Windows 8 referred to as "the new Vista" by Microsoft employees
0. phoneArena 17 Jan 2014, 13:28 posted on
Windows 8 is a tough nut to crack. Some people love it, and some people hate it (and whether or not your Windows 8 device has a touchscreen seems to be a big determinant in which side of the fence you fall on.) But, would you go so far as to call Windows 8 "the new Vista"? Because it seems that some Microsoft employees have been saying just that...
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11. Finalflash (Posts: 2692; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
Damn, wonder how the MS fans are going to justify this one. Calling the employees that made it retards isn't going to be the same as calling a random commenter such.
13. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
Kind of sounds like a large group is referring to it like such to break camp and make a story on the net.
That will hurt some, but not the majority that don't want that gui forced on them one way or another.
27. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
I'm a fan of the W8.. That's all that matters to me.. It works great with my WP device, and I love all the new modern features it has over Seven.. What's to justify❔All that matters is if you like something.. You can't always worry about what other think, or what the majority likes.. Some people aren't afraid to be in the minority because they'd rather please themselves than follow..
Spoken from a true WP fan.. Lol❕
36. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10407; Member since: 14 May 2012)
W8 isn't bad, and looks great, but Mac OS X is almost in every way superior imo. I switched over last year and don't plan on going back.
40. Extradite (banned) (Posts: 316; Member since: 30 Dec 2013)
Windows is windows, and Linux Ubuntu. Nothing can come to close to these 2! MacOsx limitations just like it's crap Ios caged platform...
50. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Nothing wrong with that.. Whatever works best for you.... Good to have options.
67. XperiaFanZone (Posts: 1986; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)
I don't understand why you call users troll when they talk about something that's not mentioned in the article, when you do the same.
75. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10407; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Article is about W8, which I gave my opinion on. How is that NOT directly related?
72. jove39 (Posts: 1741; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
I want to switch too...but cant get over spending $2400 on 15” MBP!
41. Ravens (Posts: 7; Member since: 07 Nov 2013)
I don't think most of the hate was OS on the phone. It actually makes more sense on windows phone and tablets and so on. The problem is when I'm on my main computer and forced to comply with this new gui that didn't seem to directly increase my productivity.Don't take this wrong, some people do appreciate this new gui, but I would appreciate "options". That's just my take on it however.
52. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
You do have the option to have W8 boot from the desktop... That's more options than you had with W7.. Think about it.
70. Ravens (Posts: 7; Member since: 07 Nov 2013)
But it was built upon the vision of windows 8 through metro or modern or whatever it's called now. So it feels very much intertwined with it. I'm not sure how far windows is now with it, but I have a bunch custom stuff on so that I don't have to ever go through "metro" for anything at all. So yes as you said, options, but I question if booting directly to desktop saves you from "metro". If it does now with the windows updates, great. I'm just not to sure. Maybe someone can inform me.
73. N-fanboy (Posts: 543; Member since: 12 Jan 2013)
Be honest. W7 vs W8 on a device with no touch capabilites. W7 all the way. I tried windows8 on a friend's laptop and hated it. It is confused... It doesn't know if it wants to be a tablet or a desktop OS. I hope M$ fixes it.
80. lallolu (Posts: 438; Member since: 18 Sep 2012)
I felt like that at the beginning but after 3 days I got used to it. The UI change is almost like using a new OS like the few times I use mac OS, it seems confusing since I am used to windows.
That being said, I win8 is a good OS, it just has a learning curve before one gets used to it.
84. PBXtech (Posts: 1032; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)
Like how the keyboard pops up on the screen when you hit the search box, even though it's installed on a laptop. For some reason it doesn't recognize the built in keyboard but defaults to tablet mode with the on-screen keyboard until you actually start typing. No idea how they missed that.
86. tuminatr (Posts: 751; Member since: 23 Feb 2009)
i aggree with you my wife bought a surface and loves it, however I would not want the w8 experance on my desktop. She is ready for a phone upgrade and is concidering a windows phone , I will be suprised if whe gives up her fassion statement apple product
89. Droiderr (Posts: 34; Member since: 05 Mar 2013)
On a PC i always prefer win 7. Win 8 seems a bit complicated and not that user friendly but that may be because I have very less experience with it.
But WP8 mobile OS really sucks. There are more than 100 things that an android phone but a windows phone cant.
Trying playing an mkv file. To my surprise there's no way a windows phone can play the codec.
24. PootisMan (Posts: 245; Member since: 02 Aug 2013)
The new vista seems like a very appropriate name. I hate windows 8!
2. Miracles (Posts: 560; Member since: 31 Aug 2013)
Microsoft needs to work on improving windows 8....not jump to make a new OS and call it 8.2 or whatever.
I hate seeing the "Update to 8.1 for free" tag every-time I enter the Store. Also the following.."This app works better in 8.1"...why can't they just make it work better in windows 8?
The reason I'm not willing to upgrade to 8.1 is that my laptops hardware will get messed up because of Microsoft's poor attempt at a software upgrade.
7. ArtSim98 (Posts: 3535; Member since: 21 Dec 2012)
If it can run W8, why couldn't it run W8.1?
9. Miracles (Posts: 560; Member since: 31 Aug 2013)
I can run it, I just don't want it to. There is problem when upgrading to 8.1 The touchscreen becomes disabled after the upgrade including the home button and various other problems.
57. elitewolverine (Posts: 4909; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
SO miracles, you upgraded to 8.1 and it disabled the touchscreen? Sounds like a one off error, considering the entire OS is touch screen compatible. I take it you reinstalled windows 8.
I find it hard to believe, but its software I have seen crazier things working in tech.
I have 5 touchscreen devices with win8.1 and a nonstouchscreen 8.1, all worked without a hitch.
65. Miracles (Posts: 560; Member since: 31 Aug 2013)
I'm not the only one with the problem....there are many others that are posting online with the same issue. So its must be the W8.1 upgrade. I doubt this is a problem on the manufactures' side.
10. CanYouSeeTheLight (Posts: 1115; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
Because W8.1 has a few little problems? When i first installed it my laptop would reboot with a blue screen of death when trying to play a game, or the fact that many people had issues with fastboot/adb commands on rooted phones myself included.
25. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3538; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
Mine just loses sound randomly. It's not program dependent and there isn't a volume slider that's turned down. It just happens randomly and usually a reboot will solve it, but not always. Didn't have this problem before the 8.1 update.
The funny thing is, calling W8 the new Vista is an insult to Vista. There are things I could do with Vista that I can't accomplish with W8, like streaming a video from any site and watching it on my TV. With Vista I could stream any video and output it using the HDMI out. With W8, the HDMI output doesn't work in desktop mode, and the W8 or Metro interface can't playback many different streams. As far as usability, W8 feels like a step back compared to Vista. Just my experience though.
58. elitewolverine (Posts: 4909; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
VZW, again that sounds dubious, because HDMI out in desktop is supported.
What would be more credible than saying all 8.1 disables hdmi out via desktop mode, is saying what pc you have, and what device make/model/driver you are using for HDMI output.
68. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3538; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
HP dv6-7226nr laptop. Don't know the driver specifics, and this wasn't on 8.1, this was on 8. A popup came up saying that HDMI out wasn't supported in desktop mode. I assumed that meant that it wasn't natively supported in Windows8. It doesn't sound dubious that HDMI out is supported in some instances of Win8 but not others because of the driver? HDMI out should be as standard as USB.
85. CanYouSeeTheLight (Posts: 1115; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
Never had that problem with W8.1, my Samsung laptop can output through HDMI to my TV without problems.
29. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
I use it everyday, and I like it.. I've been using Windows for 20 years so I'm a pretty good judge of a good OS.. Its not very different from 7 except some new features, which if you don't like them then you can simply not use.. Right❔
37. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10407; Member since: 14 May 2012)
What's with you and those awkward question marks?
47. papss (unregistered)
I believe he is typing with his Lumia and they have some icons/marks to use and its one. I could be wrong but ❔❕✅
53. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Lol❕.. Sorry.. Yeah, they keyboard on WP has the emoticon key front and center.. Its just as easy to use these ❕❔❕❔ than the regular marks.. Just a habit, and I don't even think about it... They do say that WP has one of the best default keyboards on the market.. Lol❕❕❕
4. milesboy5 (Posts: 175; Member since: 07 Nov 2012)
I really want to trade in my current 17" HP laptop for a hybrid. I have a Chromebook but for functionality purposes I would rather have a convertible windows PC
5. skymitch89 (Posts: 1283; Member since: 05 Nov 2010)
I think that the Metro UI would be great on touchscreens like phones & tablets, but not on regular laptops & desktops (regular laptops & desktops should run Windows like Win7). As for those hybrid tablet-laptops, they should make it so that when docked, it is a regular Windows desktop like Win7 but when not docked it runs the Metro UI.
59. elitewolverine (Posts: 4909; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
they do, its called desktop mode. I use my pc for 3d modeling and nearly all my work is done in desktop. I have not been hindered one bit by metro. I like it, I like that in a jiffy it boots fast as hell, and when I need to do something real quick, the tiles are faster at times, like the email app or people app...etc.
On my 10.1 Asus its even more prefect. But the idea that people are somehow OS 'retrded' when they get into windows 8 is the people I wouldn't hire at work. Mainly because it tells me they are unable to perform critical thinking or usage skills. Not what I need in my line of work that deals with 5 different os's
6. ArtSim98 (Posts: 3535; Member since: 21 Dec 2012)
I love Windows 8. I still haven't seen any good reason to hate it... And I'm using it on a PC with NO touchscreen.
32. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Exactly.. People just love to hate and complain.. Complain, complain.. The sad thing that makes it pathetic is that it's so obvious because they always pick on the new guy, or the smaller guy, and over dramatize the situation... It's usually fans of the "Majority" because they are obviously threatened to see the opposition make any headway in fear that the new guy will catch on... The sad thing is that they do this when they see much value in what the new guy has to offer, but immaturely could never give credit where credit is due... So, instead they hate....
35. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3538; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
I've been with Windows since I've been using computers, on Windows 3.1. And while there have been some bumps along the way, I could always make do. Windows 8 is the first version where I can't say that. There's been nothing I've done with my W8 machine that I've said "This is so much better than doing it on my Vista machine". You can say people are complaining or being petty, but being dismissive of their complaints isn't going to help, especially if you lose those customers. I'm sure BlackBerry and Palm thought the same way.
39. Bilpocalypse (Posts: 301; Member since: 13 Oct 2012)
I personally like Win8 (including the new UI), but I think that MS is dropping the ball by not offering an alternative for those who don't like the new UI. Let those people live in the desktop if they want. You don't gain popularity by alienating people, and let's hope the next MS CEO understands that.
43. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3538; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
And I have no problem with anyone liking the new setup. Everyone has different needs, but for me it just seems that I've actually lost functionality from previous iterations. I'd rather not switch, but if it gives me back that functionality it's what I need to do. Linux and Mac are options, but I'm concerned with software/program availability. Chrome books are also a possibility, but I'm not really jazzed on a internet connection dependent OS. If nothing else have a Windows version like 8 available along with say a business version more similar to Windows 7 for doing more traditional work. They used to have something similar like NT and server.
8. Jyakotu (Posts: 844; Member since: 12 Dec 2008)
My laptop is a traditional laptop and Windows 8.1 runs great on it. Even without the touchscreen features, Windows 8.1 is a joy to use. I just love how fast it boots up and it runs smoothly on my Sony VAIO laptop. It is very possible to use Windows 8.1 without a touchscreen, as I do it everyday and so do many of my friends. Heck, I wouldn't want to touch my laptop screen unless it was one of those hybrid laptops.
12. PBXtech (Posts: 1032; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)
Bring on W9 and the desktop environment devoid of live tiles, please.
34. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3576; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
You know you can just not use them, right❔.. In W8.1 you can have the OS boot in desktop mode.. So, what's to complain about... Sounds like you're just being petty.
I know what your real hang up is.. Its so obvious... It's kinda sad dude.
38. PBXtech (Posts: 1032; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)
For your information, I've used Windows since 3.1, I know what it can do and how it works. W8 was a mistake on Microsoft's part and they're paying for it with poor sales. Just because I use Android for my phone doesn't mean I don't like Microsoft or use their products. Shallow on your part for thinking I don't like W8 because I'm an Android user.
60. elitewolverine (Posts: 4909; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
You can it's called desktop mode. You know that tile that says desktop? You can even boot into it. And if you have truly used it since 3.1, which I am skeptical about, but at the same time not since I have been on pc's since before 3.1. Live tiles has not hindered my usage of a pc one bit, and in many instances faster and easier. The fact that my mothers 10.1 tablet and my desktop are the exact same, makes helping them a tons easier. I hated when they were on droid or ios tablets.
66. PBXtech (Posts: 1032; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)
Be a skeptic all you want, I'm a long time Windows user whether you believe it or not. The first PC I owned was Windows 3.1 but I've been using them long before that. I still remember using the old Commodore 64 units back in the day. Good times, when the Atari 2600 was considered state of the art tech.
As for the desktop mode in W8, it's not the same. For starters, the Start button takes you to the Metro start page. That's not even close to how the previous Start button works. You also have to use right clicks a lot in order to get options that were previously just there, such as shutting down and restart options. And I'm not a fan of the side panels that open up, so they'd have to be disabled. With all that tweaking in order to get it into W7 mode naturally, why bother? Speed? My system is more than fast enough. At the end of the day, there's no reason to upgrade and have to go through all that when previous versions work plenty fine.
I'll wait for W9. As odd as it is, MS does hit the mark every other version so hopefully W9 will be more of what us old Windows users have been wanting.
14. FakeMatt (Posts: 35; Member since: 02 Aug 2013)
WIndows 8 isn't that bad. Vista wasn't even that bad either. Yes, it has been adopted poorly in the market, but just for usability, I don't have a problem with it. If you consider your OS a glorified app launcher, then Windows 8 gets me to what I want to do just as quickly (if not more quickly) than any previous version of Windows has done.
People complain about the Metro interface taking up the whole screen, but how often did you open the Start Menu (to launch a program) while simultaneously performing another task in another window?
16. NexusKoolaid (Posts: 455; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
Plenty of times! When I open the Start Menu, there are often other windows open on my screen. I am viewing those windows, looking for changes or activity, as I open my start menu. Tasks aren't only those things that users are doing to the computer - observing the information that the computer is presenting is a task, intangible to the OS but very tangible to the user.
61. elitewolverine (Posts: 4909; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
SO while you were searching through the start menu that has you look at a menu to find things, you were simultaneously eyeing your program for information and changes? I call BS, just me but I smell BS. Plus all the functions one would use as a power user are in right click. No one used the start menu as an app launcher, at least no one in IT or that nature that I know of in my jobs. It was either on desktop or launched through links.
To each his own, I hated the start menu since 98, I am glad it is gone. Everything I need is in right click.
33. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3538; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
Why would anyone buy a laptop or PC to use as a "glorified app launcher"? That's what mobile devices are. You migrate to PCs and laptops to get tasks done that can't be handled as easily or at all by a mobile OS. So now if they've dumbed down their workhorse to work just like their mobile devices, why wouldn't I just buy a mobile device? And there's talk that they want to get rid of desktop mode in the near future, if they do, they've lost a customer.
62. elitewolverine (Posts: 4909; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
Other than business work, you and me are not the majority. I remember a stat last year or the year before that 80-90% of personal pcs were used as a glorified app launcher. Used to launch the internet, games, or music service and check emails.
Considering win8 has all that at the touch of a tile, with live information to boot, they did not dumb it down. They tuned it to what people use a device for.
I use desktop 90% of the time, it has not hindered my abilities to use multiple monitors, hard drives, raid support, 3d modeling and GIMP or play games. This hate for a thing that is 'hidden' over 99.5% of the time if not more, is amazing.
15. JerryTime (Posts: 468; Member since: 09 Nov 2013)
I personally love Windows 8, but to each his own. I can see where people struggle with it too, its human nature to fear change.
18. NexusKoolaid (Posts: 455; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
To change and to improve are two entirely different things.
And so is fear and disdain for that matter.
17. REXTECH (Posts: 15; Member since: 04 Dec 2013)
I have a Dell inspirion with W8.1 and touchscreen. I love it and I didn't find anything that I don't like. ......