao (unregistered)
Wendy, read more about technology.
ARM is moving to BIG.little 8 core architecture and Android will follow with upcoming Key Lime Pie. 8 core are not for speed but mainly to save battery life (there's an article on PA about it),
Battery life is the weakest point of Android so this is great stuff.
30. wendygarett (unregistered)
Huh?? The iphone 5 a6 chips has dual core CPU and tri core gpu with only 1440mah battery...
Sucks right? but Can you explain why it manage to compete the razr maxx in term of web browsing?? Lol can you educate me with this??
37. MeoCao (unregistered)
iOS is different Wendy, Android always does much more in multitasking and you have much more freedom on Android.
Just look at the Notification Center and Google Now, you can't have so much information w/o doing anything in the background.
39. wendygarett (unregistered)
Yeah I understand now :D
Thanks for your information though lol
57. rdeleonp (Posts: 43; Member since: 21 Jan 2012)
The MediaTek MT6599 is rumored to be 2 sets of Quad-Core Cortex-A7 processors, so technically it is not "big.LITTLE"... More like "LITTLE.LITTLE"...
49. eli577 (Posts: 81; Member since: 29 Jun 2010)
It's not like that nowadays. If you buy a monster specced phone, you probably buy another one in a year, because tech giants say that it's much more better in every way...blabla.
I wouldn't call this future proof, if most people buy a new phone every year beacause of this.
52. MeoCao (unregistered)
No1 can force ppl to buy new phones, but w/o future proofing we will HAVE TO buy new phones every year to have new software features.
I think most ppl do not buy phones each year and old phones are regularly upgraded with latest software.
56. htc_prep (Posts: 303; Member since: 09 Oct 2009)
theres no software to properly optimize and run that hardware.
AND WHERE IS THE FAN GOING TO GO? have you ever held a quad core / lcd device? 8 cores / 1080p will cause a melt down
9. rickywinataa (Posts: 262; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)
it is enough for right now but what about next 6 months or a year from now ? games will be better graphicly, multitasking will be more heavy and current gen processor might now be able to handle it.
however it is true that octo core is a bit overkill as it would drink up battery and even intel's cpu extreme edition is hexa core. it is better to create smaller fabrication process to 22 or 20 nm
12. XPERIA-KNIGHT (Posts: 2384; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
well it seems we are promoting games now arent we?
i understand tho man
33. rickywinataa (Posts: 262; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)
well, most of the power from the processor will be used in mostly games. but who knows if our smartphones could run desktop class apps in a year
34. XPERIA-KNIGHT (Posts: 2384; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
ill tell you what, if the S4 pro cant already then an 8 core will certainly put that question to rest! lol
5. thunderising (Posts: 225; Member since: 25 Nov 2011)
Those who don't want need not bother to check out such articles then.
13. MeoCao (unregistered)
Don't be so angry dude, we can always discuss our differences.
6. someones4 (Posts: 618; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)
You, sir, are a hindrance to science and technology. Imagine if everyone stuck with the model T Ford. Or if they stuck with letters and homing pigeons or telegrams.
Everyone should squeeze out the best they can offer.
10. XPERIA-KNIGHT (Posts: 2384; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
we are not hindering technology.......we are just wondering if a move such as this is to Just to promote sales and will have little relevance to ACTUAL USE in a device.
Do you really think this much power in a phone will be used, and if so ON WHAT!!?
You are in complete denial if you think there is something on a smart phone that requires this much power.....COMPLETE denial!
This is not "advancing" technology but a cry for help and attention in order to promote and gain sales and increase a "lesser" fan base than others that are on top, WITHOUT this much power (samsung, htc)...
but never the less the pebble has been thrown into the pond and the ripples must ripple out
17. someones4 (Posts: 618; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)
then perhaps a feature phone will do plenty for you. an LG chocolate or just a simple Nokia 3310. Those should be up your alley. It does satisfy your needs either way. Then, in that case, you don't have to check out these articles.
Also, if they can offer it to me and for a reasonable price, why should i reject it? Why should you care that the feature is just a gimmick or what not? I'd like to think of it as a bonus and i'm sure many would agree. I would not turn down the opportunity to get something better.
19. XPERIA-KNIGHT (Posts: 2384; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
no i dont have to go backwards to be satisfied bro but i dont have to buy something that will probably NEVER BE USED either.......
I have to say this.....If ZTE thinks that they will put out samsung htc moto and sony by "amping" up the spec sheet then they are SADLY mistaken........apple and sammy have proven that its not about specs but ABOUT WHO CONTROLS THE MEDIA!
point blank man........
23. someones4 (Posts: 618; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)
Your second point is correct. But IF Samsung or any other OEMs (except Apple because they won't) does develop such phones, i'll definitely get hooked.
Obviously, the fact that ZTE does it first does not mean they are the best. Once the S4 or sony Odin comes out, the bars will be raised again. It simply means that there are manufacturers pursuing this and we welcome such technology.
27. XPERIA-KNIGHT (Posts: 2384; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
i understand......but theres a big difference between inovation and creating new ideas, and just bumping up unneccessary power in order to grab peoples attention.......
The spec race is going to get old and people will get turned off by it......people are going to start looking for true inovation and real features.......why? because its already been proven that we DONT need too much power to run out devices smoothly.........so if zte wants to "advance in rank" they need show us what is actually USEFUL to an everyday user AND us geeks lol know what im sayin?
31. someones4 (Posts: 618; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)
You are right. that is why i'm not going to buy this. Instead, i'll just wait for next year to get something which i fancy ( and not made by chinese companies)
Although, if samsung made this, everyone would pounce on it.
35. 8logic (Posts: 129; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)
believe it or not, the push for smaller, and more powerful chips is necessary progress. the phone we have now is probably powerful enough for a while and probably thing is really needed to improve the usability. however, the as more advance chips comes out, the cheaper the current chips will be; this mean more gadgets will have a more powerful cpu and more opportunity to exploit that technology.
the next generation of gadgets are waiting for the maturity of such technologies. gadgets like the google glass relies heavily on smaller, and more powerful chips in oder for it to work the way they want to.
if companies don't push for the bleeding edge and consumers don't demand for the bleeding edge, than the evaluation of technology will slow since there will be less incentives for them to make is smaller and faster.
40. XPERIA-KNIGHT (Posts: 2384; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
true.......but ill just say what i feel, I dont think ZTE's move here is going to have enough impact on the market, to make a threat big enough, TO FORCE leading companies such as Samsung Apple and HTC to compete at that level........why? because its really not going to harm or affect their fan base neither their sales......
Have a good one man and thanks for posting :)
45. someones4 (Posts: 618; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)
the point is not ZTE. Obviously, they can't hope to compete by outing an 8-core phone. the point of this discussion is the possibilities and future advancements of mobile tech.
24. MeoCao (unregistered)
This is ARM's initiative not ZTE's.
There's an article about BIG.little 8 core chip design on PA. It's about saving battery life more than increasing the speed.
28. someones4 (Posts: 618; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)
The article also says that the new Exynos chip will be based on this design, am i right?
29. XPERIA-KNIGHT (Posts: 2384; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
well you know we would of never seen it that way from what 'this" article reads right? lol
48. picka_vi_materina (Posts: 160; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
Tell me what kind of use do you actually get from a quad core? With your use, you don't tax even a single core to the max. Don't tell me games, since there the GPU is punished. Mobile games are nowhere near CPU intensive as consoles or PCs (a single core with a powerful GPU would do the job). Apple is going the proper route, providing a massively powerful GPU.
58. rdeleonp (Posts: 43; Member since: 21 Jan 2012)
Indeed, the GPU choice is critical: goo.gl/cuXNG
BUT... I want my "one device to rule them all" (plus assorted docks, connectors, wireless protocols, etc.), so 8-core is only the natural progression.
I cannot wait for the future!
64. matthew04101 (Posts: 12; Member since: 08 Feb 2012)
someone can't catch up with mobile tech and feel a little sad :(
4. thunderising (Posts: 225; Member since: 25 Nov 2011)
Mediatek is shaping up to be quite a competitor to current market leaders.
ZTE is the next global leader in the making. They seriously need to launch in markets like India and sell like millions of budget smartphones.
7. wendygarett (unregistered)
unnamed ARM15 MT6599 chip??? Pass...
I rather pick crapdragon and tegra3
32. wendygarett (unregistered)
To be honest I rather pick Qualcomm and nvidia because they are more developer support...
36. thelegend6657 (unregistered)
Don't be such a Samsung fanboy . You could learn more from me / Xperia knight or even Wendy
41. XPERIA-KNIGHT (Posts: 2384; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
i appreciate even being mentioned thank you :)
and God my name is killing me now :( ....lol
42. wendygarett (unregistered)
You know what?? Exynos does better when it comes to speed tests... It just not suit us...
Don't be one sided mate... It just a personal preference lol...
47. someones4 (Posts: 618; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)
Mmm... I simply pick the best or what is deemed to be the best. If the snapdragon or whichever chip could perform better than the exynos, then i'll go for it.
earlier this year, my friend went for the Sony run by Snapdragon. While heat management is better than exynos, performance deteriorated after a while. Exynos on my S2 is still going strong. tegra is ok but not my cup of tea.
As you said, just personal preferences.
51. thelegend6657 (unregistered)
Forget about snapdragon s3 . It sucks real bad . But I think quad snapdragon s4 is superior to exynos
11. Izzy_V (Posts: 216; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
LG has proven it time and time again; it doesn't matter if you're the first at something if that something sucks. If Samsung, HTC, Motorola, or Nokia were to be announcing this then you could bet your buns that it would get people hyped.
16. AliNSiddiqui (Posts: 357; Member since: 19 Sep 2012)
This is stupid. This isn't innovation just bumping up the specs to make up for great marketing. We don't need 8 cores... look at Nokia with their innovation in the camera and display department, or Samsung in the software and phablet department. Speaking from experience, specs don't make a good phone.
21. byazatt (Posts: 159; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)
zte is shaping up to be a brand to watch out for..
25. phil2n (Posts: 466; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
My galaxy SII is working fine i think i don't need to upgrade to 8 cores for just the same purpose
26. gazmatic (Posts: 548; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)
More specs with old technology... Why 28nm? We know that mobiles are capable of octacore cpu and duodecacore gpu but what about power efficiency? A smaller die size means less energy and 3d chip manufacturing is even better. Until we have a perpetual energy source I'll hold off on the specs war until at least 2015. The battery needs to be more optimized. I want whole day heavy usage. I want 36 hours video playback on a 333ppi HD screen. Until then let android have their spec war. Windows phone os runs smooth on 256mb of ram. I'll stick with lumia 920 for now.
43. ash29 (Posts: 55; Member since: 28 Oct 2011)
First of all nokia lumia 920 has 1 Gb of ram,and secondly u dont even need 256 mb of ram for os's which dont multitask.
38. Twisted247 (Posts: 197; Member since: 12 Oct 2012)
On paper it will look good to some, the only way this would do well is if it was a"Nexus" type device. I.e not running any ZTE software, I would take a quad core Samsung or HTC over an eight core zte device any day. They still have some way to go. But this is DEFINITELY a huge step in the proper direction. I'm not counting them out but it WILL take more then hardware specs to win a strong following in the Android community.