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Windows: State of the Platform part 1 - Year in review

0. phoneArena 27 Mar 2014, 14:49 posted on

We've already covered the top two biggest mobile platforms in the world in our State of the Platform series. We've looked at what 2013 held and what to expect in 2014 from both Android and iOS. Now, it's time to take a look at the fastest growing platform on the market, and the platform that has the best chance of becoming the final pillar in the modern mobile triumvirate: Windows...

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posted on 27 Mar 2014, 14:56 14

1. ArtSim98 (limited) (Posts: 2738; Member since: 21 Dec 2012)


Windows 8.1 Pro = The best OS ever

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 15:15 2

3. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8242; Member since: 14 May 2012)


Still prefer Mac OS X Mavericks. I don't plan on switching back to Windows anytime soon.

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 17:56 1

19. CX3NT3_713 (Posts: 1830; Member since: 18 Apr 2011)


My PC runs both OS's ;-)

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 01:36

32. dorian827 (Posts: 126; Member since: 28 Jul 2012)


I prefer my Ubuntu and Windows 8.1 ;-)

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 15:20 6

4. Pedro0x (Posts: 271; Member since: 19 Oct 2012)


If it didn't include metro they yes. And if it had Aero, and if it had the windows 7 start button, and if everything wasn't so rectangular. Oh and did I mention metro.

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 15:55 9

10. pookiewood (Posts: 582; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)


Go pick up a Dell Venue 8 Pro or Surface and come back. I encourage you not to be subjective either. On the desktop it works just fine but you can make the OS boot straight into Desktop mode if you prefer. On my Venue 8 Pro Metro works beautifully! I really think you should check it out on the tablet. First look at videos of what you can do on it and notice how they put the OS together to make it SO easy to use.

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 04:42

33. Pedro0x (Posts: 271; Member since: 19 Oct 2012)


Ofcourse I have tried windows tablets and laptops. My view on the metro didn't change anyway. The tiles don't fit into desktops nor into tablets or phones. I feel like Microsoft tried to make the system easier to use but instead they made it much more difficult to use. In my opinion windows 7 is the easiest to use OS on earth. But ofcourse all this is subjective. Sure there are people who love W8 but as you can see even windows vista has more marketshare than W8 and that speaks for itself. All the facts are against you.

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 08:07 1

34. pookiewood (Posts: 582; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)


While not all apps are geared to the desktop without a touch screen specifically, majority of Metro apps work just fine on the desktop but like I said before you can boot straight into the desktop, pin apps to your task bar or desktop as usual and use the OS that way. As for tiles on WP and tablets well I guess they could've shrunk Windows 7 and used it there and become the laughing stock of the industry. With Android out already looking like Windows Mini why would they go that route? How else should they make it finger friendly? Especially on Windows Phone which works so well as is.

As far as market share you are wrong! Windows Vista holds 3.3% of the market, Windows 8 holds 6.63% and Windows 8.1 holds 3.95% of the market for a combined total of 10.58% of the Windows market. Now I suck at match but I'm sure 10.58% > 3.3%. Also 3.95% > 3.3% . Source: http://thenextweb.com/insider/2014/02/01/windows-8-1-now-3-95-market-share-passes-vista-windows-8-falls-6-63/

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 01:15 5

31. ArtSim98 (limited) (Posts: 2738; Member since: 21 Dec 2012)


Metro is fantastic. That W7 start button is not needed at all in W8

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 15:58 4

11. pookiewood (Posts: 582; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)


Absolutely LOVE my Dell Venue 8 Pro. I've had Win 8 on my laptop for some time and thought it was good. I got my DV8P last week and it is an amazing little device!

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 16:28 3

16. thealphageek1 (banned) (Posts: 942; Member since: 02 Feb 2013)


I think Windows 8.1 Pro is an awesome OS as well. I have Dell Venue 8 Pro and it's awesome.

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 15:01 5

2. sgodsell (Posts: 1210; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)


WP declined in the holiday quarter Q4 2013 with 8.8 million WP devices. That's down from Q3 2013 with 9.5 million WP devices. This is with sales of WP devices like the lumia 520, going for as low as $49 off contract.
If WP was doing so well then Microsoft's Nokia would not be making any Android device. Especially 3 of them.

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 15:31 2

5. fouadqr (Posts: 290; Member since: 21 Nov 2012)


8.8 million Lumias in Q3
8.4 million Lumias in Q4

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 15:33 5

6. Pedro0x (Posts: 271; Member since: 19 Oct 2012)


The funny thing is that Microsoft is getting more money from Android than from WP

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 19:39 4

25. sip1995 (Posts: 807; Member since: 07 Feb 2014)


Actually they take $20 from every android device, so when you purchase an android phone....you're helping to make Windows Phone better (cuz all the money goes to WP development)......thanks a lot.

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 15:35

7. pyro2448 (Posts: 6; Member since: 18 Mar 2014)


android OS in a laptop would be great for me!

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 16:08 5

12. papss (unregistered)


Yes and its called chrome book and they aren't very gois

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 16:14 3

13. protozeloz (Posts: 5375; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Chromebook does not use android, and as much as I don't like the idea, people looking for basic stuff (your average, non computer fan student) its not half bad

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 19:15

22. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Cmon..you know good n well Android is more than what Chrome OS is.

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 19:21 3

23. papss (unregistered)


Barely ;)

posted on 30 Mar 2014, 02:51

37. elitewolverine (Posts: 1556; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


Barely...if that. I mean they both function the same. What was it 'chrome apps'. Only thing android has is app count.

When you can purchase a 8.1 windows tablet, with a 11.6in screen on sale for 250, with a year warranty...the app count for droid means jack when compared to the power of a desktop enviorment.

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 15:39

8. threed61 (Posts: 127; Member since: 27 May 2011)


The Lumia 928 and the Icon are 2 different devices.

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 15:45

9. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8242; Member since: 14 May 2012)


The Lumia 928 had a 4.5" screen and a S4 Pro if I'm not mistaken.

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 16:15 1

14. xmaloba (Posts: 3; Member since: 30 Dec 2012)


Android has stagnated W8 & WP8 is on certain up on the basis of an alternative to android..lumia 1320 ($299) looks to b selling on par with 52x in terms of bang for ur buck ... give it till august 2014 n u'll remember my comment

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 16:25

15. supratik1993 (Posts: 12; Member since: 16 Mar 2014)


I kinda miss the missing aero graphics in windows.... Otherwise its not so bad....

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 16:44 5

17. KenAdams (Posts: 55; Member since: 17 Feb 2014)


I love the tiled modern UI on my Surface 2012. The apps look great and its super smooth and fast. I'm hoping to pick up a WP8.1 handset and retire my S3 soon. The app situation on WP is great, though it's not that good on Win8. However, i love how the apps look and the entire look and feel of the platform. I hope developers get on board and create more metro-style apps for Windows 8. I see WP really growing in the near future and challenging Apple for the 2nd position in the smartphone market.

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 17:25 1

18. Cyberchum (Posts: 269; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)


After spending time with Windows 8, I've come to grow fond of that highly maligned tiles. That start screen looks so colorful and the apps are just pleasing to the eyes and Kai free.

..

The only thing that is going to stop me from getting lumia 635 is it they happen to price it higher than 220 USD in Nigeria.

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 17:58 5

20. Liveitup (Posts: 1196; Member since: 07 Jan 2014)


@sodsell I guess you forgot to mention that Samsung also declined last quarter as well or that HTC declined over 36% over the last year even though though HTC only made Android devices. IPhone 5S, Iphone 5C, Note 3 and all the numerous Android/iOS third quarter promotions could hardly put a dent in WP market share that is impressive of WP withstanding that third quarter/holiday push from the two big platforms.

HTC M8 ripping off WP Live Tiles is an attempt to mimic Nokia WP success of the last year that increased sales from

2012 = 13.3 million WP

2013 = 30 Million WP

You said that "if WP was doing so well Microsoft Nokia would make Android phones let me explain what's wrong with what you said. Many Android fanboys were basically begging Nokia to make an Android phone so Nokia gave in and made a few to appease those asking, , you conveniently left that part out, hypocritical much?, secondly Nokia X are only Android in name , they look and largely operate like like an uglier version of WP, not like your typical Android devices so your point is invalid.

WP is the most imitated platform on earth, its a quality OS that is made for grown up, like someone said it doesn't need babysitting, look at Android and its OEM's each passing day they become simplier, flatter, etc that is them trying to grow up from an OS point of view, I suggest you do the same.

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 18:27 2

21. PBXtech (Posts: 976; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)


You should study the Metro concept. Just because others are transitioning to Metro doesn't mean they are copying WP.

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 19:26 2

24. papss (unregistered)


No they just perfected it and made it popular just like Nokia did with higher quality snappers on phones.
I remember some time back fandroids saying "who cares about a good camera on a cell", now look at the landscape

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 20:34 1

27. PBXtech (Posts: 976; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)


A camera is not Metro, two totally different things. As far as perfected UIs go, that's a totally opinionated statement.

posted on 30 Mar 2014, 03:01

38. elitewolverine (Posts: 1556; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


Certainly opinionated, just like the comment of who needed better snappers.

In the end, icons have been stagnant for years now. It was only a matter of time even without Win UI to force a change from them.

Widgets were getting there, but they are only a 'maybe' solution.

If it wasn't MS to make the change, in 2yrs someone, probably Samsung would have.

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 20:06 3

26. Liveitup (Posts: 1196; Member since: 07 Jan 2014)


I know the concept of Metro, I know the concept of Skeumorphism, I've studied design language and the history behind them i make informed comments, basically if you are using the principles of Metro then you are largely inspired by Metro, the funny thing is I remember when Metro was first introduced the amount of bashing it got from other platform fanboys now that its caught on many of those same people now defend those imitating the same thing they once bashed, irony at its best.

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 20:36

28. PBXtech (Posts: 976; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)


It's a fad, design concepts come and go all the time. Metro will run it's course one day and be replaced with something different, although probably not necessarily new.

Personally, I can't stand Metro and long for that day.

posted on 30 Mar 2014, 03:08

39. elitewolverine (Posts: 1556; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


Hope it doesn't go, the start menu was archaic and icons have been 'old' for years now. Flipboard and widgets had the idea.

The transition to tiles that actually do something, like show pictures, info, updates, news etc, was a long time coming. If not MS, Samsung would have in their bid to go away from droid (which was an option at one point and still is with their tizen)

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 22:03 4

29. Liveitup (Posts: 1196; Member since: 07 Jan 2014)


Indeed Flat design is a trend, its not the law so everyone going Flat shows how good they think the design MS implemented within software is.

posted on 27 Mar 2014, 23:00

30. PBXtech (Posts: 976; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)


Whatever helps you sleep at night.

posted on 28 Mar 2014, 16:04

35. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


This paragraph from the article says it all:

"2013 was Windows Phone 8's first full year on the market after having been released in October of 2012. The update was a massive one, and also quite dangerous, because it was essentially a second reboot for the platform in just two years. Microsoft retired Windows Mobile with Windows Phone 7 in October of 2010, and just two years later, the company left behind all of the Windows Phone 7 devices with the Windows Phone 8 release, because older hardware was unable to upgrade. However, it seems as thought it was the right call, because as mentioned, Windows Phone has been the fastest growing platform in the world in 2013."

Some WP fans try to reset the date and only go by WP 8...and totally dismiss WP 7. When Android went thru its major change....Android 1 still gets counted in the overall scheme of things.

I think its also telling that in Android land...this would be called fragmentation. But for WP...somehow it isnt. What happens when WP 9 or 10 comes out....and a major change happens again. Then what? IIRC...Win Mo 6+ wasnt available for every Win Mo device.

Its going on 4 years for WP as a whole. Still near the bottom with BB. In 2 years Android rose alot; (and I am counting Oct 2008 when it officially launched with a massive whimper) by mid-late 2010 it was competing with/passing the iPhone for #1...and along with the iPhone knocked Palm out the ring, put Win Mo and BB on the mat. At some point....MS is gonna have to decide whats financially better for them.

posted on 29 Mar 2014, 10:05

36. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1080; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)


as far s smart phones go now that Windows smart phones can use all the high tech gear that are available for smart phone to have now it is time for Microsoft to do what it does best and that is make great soft wear for their products. I expect good things from Microsoft's programmer teams. I still think microsoft needs to refresh the shape of the Modern UI/AKA metro tiles. a lot of people think the MS tile UI is ugly. What microsoft needs to do is at least round off the 4 corners of their UI's tiles or better yet have the 4 sides of the MS tiles curve outward a little to give them a aero dynamic look. this may seem lie a dumb needless idea but the truth is People will not buy what looks ugly even if it has great technology like the data updating functions that the Microsoft modern UI tiles/ AKA Metro tiles have. I think that Microsoft will sell more products if they refresh their tile's design. they look too homely.

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