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Windows 8 referred to as "the new Vista" by Microsoft employees

0. phoneArena 17 Jan 2014, 13:28 posted on

Windows 8 is a tough nut to crack. Some people love it, and some people hate it (and whether or not your Windows 8 device has a touchscreen seems to be a big determinant in which side of the fence you fall on.) But, would you go so far as to call Windows 8 "the new Vista"? Because it seems that some Microsoft employees have been saying just that...

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posted on 17 Jan 2014, 13:34 9

3. corporateJP (Posts: 2431; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)


LOL...really, it's not that bad.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 15:35 4

29. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)


I use it everyday, and I like it.. I've been using Windows for 20 years so I'm a pretty good judge of a good OS.. Its not very different from 7 except some new features, which if you don't like them then you can simply not use.. Right❔

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 15:56 2

37. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)


What's with you and those awkward question marks?

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 16:57 1

47. papss (unregistered)


I believe he is typing with his Lumia and they have some icons/marks to use and its one. I could be wrong but ❔❕✅

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 17:22 1

53. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)


Lol❕.. Sorry.. Yeah, they keyboard on WP has the emoticon key front and center.. Its just as easy to use these ❕❔❕❔ than the regular marks.. Just a habit, and I don't even think about it... They do say that WP has one of the best default keyboards on the market.. Lol❕❕❕

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 13:35 1

4. milesboy5 (Posts: 178; Member since: 07 Nov 2012)


I really want to trade in my current 17" HP laptop for a hybrid. I have a Chromebook but for functionality purposes I would rather have a convertible windows PC

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 13:37 2

5. skymitch89 (Posts: 1310; Member since: 05 Nov 2010)


I think that the Metro UI would be great on touchscreens like phones & tablets, but not on regular laptops & desktops (regular laptops & desktops should run Windows like Win7). As for those hybrid tablet-laptops, they should make it so that when docked, it is a regular Windows desktop like Win7 but when not docked it runs the Metro UI.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 17:50 1

59. elitewolverine (Posts: 5188; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


they do, its called desktop mode. I use my pc for 3d modeling and nearly all my work is done in desktop. I have not been hindered one bit by metro. I like it, I like that in a jiffy it boots fast as hell, and when I need to do something real quick, the tiles are faster at times, like the email app or people app...etc.

On my 10.1 Asus its even more prefect. But the idea that people are somehow OS 'retrded' when they get into windows 8 is the people I wouldn't hire at work. Mainly because it tells me they are unable to perform critical thinking or usage skills. Not what I need in my line of work that deals with 5 different os's

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 13:38 4

6. ArtSim98 (Posts: 3535; Member since: 21 Dec 2012)


I love Windows 8. I still haven't seen any good reason to hate it... And I'm using it on a PC with NO touchscreen.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 15:41 2

32. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)


Exactly.. People just love to hate and complain.. Complain, complain.. The sad thing that makes it pathetic is that it's so obvious because they always pick on the new guy, or the smaller guy, and over dramatize the situation... It's usually fans of the "Majority" because they are obviously threatened to see the opposition make any headway in fear that the new guy will catch on... The sad thing is that they do this when they see much value in what the new guy has to offer, but immaturely could never give credit where credit is due... So, instead they hate....

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 15:47 4

35. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4493; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


I've been with Windows since I've been using computers, on Windows 3.1. And while there have been some bumps along the way, I could always make do. Windows 8 is the first version where I can't say that. There's been nothing I've done with my W8 machine that I've said "This is so much better than doing it on my Vista machine". You can say people are complaining or being petty, but being dismissive of their complaints isn't going to help, especially if you lose those customers. I'm sure BlackBerry and Palm thought the same way.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 16:01 3

39. Bilpocalypse (Posts: 301; Member since: 13 Oct 2012)


I personally like Win8 (including the new UI), but I think that MS is dropping the ball by not offering an alternative for those who don't like the new UI. Let those people live in the desktop if they want. You don't gain popularity by alienating people, and let's hope the next MS CEO understands that.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 16:20

43. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4493; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


And I have no problem with anyone liking the new setup. Everyone has different needs, but for me it just seems that I've actually lost functionality from previous iterations. I'd rather not switch, but if it gives me back that functionality it's what I need to do. Linux and Mac are options, but I'm concerned with software/program availability. Chrome books are also a possibility, but I'm not really jazzed on a internet connection dependent OS. If nothing else have a Windows version like 8 available along with say a business version more similar to Windows 7 for doing more traditional work. They used to have something similar like NT and server.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 17:27

54. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)


That's true.. I agree.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 13:40 7

8. Jyakotu (Posts: 844; Member since: 12 Dec 2008)


My laptop is a traditional laptop and Windows 8.1 runs great on it. Even without the touchscreen features, Windows 8.1 is a joy to use. I just love how fast it boots up and it runs smoothly on my Sony VAIO laptop. It is very possible to use Windows 8.1 without a touchscreen, as I do it everyday and so do many of my friends. Heck, I wouldn't want to touch my laptop screen unless it was one of those hybrid laptops.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 13:58 3

12. PBXtech (Posts: 1032; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)


Bring on W9 and the desktop environment devoid of live tiles, please.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 15:44 4

34. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)


You know you can just not use them, right❔.. In W8.1 you can have the OS boot in desktop mode.. So, what's to complain about... Sounds like you're just being petty.

I know what your real hang up is.. Its so obvious... It's kinda sad dude.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 15:57 4

38. PBXtech (Posts: 1032; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)


For your information, I've used Windows since 3.1, I know what it can do and how it works. W8 was a mistake on Microsoft's part and they're paying for it with poor sales. Just because I use Android for my phone doesn't mean I don't like Microsoft or use their products. Shallow on your part for thinking I don't like W8 because I'm an Android user.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 17:28

55. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)


Slow sales❔

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 17:53 1

60. elitewolverine (Posts: 5188; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


You can it's called desktop mode. You know that tile that says desktop? You can even boot into it. And if you have truly used it since 3.1, which I am skeptical about, but at the same time not since I have been on pc's since before 3.1. Live tiles has not hindered my usage of a pc one bit, and in many instances faster and easier. The fact that my mothers 10.1 tablet and my desktop are the exact same, makes helping them a tons easier. I hated when they were on droid or ios tablets.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 18:22 1

66. PBXtech (Posts: 1032; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)


Be a skeptic all you want, I'm a long time Windows user whether you believe it or not. The first PC I owned was Windows 3.1 but I've been using them long before that. I still remember using the old Commodore 64 units back in the day. Good times, when the Atari 2600 was considered state of the art tech.

As for the desktop mode in W8, it's not the same. For starters, the Start button takes you to the Metro start page. That's not even close to how the previous Start button works. You also have to use right clicks a lot in order to get options that were previously just there, such as shutting down and restart options. And I'm not a fan of the side panels that open up, so they'd have to be disabled. With all that tweaking in order to get it into W7 mode naturally, why bother? Speed? My system is more than fast enough. At the end of the day, there's no reason to upgrade and have to go through all that when previous versions work plenty fine.

I'll wait for W9. As odd as it is, MS does hit the mark every other version so hopefully W9 will be more of what us old Windows users have been wanting.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 14:11 1

14. FakeMatt (Posts: 36; Member since: 02 Aug 2013)


WIndows 8 isn't that bad. Vista wasn't even that bad either. Yes, it has been adopted poorly in the market, but just for usability, I don't have a problem with it. If you consider your OS a glorified app launcher, then Windows 8 gets me to what I want to do just as quickly (if not more quickly) than any previous version of Windows has done.

People complain about the Metro interface taking up the whole screen, but how often did you open the Start Menu (to launch a program) while simultaneously performing another task in another window?

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 14:27 3

16. NexusKoolaid (Posts: 481; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)


Plenty of times! When I open the Start Menu, there are often other windows open on my screen. I am viewing those windows, looking for changes or activity, as I open my start menu. Tasks aren't only those things that users are doing to the computer - observing the information that the computer is presenting is a task, intangible to the OS but very tangible to the user.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 17:56

61. elitewolverine (Posts: 5188; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


SO while you were searching through the start menu that has you look at a menu to find things, you were simultaneously eyeing your program for information and changes? I call BS, just me but I smell BS. Plus all the functions one would use as a power user are in right click. No one used the start menu as an app launcher, at least no one in IT or that nature that I know of in my jobs. It was either on desktop or launched through links.

To each his own, I hated the start menu since 98, I am glad it is gone. Everything I need is in right click.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 15:41

33. VZWuser76 (Posts: 4493; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


Why would anyone buy a laptop or PC to use as a "glorified app launcher"? That's what mobile devices are. You migrate to PCs and laptops to get tasks done that can't be handled as easily or at all by a mobile OS. So now if they've dumbed down their workhorse to work just like their mobile devices, why wouldn't I just buy a mobile device? And there's talk that they want to get rid of desktop mode in the near future, if they do, they've lost a customer.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 17:58

62. elitewolverine (Posts: 5188; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


Other than business work, you and me are not the majority. I remember a stat last year or the year before that 80-90% of personal pcs were used as a glorified app launcher. Used to launch the internet, games, or music service and check emails.

Considering win8 has all that at the touch of a tile, with live information to boot, they did not dumb it down. They tuned it to what people use a device for.

I use desktop 90% of the time, it has not hindered my abilities to use multiple monitors, hard drives, raid support, 3d modeling and GIMP or play games. This hate for a thing that is 'hidden' over 99.5% of the time if not more, is amazing.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 14:20 6

15. JerryTime (Posts: 468; Member since: 09 Nov 2013)


I personally love Windows 8, but to each his own. I can see where people struggle with it too, its human nature to fear change.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 14:30 5

18. NexusKoolaid (Posts: 481; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)


To change and to improve are two entirely different things.

And so is fear and disdain for that matter.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 17:29

56. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)


Yep.. Well said.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 14:29 1

17. REXTECH (Posts: 15; Member since: 04 Dec 2013)


I have a Dell inspirion with W8.1 and touchscreen. I love it and I didn't find anything that I don't like. ......

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