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Windows 8 referred to as "the new Vista" by Microsoft employees

0. phoneArena 17 Jan 2014, 13:28 posted on

Windows 8 is a tough nut to crack. Some people love it, and some people hate it (and whether or not your Windows 8 device has a touchscreen seems to be a big determinant in which side of the fence you fall on.) But, would you go so far as to call Windows 8 "the new Vista"? Because it seems that some Microsoft employees have been saying just that...

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posted on 17 Jan 2014, 14:32 2

19. Gothbeard (Posts: 54; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)

W8 (and 8.1) is the worst OS since Millennium edition. If I wanted to turn my desktop into a tablet I would put android on it not this dreadful Microsoft OS. If I could be bothered to go through the whole reinstall business again I would go back to Windows 7.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 17:59

63. elitewolverine (Posts: 5116; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)

press the desktop tile, its your friend, also look on how to boot into desktop mode. I had no clue you spent a majority of your time, in the start menu....just saying

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 14:33 2

20. k1ng617 (Posts: 264; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)

Writing this on the latest gen i7 on Windows 8.1 and it's slower than my work dual-core desktop from like 2008. I think it's because of the OS, but I guess ultrabook hardware could just be junk too.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 14:38 1

21. jstchilln (Posts: 10; Member since: 13 Apr 2008)

There were high hopes for Windows 8 to bring back some interest in PCs, or at the very least to steer consumers towards PC/tablet hybrids, but so far the public has been reluctant to choose Windows over Android or iOS offerings.

And so you design an OS that mimics a phone. What a bunch of idiots. I changed our houses WIFI password the other day and every device was easy to change except the Win 8 laptop. As a Semi power user and a user since 3.1 I know how to navigate and do anything I want to do with all previous versions. I cannot even begin to count the number of times I have wanted to throw the Win 8 laptop out the door in frusteration. I have a full version of Win 7 that I bought for my desktop and I have decided that I will finally build my own desktop with Win 7 instead of buying a ready built with Win 8. I usually do not call people names but only an idiot would aleinate a loyal customer base when the industry is going through a culture change with phones and tablets.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 14:41

22. Jeradiah3 (Posts: 1031; Member since: 11 Feb 2010)

WOW, that hurts!! Thats not the right thing to say when we all know how "Vista" went down lol

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 14:48 1

23. Scott93274 (Posts: 4274; Member since: 06 Aug 2013)

lol, but Vista was the new ME. lol, this says a lot about Windows 8. It is to be expected though, Microsoft always releases a dud operating system between successful ones.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 15:23

26. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3918; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)

And I made the mistake of going from XP to Vista, skipping W7, and picking up W8. As far as W8 being acceptable in the "sales and marketing" over Vista, when Vista came out you could still buy W7. With W8 it seems like overnight all you could get was W8. Believe me I tried to find a copy of W7 to try and salvage my laptop.

It just seems funny that they had winners in Windows 98, XP, and 7, but in a rush to get you to buy their latest and greatest we ended up with ME, Vista, and now 8. I guess I'm gonna have to eat this and pick up W9 when it comes out and get on the right upgrade path (every other release).

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 15:34

28. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3918; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)

Just to clarify, I'm not anti Microsoft, I've been using them since I started with PCs. I didn't go the Mac route because the cost didn't seem to justify what you got, for the same money you always seemed to get a smaller screen, less storage and ports, etc. With the Mac, along with many programs not being compatible (though that may have changed since I last looked at them). But if MS keeps down this path, I may just switch. My W8 machine is so frustrating that I've barely gotten a full weeks of actual use out of it, and I've owned it since October '12. It's just not as intuitive to use as previous versions were. I guess I'll have to wait and see where MS goes from here before I decide which OS to go with.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 16:29 1

44. chebner (Posts: 214; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

Win 7 is still readily available n the marketplace. Visit NewEgg or any other retailer that specializes in computers or office equipment/supplies.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 16:40

45. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3918; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)

That was news to me, all my local retailers said it wasn't available anymore, even where I bought it (OfficeMax). I shouldn't have taken them at their word. Now hopefully I can find drivers for the hardware.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 17:00 1

48. chebner (Posts: 214; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


posted on 17 Jan 2014, 17:07

49. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3918; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)

I've found it at a few places since I actually went to search the net for it. Now the problem appears to be finding drivers (which HP doesn't offer) and apparently they changed things with the BIOS to make it more difficult to install a different OS on it. Will take some research to see if I'm capable or I need to get to get someone more qualified to tackle it. But thanks for the info!

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 18:04

64. elitewolverine (Posts: 5116; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)

the idea that you had no clue that windows 7 was still available shows that you have believe a lot at face value. That you using pcs for years on end and didn't do a simple google search for how many months?

The idea that you have gotten a weeks worth of work done when you still have the desktop. Is amazing, seriously amazing. Not to be a prick, but did you stare at the start menu all day and do no work?

These statements in this thread alone is truly wth type of stuff. Maybe change is hard for people, I could see that but a weeks work since Oct 12? When the desktop mode hasn't changed other than the start menu? wth indeed.

Sorry for being a prick but damn wow.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 19:55 1

69. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3918; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)

Who said I was using it for work? I usually use my laptops for video recording and editing, not as a business, but for friends and family. There are a ton of home movies to record, plus I also transfer slides to computer. At this point with what I have yet to do will take me through the end of the year. If I've got to spend too much time screwing with this I'm going to fall too far behind. I planned on picking up a new laptop to make things easier for me. If I'd known that 8 was going to be as difficult of a transition for me, I wouldn't have bothered. All of this is for helping out other people, in my spare time. The reason I've only gotten a weeks worth of use out of it is if I've got to spend time figuring out how certain things work in desktop mode, vs just doing it on my old machine, I end up using my old machine.

What amazes me is how some people can't see how anyone cannot like Windows8 or have gripes with it. We know it has a desktop tile, but the functionality is not exactly the same. I'm sorry but I liked the old start button. I'd rather go there than keep doing a search to find what I need. Most people waiting for 8.1 were hoping for a start button. The ability to boot into desktop mode is pretty meaningless, since all you have to do is click the desktop tile after you boot into Metro.

I get there are plenty of people who like 8 the way it is. The point I'm trying to make is, there is a much bigger learning curve on Windows 8, whereas any previous version most changes were intuitive. Some of us don't have the time to mess with it. Since it sounds like drivers are going to be an issue transitioning to Windows 7, I'll probably end up selling it and running my Vista machine till it dies and make a decision at that time.

Maybe I did blindly trust people, because I haven't really kept up with the ins and outs of this stuff recently. I've had little free time due to family stuff, and decided to leave it up to the people who were supposedly well versed in this. That was my mistake. Guess I'd rather be trusting than a prick.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 21:52 1

71. chebner (Posts: 214; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

I have no problem with change when it is a change for the better that enhances the experience. In my short time with Win8 I would completely agree that if you are using a touch device then Win8 and the Metro UI is a huge step forward over the legacy desktop interface.

However if you are using a non-touch device the Metro UI is clunky at best. Yes, it works, but all the interface changes that are intuitive with a touch device are lost when using a mouse. Win8 would have been MUCH more successful had they left the desktop fully functional as it is in Win7. Then the user could choose, new Metro UI or legacy desktop. It would also enable the user to get used to the Metro UI over time instead of baptism by fire.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 15:41

30. reh1965 (Posts: 19; Member since: 06 Dec 2013)

W8.1 works quiet well. It's fluid and yes it takes some time to adept. That's all.. And hate is for dumb people... Grow up

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 16:56 2

46. chebner (Posts: 214; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

See post 18 above, it is spot on.

Win8/8.1 may work just fine, I really wouldn't know. I attempted to use Win8 on a friends laptop for about 10 minutes. That was long enough for me to conclude I will never move to Win8.

I can respect MS's goal of having one product for all devices. If you think about it seems like a great idea, the same interface for all devices. But the problem is a phone/tablet and a deskto/laptop PC are very different devices.

I'll take everyone's word for it that it works great on touch devices, and I'll conced that it can work just fine with a non touch device. The problem is that MS didn't leave the option for the user to choose a fully functional desktop interface if that's what they want to use. The choice should be up to the consumer to decide which interface to use. There should be an option of choosing a fully functional desktop interface, it should be that difficult to add.

I guess they are leaving this choice to consumers, but in a way that that will only hurt them. I have made the choice to stick with Win7. I refuse to pay money for something that is designed to make my life more difficult. I will not upgrade to a new OS until they bring baca real desktop interface.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 15:41

31. reh1965 (Posts: 19; Member since: 06 Dec 2013)

W8.1 works quiet well. It's fluid and yes it takes some time to adept. That's all.. And hate is for dumb people... Grow up

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 16:17

42. tigermcm (Posts: 851; Member since: 02 Sep 2009)

I see some bitter post here. All my tablets, laptops, and desktops have 8.1 and no issues at all. What are you guys doing or downloading to have so many issues?

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 17:18

51. Ikechukwu (Posts: 201; Member since: 03 Oct 2011)

You don't say, I absolutely love it. Windows 8.1 is beautiful.

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 23:18

74. bakarock (Posts: 53; Member since: 29 Aug 2013)

I love Windows 8, but hate Windows PHONE 8, cuz Windows Phone 8 = PRISON...

posted on 17 Jan 2014, 23:34

76. fanboy1974 (Posts: 1345; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)

I hate it in it's current form but price the best version for $30 I would love it. I would probably then invest in a touch screen monitor.

posted on 18 Jan 2014, 01:10

77. Hanischok (Posts: 1; Member since: 18 Jan 2014)

Just adopted windows 8 and even though no touch screen on the laptop, works really well If windows 8.1 works as good as vista, i'm happy used vista for 5 years with self built pc's and overclocking never had 1 crash

posted on 18 Jan 2014, 01:45

78. Edmund (Posts: 656; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)

Where does that put chrome OS - on par with Windows ME ??

posted on 18 Jan 2014, 04:22

79. surethom (Posts: 612; Member since: 04 Mar 2009)

Poor sales are down to the fact that PC's & laptops now last much longer so you do not need to upgrade to a new one for at least 4 to 5 years, the memory & processor are fast enough.

posted on 18 Jan 2014, 07:03 1

82. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1531; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)

MS CEO Ballmer Stated Windows 8 would be a big gamble before it came out. it and Windows 8.1 are a Hybrid Mouse and Keyboard/Touchscreen OS. I love Windows 8.1
and prefer it over windows 7 but a lot of People do not. therefore it would be very wise and Intelligent for Microsoft to make an updated version of Windows 7 for Windows 9 and call it
Windows 9D for desktop and also have Windows 9T be an vastly updated Windows 8.1
for all touch screen Tablets, and all in one desktops with a touch screen and Laptop/Netbooks/Ultra books that have a touch screen. this way would have the right choices
of operating systems that people can use for the Right devices.

posted on 19 Jan 2014, 11:55

87. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1531; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)

People info has just come out that Microsoft will go to Windows 9 in 2015. if this is true Folks then! Microsoft can kill all the complaints and loss of Windows customers if it got over Windows 8 and 8.1 by making an updated version of Windows 7 and call it Windows 9D. this 9D skew of Windows 9 would look like and work like old Windows 7 but would have no Modern UI Tiles and it's store. Windows 9 versions would have an upgraded version of Windows 8.1 for all touch screen connected devices. this is the best way for Microsoft to go. MS would keep all it's Desktop FANS and Windows 8.1's successor OS
would be where it belongs ONLY on touch screen Tablets and touch screen Hybrids

posted on 19 Jan 2014, 14:36

88. TheRetroReplay (Posts: 254; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)

I like Win 8 and I'm running 8.1 which is much better, the problem with it though is the people look at and and say "It's different so it sucks" and people were saying that before it even came out, they weren't even willing to give it a chance.

posted on 20 Jan 2014, 04:57

90. speckledapple (Posts: 892; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)

Windows is NOT the problem. No amount of software can bring back an industry that has been stuck creating plastic cases with computer components inside and call them computers. OEMs are the main responsible party in this and how the PC market has been failing on its back for years upon year even while Win 7 was out. I love new technology and would have already bought a new laptop already if there was something out there worth getting. Sadly it is not and I am still using my laptop from 6 years ago. Give me something worth my time and I like many others will consider buying it.

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