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Windows 8 revealed as the ubiquitous touchscreen OS, Intel strikes back with Android compatibility

0. phoneArena 13 Sep 2011, 14:37 posted on

We'll know more when the developers preview hits the servers later tonight, but for now it seems that Microsoft has delivered a compelling answer to all of its critics questions...

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posted on 13 Sep 2011, 14:43 13

1. remixfa (Posts: 13930; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


I cant wait and I'll tell ya why.

Up until right now, tablets have been more toys than anything. Yea they can run a lot of apps, but there is tons of stuff that a regular computer can do that a tablet can. If this OS can successfully be backwards compatible with Win7 programs.. on a tablet.. that will vastly change the tablet experience that we have today. Apple and Google will both technically be playing catch up to Win8 to add in whatever functionality they see as "missing", especially if Win8 tablets take off in sales.

That and maybe we get starcraft 2 in tablet form.. :)

Man, competition is great.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 15:09 4

4. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Yes I also think that this will kill Crapple - and even might hurt Android a little bit.

Provided Win 8 on a tablet will give us those 10 hours of battery life. :D

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 16:16 5

19. E.N. (Posts: 2329; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


The only thing that this will kill (if anything) is Android and not Crapple. Crapple is sitting too comfortably on their throne right now.

But anyway, with all fanboyism aside I might consider this as my first tablet. These Apple and Android tablets just aren't cutting it for me. I want a tablet-PC not an oversized phone.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 22:38 1

30. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


Lol at kill apple and hurt android.. but i guess android doesn't havee anything to hurt anyways... I am a huge fan of wp7 and really really love the platform so I hope micrsoft will deliver.. i highly doubt this will kill apple though because by the time microsoft gets around to making this a reality, apple will also have time to prep similar tablets/oses if they choose to... and one thing I will say is that even if apple doesn't do it best, they sure do know what is up and coming.. if they don't think this is the future of tablet computing, I am not sure it is...

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 15:29

5. dandirk (Posts: 187; Member since: 04 Aug 2011)


The rub is that they mentioned software will be limited by chip...

Essentially software will still have to be Win8 ARM etc compatible.

In order for backwards compatibility, normal processors will still be required. Atom and AMDs new nettop/book processors will take advantage.

I think they probably did some improvements to memory management etc, but I think most of the savings are in the fact that explorer is NOT running by default just metro. The moment you launch one of those "full" win7 apps, memory/processor/energy requirements will jump etc etc.


Obviously I am talking out of my ass... but it sounds like Win8 essentially will boot to a stripped down OS (aka like those live bios OSs on some machines) for battery savings then start everything else when needed.

Not sure what this will mean for "normal" PC/laptops. I am sure there will be a way to run explorer by default... maybe most apps will update to the metro UI, but that will take time... Vista anyone????

Its a bold move for sure, they do risk pissing off full windows device users/enterprises.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 15:43 1

8. remixfa (Posts: 13930; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


dandirk,
that chip requirement is going to be a big confusion spot for people buying it. They better have giant "this tablet is backwards compatable" stickers on it to keep confusion down otherwise its going to piss off a lot of people.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 16:16

18. dandirk (Posts: 187; Member since: 04 Aug 2011)


Agree with you there remixfa... Guess we will have to wait for more info.

Excited by an MS product for once... homerun or crash either way should be fun!

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 17:24

22. remixfa (Posts: 13930; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


the 2 things that people love.. a runaway success or a slow train wreck.. lol

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 15:45

9. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Nope. From what I saw - the "Desktop" is just an App. It's not WP7 and then you click on "Desktop" and wait another 2 minutes for the actual windows to load up.

As for Arm\32\64 - I bet that they will have some kind of an internal system emulator to run x86 apps on ARM and vice versa. I doubt that MS will market this and say "Hey here's a windows 8 PC in tablet form but if you want to run Office 2007 you need to buy a PC lol".

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 18:15

24. pongkie (Posts: 503; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)


actually this why I haven't purchased a tablet yet, I think this is the one I want

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 20:00

28. firebo14 (Posts: 77; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)


A laptop will always wins because of a physical keyboard, and it's alot faster than a tab.

A very high speed laptop can play Metro 2033 only at 38fps.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 14:48 1

2. Niels (unregistered)


Android not the biggest enemy? Look at the sales numbers. Windows is the one that got to prove himself.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 15:00 1

3. Man2006 (unregistered)


Android is a very good OS, but I think eventually people get bored and would want to try something very new and different and that's what would make Windows 8 successful.
It's just like how when the first iPhone came out it was very new and offered something very different compared to competition, and then came Android, and now WP7/W8 came offering a very different UI.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 15:31 5

6. dandirk (Posts: 187; Member since: 04 Aug 2011)


Flat out if Win8 works and they merge desktop/phone/nettop/tablet OS properly...

Android will be toast.

It is risky, though... But its whats needed first to market and all.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 15:42 3

7. remixfa (Posts: 13930; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


i think in the long run, none of them will be "toast". I do however think that the ipad days will be over as it will be the least functional of the big 3 tablets unless they go a different route with them. It wont be over next year, but I do think that they will eventually settle into 3rd place behind MS and Android in the tablet space unless they drastically change things.

That is, of course, on the assumption that Win8 is a showstopper and not filled with crippling bugs that hurt it out of the gate. Either way, I think it will shake up the current tablet market quite a bit.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 15:46 2

10. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Apple? Different route? You gotta be kidding, unfortunately...

In 2022 iPads will still look like this:

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posted on 13 Sep 2011, 16:01 2

14. dandirk (Posts: 187; Member since: 04 Aug 2011)


I disagree... IF MS pulls merging the desktop/laptop and mobile environments next year, Android will be the looser.

Apple has and always will have their cult following... In the mobile market after RIM/Symb etc are all gutted and the big three go head to head in a more direct way, android will loose. Google doesn't have a viable desktop solution, I don't think chrome is it right now.

Apple hardcore fans aren't going anywhere, android doesn't have brand dedication to Apple's degree. Sure some of the cool factor will fade but their core is still there.

Remember MS HAS to pull Win8 off almost perfectly. Apple just needs to put an Apple that lights up on their product.

I do also think Apple won't ever go below 15% (worst case) of market, they have been in the market too long for MS/Android in any situation to drop them lower.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 16:26

21. Mr.Mr.Upgrade (Posts: 425; Member since: 30 Aug 2011)


Wtf u talking bout nummy, Android is taking over go back to school, do Ur homework

posted on 14 Sep 2011, 11:37

32. remixfa (Posts: 13930; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


dandirk,

Android cant lose. It has nothing to do with fanbase, but the fact that its free. With Windows there is always a huge liscencing fee associated in the build cost. So unless android gets seriously F##ked up somehow by google, I dont think we will ever see the end of the green robot. Its too ubiquitous. It can be put on anything and everything and customized to order.

You cant say that about apple or anyone else. In the end i think we will have a mirror of the PC market where the open platforms dwarf closed platforms like iOS. MS has a very strong chance of being the market leader in this segment if they do it right, and android will be a close second (or first if they mess up) because of how versatile the OS is. And andriod is getting a pretty rabbid fanbase.. it may not be a religious cult like apple's, but its pretty dedicated.

posted on 15 Sep 2011, 15:55

37. shayan (Posts: 148; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


actually, android can lose. the fact that its free, isnt important. linux is free. there is a lot of disturbutions of free linux and none of them can shake ms windows or mac os sales. and they are even better than both windows and mac.
yet there were some componys that investigate on linux and they no longer exist...

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 16:10

17. dandirk (Posts: 187; Member since: 04 Aug 2011)


sorry missed your points about tablet... I think tablets will be ok... extension of their current offerings (mango etc).

The desktop/laptop experiences may (or may not) effect the overall view of Win8...

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 16:08 4

16. Wioody (unregistered)


MS Please take my Money now!!

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 16:23

20. Mr.Mr.Upgrade (Posts: 425; Member since: 30 Aug 2011)


Last time I used a window was looking out one from inside the house

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 17:58 3

23. iHateCrapple (Posts: 734; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)


LAME!!

posted on 14 Sep 2011, 14:37

36. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)


Maybe you should consider jumping out of one next time around.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 18:55

25. toki (unregistered)


any video of the demo ?

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 21:37

29. gusto (unregistered)


slash gear has a 12min demo vid

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 19:20

26. shelley.bevacqua (Posts: 76; Member since: 27 Aug 2011)


When will the Windows 8 hit market? I can't wait to get my hands on one. So glad I read this blog. Thanks everybody ! I want a Windows Mango phone but some of the hardware is not up to current standards. If only the new generation of phones had higher screen resolutions,dual core chips and 4G.......Hurry up Microsoft.

posted on 13 Sep 2011, 19:47 1

27. denva (unregistered)


Microsoft is forcing metro ui on people. The phones have not been that successful. This is a big gamble for them. Google will have Anddroid running on Motorola desktops within the next few versions.

posted on 14 Sep 2011, 05:33

31. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


I agree that Ms is trying to force metro UI on people. And MS, people don't like the metro UI. Can't you please make something better ?

posted on 14 Sep 2011, 11:39

33. remixfa (Posts: 13930; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


i dont love it or hate it. its nice, but a little noisy for my tastes.

posted on 14 Sep 2011, 11:42

34. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


i'm downloading win 8 preview from MS developer site now. Will be nice to check it out !

posted on 14 Sep 2011, 12:26

35. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)


What does this mean for the relevance of Moore's law on the Wintel business model? Am I correct in assuming I can now consider the lifetime of my Dell PC (with Core 2 Quad Q6600) being effectively extended another few years with Windows 8? Maybe just a new monitor, video card and power supply along the way? Hmmm.

No wonder Intel is miffed at MS.

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