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Windows Phone makes sales gains in Europe and US, Motorola back on the map

0. phoneArena 31 Mar 2014, 23:30 posted on

Microsoft continues to see robust growth for Windows Phone sales, and the Moto G has put Motorola...

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posted on 31 Mar 2014, 23:52 3

1. alterecho (Posts: 1059; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


The title should be "Nokia makes sales gains in Europe and US, Motorola back on the map".

posted on 01 Apr 2014, 00:48 2

8. Penny (Posts: 1107; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)


No, the statistics are for mobile platforms. They had it right. Your suggestion is nonsensical.

posted on 01 Apr 2014, 01:35 2

9. alterecho (Posts: 1059; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


My suggestion was being more precise.

posted on 01 Apr 2014, 01:54 4

11. Penny (Posts: 1107; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)


To be precise, your statement was more caustic than precise.

posted on 01 Apr 2014, 02:01 1

12. sbw44 (Posts: 366; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)


like always

posted on 01 Apr 2014, 04:01 2

15. alterecho (Posts: 1059; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


You deny the fact that the marketshare WP was able to claw was because of Nokia?

posted on 01 Apr 2014, 06:41 2

17. elitewolverine (Posts: 1185; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


And without samsung? Android is only at because of samsung without samsung you have crap ware....

your statements about as derp as this one above.

posted on 01 Apr 2014, 07:31 1

19. alterecho (Posts: 1059; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


I don't know why you bring up Android at all, but for the sake of correctness - If it weren't Samsung, then it would have been some other, like Sony, LG, HTC, Motorola, etc.

"your statements about as derp as this one above."
Not as much as the ones you make/made above, if at all.

posted on 01 Apr 2014, 15:23 1

24. sgodsell (Posts: 902; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)


Samsung sells around 36% of all Android phones. Also Samsung makes WP devices. They made WP devices even before Nokia got into the picture. Now of course Nokia's phone division is owned by Microsoft.

posted on 01 Apr 2014, 12:09

21. Penny (Posts: 1107; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)


Clearly Nokia has a lot to do with WP's marketshare, and everybody on this site understands that. What you can't seem to come to terms with is the fact that NOKIA IS NOT AN OPERATING SYSTEM and therefore is, by definition, not a part of these mobile platform statistics. Again, your original suggestion is simply nonsensical.

posted on 01 Apr 2014, 12:22 2

22. alterecho (Posts: 1059; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


"What you can't seem to come to terms with is the fact that NOKIA IS NOT AN OPERATING SYSTEM"
And where did i state that? *facepalm*

"Again, your original suggestion is simply nonsensical."
Does Nokia sell any other OS in Europe or US?
Does any other manufacturer has over 50% WP marketshare, let alone over 90%.

I actually intended my suggestion to be taken figuratively and light heartedly, which WP fans can't do, but it actually translates literally, in the case of Nokia and Windows Phone. Either way, you can't deny the message conveyed, through my suggestion.

posted on 01 Apr 2014, 13:12

23. Penny (Posts: 1107; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)


I know that you made that suggestion lightheartedly, which is why I wanted to make sure a correction was made before you keep making that suggestion in jest to where you eventually are unable to distinguish fact from fiction. I said as much when I referred to your statement as sarcastic.

Again, I am not denying the fact that Nokia has about 90% of the Windows Phone market, but for the sake of accuracy, it is best that we separate the two. Lest you care to admit, as elitewolverine suggested in comment #17, that the Android line should read "Samsung." As was your response to him, my response to you could simply be "if it weren't Nokia, then it would have been some other..."

posted on 01 Apr 2014, 21:25

25. alterecho (Posts: 1059; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


"I know that you made that suggestion lightheartedly, which is why I wanted to make sure a correction was made before you keep making that suggestion in jest to where you eventually are unable to distinguish fact from fiction."
Read the last part of my comment again. The thing i said heartedly, actually translates to facts. So there is no need to separate fact from, what you assume, as fiction.

"Again, I am not denying the fact that Nokia has about 90% of the Windows Phone market, but for the sake of accuracy, it is best that we separate the two."
Again, people who support WP, seem to have trouble grasping how light hearted (in this case literal) comments actually work.

"Lest you care to admit, as elitewolverine suggested in comment #17, that the Android line should read "Samsung." As was your response to him, my response to you could simply be "if it weren't Nokia, then it would have been some other...""
Let me make you understand. Forgetting the OEMs for the moment, in the current state of mobile operating systems, Android's is supposed to be 54% iOS - 40%, Blackberry - 3%, Windows Phone - 3% (for the sake of explanation).
Now if, off the 54% Android has, if Samsung Weren't making Android, the 54% would have maintained, by other manufacturers, since people like Android, i.e, if not Samsung Android, it would would have been a Sony Android or some other.

Now, if off the 3% Windows Phone has, if Nokia weren’t making Windows Phone devices (including the most popular, cheap 520), the 3% would have shrunk, since people don’t want to get other OEM phones and they aren’t in it for Windows Phone in particular, and the share would have been distributed to other Operating systems. Which would have eventually lead to the collapse of Windows Phone, just like Microsoft’s Kin1 and Kin2.

posted on 01 Apr 2014, 23:14

26. Penny (Posts: 1107; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)


Ok, let me clarify a couple of things in this, my final response.

First,
Windows Phone =/= Nokia.
Android =/= Samsung.

These are facts, with no room for interpretation.

Second, your argument that Android would have the exact same market share without Samsung but Windows Phone would have less market share without Nokia is what we would call speculation. Yes, Windows Phone would LIKELY have a lower share, but so too might Android. Or maybe, HTC and Samsung would have stepped up with Windows Phone with Nokia out of the way and earned Windows Phone even more market share than it currently has. Either way, this type of reasoning is highly speculative and neither of us can profess what would have happened had something happened differently.

Finally, I understand that your original comment was facetious, as I stated before. But what's worrisome is that you have now convinced yourself that it is also accurate? This confusion you are having is why I made my original comment in the first place, to try to prevent such inane logic from setting in too deep.

Really, there is no room for interpretation here. I am stating facts. You can either choose to understand this or not.

posted on 02 Apr 2014, 00:32

27. alterecho (Posts: 1059; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


"First,
Windows Phone =/= Nokia.
Android =/= Samsung.
These are facts, with no room for interpretation."
Yes, and where did i say they were?

"Second, your argument that Android would have the exact same market share without Samsung but Windows Phone would have less market share without Nokia is what we would call speculation.”
It is NOT speculation. I have first hand experience, to make the claim.

"Yes, Windows Phone would LIKELY have a lower share, but so too might Android.”
I’ve seen, in multiple instances, that Android users are more faithful to the Android OS, than the hardware.
That is, they switch between OEMs, and are not stranded to one.
Many people buy Samsung, most likely because, they have dedicated a huge amount of money, for the sole purpose of marketing.
They have also been leading in performance benchmarks. So word gets around that Samsung seems to be good.

"Or maybe, HTC and Samsung would have stepped up with Windows Phone with Nokia out of the way and earned Windows Phone even more market share than it currently has.”
The hardware and the extras that Nokia gives is more than what any other Android OEM or any other OEM , for that matter.
If Nokia had entered Android, it would single handedly dominated it AND Android’s marketshare would have been larger than what it already is.

"Either way, this type of reasoning is highly speculative and neither of us can profess what would have happened had something happened differently."
I can preofess to that.

"Finally, I understand that your original comment was facetious, as I stated before.”
It was not Facetious. It was relevent and appropriate to the context.

"But what's worrisome is that you have now convinced yourself that it is also accurate?”
I had a Samsung Windows Phone 7 device, before, but i couldn’t stand the OS so went and got myself the Nokia 701 running Symbian.
Symbian was/is miles and miles ahead of what Windows Phone is. It was lacking in smoothness of WP because it ran on an outdated ARM11 processor. I was tempted to get a Lumia, ONLY because of Nokia, and many WP fanboys convinced me that it was vastly improved over WP7, which i, unfortunately, found out late that it was not.
Even though the OS is same/as bad as WP7, i can tell you the extras provided by Nokia really enhances the experience.
Nokia HERE Maps, Nokia Glance, Nokia Mix Radio and the biggest of them all, Nokia Music.
I’m completely sure that, if i had gotten WP8 from some other OEM, the experience would have been worse.

"This confusion you are having is why I made my original comment in the first place, to try to prevent such inane logic from setting in too deep.”
That is NOT inane logic. That is FACT. Like it or not.

"Really, there is no room for interpretation here”
Yes. Windows Phone sells ONLY because of Nokia. I can vouch for it.

"I am stating facts.”
No.

" You can either choose to understand this or not.”
So can you.
I’m stating my, first hand, experience.

posted on 02 Apr 2014, 00:44

28. alterecho (Posts: 1059; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


EDIT:
"I can preofess to that."
Meant to say that i can say/profess what would have happened.

posted on 31 Mar 2014, 23:53 8

2. Furbal (Posts: 230; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)


Really liking my 1520. Glad to see Nokia gaining market back

posted on 31 Mar 2014, 23:56 2

3. Anshulonweb (Posts: 281; Member since: 07 Feb 2014)


" why is ios in images underlined in red.... I hate iphonearena for giving ios attention.... "..... waiting for this type of comment from fanboy

posted on 01 Apr 2014, 00:03

4. Salazzi (Posts: 131; Member since: 17 Feb 2014)


So you can only be a fanboy if you like Apple? I guess that's in line with modern day American stupidity, where only whites can be called racist.

posted on 01 Apr 2014, 01:38 2

10. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)


Not that your comment really has any relevance here(because it doesn't AND you misunderstood what the previous poster was saying) but to be racist implies that you have power(social, political, economical) over another race. In America, people of color(African, Spanish, Asian, etc...)don't hold any of the aforementioned power, therefore the race that does is the only race that can be racist. People of color can be PREJUDICED, but not racist. They have no power over any other race.

posted on 01 Apr 2014, 07:28 1

18. Guti986 (Posts: 21; Member since: 26 Dec 2013)


I actually think its because it's not a real word. Like they had spellcheck on or something. LoL

...And I just read the whole comment. So ignore mine. :)

posted on 01 Apr 2014, 00:15 1

5. Muzhhur (Posts: 240; Member since: 14 Sep 2012)


The tittle for % change is not correct, for example its shows on Android a rise of 3.8% that number is millions of devices

posted on 01 Apr 2014, 00:22

6. lucid.brat (Posts: 80; Member since: 09 Sep 2013)


When windows 8.1 aka blue is not out,windows phone is growing at rapid speed just wondering what will happen when 8.1 will be launched

posted on 01 Apr 2014, 00:38 2

7. joey_sfb (Posts: 2568; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


Waiting for Windows 9. Hope they get release soon.

Really looking forward to Microsoft focusing on their full Windows with a phone and sms utility riding on top. Furthermore, Intel Atom is getting more and more energy efficient by each generation.

posted on 01 Apr 2014, 03:09

13. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Ok...seems like WP is finally separating from BB. I give BB a few more years before they call it quits.

WP gaining so much and the iPhone dropping so much is the big news. Extremely surprised at the iPhone.

posted on 01 Apr 2014, 03:15

14. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


And if you look at the % dropped by iOS in the US...its because of WP and Android.

WP might be finally making some real noise. Forget Android....the iPhone better look out...

posted on 01 Apr 2014, 06:01

16. tasior (Posts: 173; Member since: 04 Nov 2012)


WP still miles behind Symbian when Elop started as CEO...

Once again, it's visible, that WP is fighting with IOS instead of Android. In Europe IOS is not specially valued, so WP is able to get some market share...

posted on 01 Apr 2014, 08:40

20. SIGPRO (Posts: 395; Member since: 03 Oct 2012)


Looks like ios is dying ahahah

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