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Windows Phone 7.5 Mango overview

0. phoneArena 17 Oct 2011, 07:23 posted on

The Windows Phone Mango update has finally landed, and it is time for us to go over some of the new goodies that Microsoft has thrown in the set. Why not all of them? Well, Microsoft went above and beyond with this one and added 500 or so tweaks and improvements to the platform. However ...

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posted on 17 Oct 2011, 07:48 9

1. ReturningToNokia (Posts: 130; Member since: 09 Jul 2011)


PhoneArena Staff: Flash is not missing - it will never be included with this platform. Thus, it is recommended that you do not state that it is missing as that can connote that Flash 'will be coming' at some point.

Mango has been out, officially, for a month, and this is all that PhoneArena could do in terms of a review? Also, this platform has over 30,000 apps in the Marketplace in just under a year of being on the market. PhoneArena, silly you.

PA readers: For the actual review of Mango, please visit TIMN, Engadget, ArsTechnica, Gizmodo, ZDNet, PCWorld.

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 09:48 2

16. remixfa (Posts: 14163; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


if it is not there, then it is missing. Android has it, wp7 and iOS dont.

Android runs it flawlessly.


What I think is funny is they make note of the fact that mango is catching up to features that others have had for a while.. well, isnt that what iOS5 just did? try to play catch up to some of android's long standing features?? lol

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 11:41 4

19. ReturningToNokia (Posts: 130; Member since: 09 Jul 2011)


@remixa...The ability to make and receive a call is standard and required; Flash is not. A phone does not NEED to have Flash functionality, otherwise ALL mobile operating systems and websites would utilize it as the defacto.

Flash is not missing from Windows Phone - It is not needed nor does Microsoft want it.

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 12:23

21. crankyd00d (Posts: 191; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


Well aren't you the poster child for mediocrity. If more consumers thought like you we would still be using stones to lit up fires (or maybe wood?), or everything our smartphones could do was make calls, then they wouldn't be smartphones anymore and we would not be reading this or other websites to get a better product with more/better features.

If your competitor has it then it IS a missing feature, simple as that

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 13:58 7

24. Dr.Phil (Posts: 931; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)


I am not a WP7 user, but I agree with those on here defending WP7. The reason it doesn't have flash is because it has support for HTML5. Which if you look up any PC article or any web browsing article, it is what the internet is moving towards There will always be a need for Flash for complex graphics, but in this case I think Microsoft decided people on their mobile phones didn't need to see those complex graphics. What I mean by complex graphics are those sites that have that slideshow pop up and you have to click skip to get to the actual site or if the site has a heavy interface with graphics. Now, WP7 also has support for Microsoft Silverlight which allows it to view some websites that use that as well. The point I am trying to make here is: if you like flash, great. But, is flash necessary when it comes to a phone? No.

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 12:27 4

22. Penny (Posts: 1264; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)


I'm with ReturningToNokia on this one, PhoneArena. In many parts of the review, it seemed as if the features were being very superficially described and/or downplayed. There was a more in-depth explanation of why you feel WP7 isn't comparable to Android or iOS than there was on any feature of Mango.

To name a few things:
- No mention of Live Tiles?
- You can easily get a dedicated Twitter App, if of course you just want to waste more time opening a single-function application.
- Facebook and LinkedIn are integrated as well as Twitter. Don't forget about those.
- No mention about the standard Messenger at all? The one-stop place through which you can chat with your friends via Text SMS, FaceBook, Live Messenger, and LinkedIn?
- Bing features - the point isn't simply that you can do these different types of searches, but that they are integrated into the OS and you can do each at the touch of a button. Simply press Local Scout to find places to eat, places to shop, and things to see near your location. Click visual search to scan a variety of media in real-time, from QR Codes to book and album covers, to text that you can then translate or simply copy to paste later. Not to mention reviews, prices, and retailers are then provided once you scan something. Music Search - basically a built in Shazam.

Overall, sorry to say PA, but you guys really dropped the ball on this one. I'm a fan of WP7, but objective enough to stick to the facts.

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 14:26 2

27. lubba (Posts: 1311; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


Look at the front page of this website. It tells you who the staffers of PA are. If its not iphone or android, you won't get a decent story. PA is a great site for some great news but they do show their biased views i think

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 08:05

2. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


is there like a Root or Jailbreak for WP7 phones?

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 08:35 2

4. GJanee (Posts: 214; Member since: 29 Jun 2011)


well ChevronWP7 was there at the time when the OS came out, but now they're supporting the real WP7 team, so i'm not sure about the JB thing. but the guys at XDA-Dev are always up to something, maybe you should look around there.

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 08:31 9

3. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)


I'll take this over Android any day

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 08:42 4

6. Dj21o (Posts: 437; Member since: 19 May 2011)


I agree. Depending on what ICS brings, I'll be switching as more become available. These phones are a great alternative to IOS and Android. They seem to have more catching up to do than most, but when they get there they will be huge.

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 08:46

7. greenroboto (unregistered)


AGREE

Android and Symbian is WWWAYYYYY better than this WP7.
WP7 icon looks boooooorinnnnngggggg....

to me, WP7 (metro UI) is just like Microsoft bob*....


*the biggest MS failure... lead by melinda gates....

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 09:00 3

9. Dj21o (Posts: 437; Member since: 19 May 2011)


Well they just added more support for live tiles. That is always more appealing than just having icons on your homescreen? Sure, it isn't live wallpapers, but it is pretty damn close. Pretty soon developers will be making "toggles" on the tiles, for switching WiFi, GPS, Data, etc. That would be something cool to see.

I don't think it is boring at all, but if you want customization, get an Android.

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 18:38 2

31. Schmao (Posts: 302; Member since: 05 Jul 2009)


You are entitled to have your own opinion, but I must disagree on this one. Neither Android nor Symbian are as you put it " WWWAYYYYY better than this WP7." They are different OSs for different customers. Each has its ups and shortcomings. That is the beauty of the Market nowadays. We have choice!

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 20:00

33. Dj21o (Posts: 437; Member since: 19 May 2011)


I agree, there is a vast majority of choice in what OS to go with nowadays. iOS-Standard, Android-Customization, WP7-Fluidity and fast responsiveness.

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 08:56

8. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


is there a reason behind your statement? or it's just as vague as you are?

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 11:57 4

20. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)


Why? It's my right to say I prefer WP7 over Android.

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 12:48

23. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


I'm not taking that away from you miz, I'm just asking why is it so. You always bash or underrate android with no reason. I think you should tell us why.

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 09:06 1

11. sonisoe (Posts: 336; Member since: 06 May 2009)


amen..

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 08:38 5

5. Dj21o (Posts: 437; Member since: 19 May 2011)


I'll probably sell my EpicTouch when a good Mango phone comes out. Simple is nice.

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 09:25 1

13. snowgator (Posts: 3293; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


Hope Sprint even supports it. As they push the iPhone, they used a picture of the Arrive to promote the buy back program that they are using to get more iPhones sold. It is covered in ivy in the picture as if it is a three year old device that is outdated instead of a half year old device that has just been updated to the latest software. Doesn't bode well for Sprints outlook of WP in the immediate future.

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 09:41 2

15. Dj21o (Posts: 437; Member since: 19 May 2011)


Yeah, that is a crappy commercial anyways lol. I just looked on EBay, and the phone is selling for around 200. In store is 450. They are getting outdated really quick. I hope I made the right move by getting the EpicTouch now, and then selling it, rather than waiting, because it could be months, if not years, until they get a decent one.

I don't really understand with the iPhone, the WP7 UI is gorgeous, if you don't like Android or iOS. The icon/grid thing is been there done that, to the point where they are copying off of eachother. I guess a Microsoft rep came into sprint, and has said that a decent WP7 should be in around November. He trained everyone on Mango and from what I heard, it was a good experience.

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 11:33 2

18. snowgator (Posts: 3293; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


THAT is good to hear. I wonder if that LG Fantasy is headed there. I was actually hoping it ends up on Verizon. That would be my loss and Sprints gain.

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 17:40

30. Dj21o (Posts: 437; Member since: 19 May 2011)


Knowing Sprint, Verizon will get it lol. I seriously have the worst luck. I'll hold my breathe. :P

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 09:02

10. karanstyle (Posts: 188; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


Same application switching exists with Android as well.
Only switching from 1 to another app the Android loads it from starting. Thank god atleast Windows Mango can hold upto 6 app.

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 09:19 4

12. snowgator (Posts: 3293; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


Not going to pretend it is a deeply integrated, mature OS just yet. But the experience is near flawless, the Mango updates to all devices shows Microsofts dedication to it's users, and we all know where Windows Phones is headed with WP8 on the horizon. You can purchase a second generation WP and know it will be supported.

The lack of expandable memory is mystifying to me, but most other missing features can be forgiven. I would rather it do everything it is designed to do well while it builds into a better OS than it try to do everything all at once and it be a crappy experience.

I do kinda agree with Returningto Nokia though- Phone Arena this is a very unimpressive write up for a Feature on Mango. I would like to add WP Central and WM Power User as a great sites to visit for a good write up on the features and abilities of Mango if you are interested in a full run down on what it does as well as what is still doesn't do. It isn't for everyone, but it is a great, smooth operating experience for those that like it.

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 09:35 4

14. Dj21o (Posts: 437; Member since: 19 May 2011)


Again, I agree with you Snowgator lol. I really think Microsoft needs to push these phones out asap. 4 million iPhones and 30 million GSII's have been sold this far. Who else will be left? Kids in India? This is a bad move from Microsoft, and it is sad because I really want a WP7. And a decent CDMA at that. The one phone I am limited to, sucks. Its not like they were the first to make the smartphone, or have the newest technology (processors, screens, cameras, etc.), so what is the hold up? If they don't hurry, they will be on bottom selling less than 300,000 units like last year. :(

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 10:16 1

17. rayjones09 (Posts: 149; Member since: 16 Dec 2010)


I've mentioned it before but I'm not sure if I've done so on this site. The supposed lack of features isn't the real problem, and here's why. Most of these features that WP7 is thought to be missing are present in Windows Mobile 6.5 and below. Multitasking as well as Copy and Paste were present in Windows Mobile amongst its vast array of features. Windows Mobile had more features than iPhone, so how did it fall behind? One of the primary means was by marketing. The marketing for iPhone (and other Apple products) was more like a branding of a generation while the marketing for Windows Mobile devices (and now WP7) are rare and far in between. Microsoft can run the features race all they want, but that isn't what will necessarily help them gain traction. A successful marketing campaign is needed. If they have that, they can lack features all they want, people will still buy their devices.

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 13:58 4

25. kemjus (Posts: 32; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)


Alright, I'm coming out of the closet on this one... I'm thinking I may switch to windows from android. I have messed around with all the high end windows phone and in summary... Mango just makes sense... its very simple and smooth.

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 16:11 1

29. Joshing4fun (Posts: 1054; Member since: 13 Aug 2010)


Agreed. Android has amazing customizing capabilities but along with that is a more choppy looking interface. Not saying its necessarily laggy, but it just doesn't flow and look elegant.

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 14:19 4

26. SemperFiV12 (Posts: 868; Member since: 09 Nov 2010)


I am running Mango and it is awesome... It was seriously downplayed in this article, but I also understand the viewpoint.

Point is, MS should have had half of the 500 features on the phone when it made its debut.

However, PA did not do a great job of reporting honestly (or unbiasedly at least) as Mango and a few of the features truly were heavily downplayed.

PS. No mention of threaded chat, deeper social integration, and renewed live tiles!

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 15:13 1

28. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


I think WP7 is just as great as iOS and Android. However, I believe they are lacking in outside community dev teams. A big chunk of smartphone users ( iOS and Android ) loves to modify their Os's by rooting and jailbreaking. I remember consumers threatening HTC that they will boycott the products if the EVO 3D bootloader will be encrypted.

Windows Mobile OS has a great future ahead of it. Looks greater if it will have a lot of custom roms for it.

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 19:29

32. lubba (Posts: 1311; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


Can someone explain to me this "customizing" that users tout on android.

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 22:28

35. Phaze0085 (Posts: 102; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)


I just read how the windows phone doesn't support flash. Does that mean I can't view youtube videos on the Titan? Also, does anyone think it be better to buy the phone unlocked or should I wait till it comes out on ATT?

posted on 17 Oct 2011, 23:15 2

36. SemperFiV12 (Posts: 868; Member since: 09 Nov 2010)


You CAN view Youtube videos on ALL Windows Phones... In fact (with Applications available in the Marketplace) you can record videos on your TITAN (or any Windows Phone) and the upload it on Youtube. You can even download Youtube videos so you can view them later on offline.

Flash and Youtube are not related. Flash few websites to load content sometimes being crappy advertisements, or interactive graphics....

And if I were you, I would go with the cheapest buy for the phone. The TITAN is a great pick!

posted on 18 Oct 2011, 05:41 1

37. mikkybukky (Posts: 2; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


Wp7 has over 35000 apps in the market place now, and has almost caught up with competition and its not even a year old. Give MS some credit. They hvae really worked their ass off. Am definitely getting Nokia wp7

posted on 18 Oct 2011, 09:39 1

38. Dj21o (Posts: 437; Member since: 19 May 2011)


Oh, WP7 is hauling ass. But they are not pushing out new phones to some of the biggest carriers (Sprint and Verizon). That could make their profit increase dramatically. The Arrive at Sprint is a mediocre phone (small screen, slow processor, keyboard). Verizon (Ok screen, ok processor) They really don't stand out that much. AT&T and T-Mobile have the big boy screens with the dual cores, etc.

People will buy them if they are offered. And they will never know that until they decide to take the jump. Same goes for Sprint, if they decide not to get the phones, it is because Android and the iPhone will give them more money, which they desperately need. Why would they buy WP7 if it doesn't sell? I read an article showing they sold 300,000 units in a year, that is done with Android and the iPhone in a month or so.

I just don't see it happening any time soon. That is why I bought my EpicTouch.

posted on 22 Oct 2011, 13:26

39. Lofty999 (Posts: 1; Member since: 22 Oct 2011)


Is this an update all windows phones will get? or do you have to buy a new one to get it??

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