Windows 8 not hated as much as you might think
0. phoneArena 31 Mar 2013, 19:31 posted on
No doubt that you have read or heard an opinion or two (or twelve) about Microsoft’s latest operating system...
This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here
1. Timmehor (Posts: 599; Member since: 09 Mar 2013)
I think Windows 8 is more of a "don't judge a book by its cover", but yes, it still needs many improvements (which will be in Windows Blue).
6. AnTuTu (Posts: 598; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)
Windows 8 is one of the fastest and reliable OS platform I have ever experienced. Windows 8 pro is perfect for a tablet however, being a desktop user here are some improvements which MS may have to consider:
1. Let user enable or disable the metro UI
2. Introduce the Start button
3. Some different UI approach which is easy to use for a non - technical person
12. RohanM (Posts: 110; Member since: 15 Jan 2013)
Exactly.. bring back the start button & disable that f***g metro UI.
Metro UI is best for tablets but sucks for desktop.
42. Bilpocalypse (Posts: 301; Member since: 13 Oct 2012)
Don't disable, but make it an option. I personally like the metro UI on my desktop, because it is faster and simpler than going through the start menu and looks better than a desktop covered in shortcuts, I do, however, think those that don't like it should have the option to use the classic start menu instead.
16. SleepingOz (Posts: 2464; Member since: 22 Oct 2011)
"Let user enable or disable the metro UI."
18. PleaseBeObjective (Posts: 9; Member since: 31 Mar 2013)
Would you let your cows free? No. If you did that, you would not be able to milk them. Microsoft (Ballmer) has grand plans of milking us. It works like this:
1. Replace desktop with Metro.
2. When hackers find way to bring desktop back with registry hack, kill the registry hack to force people into Metro.
3. Users will get used to Fisher-Price Mickey-Mouse tile interface of Metro.
4. Third-party developers will be forced to write apps for Metro instead of desktop.
5. Microsoft tells all developers: "Developers!!! You will give us, for any Metro app, 20-30% of your revenue henceforth."
See? In order to get that 20-30% cut, they have to force developers to let go of the desktop, and the best way to do that (in their mind) is to kill it.
That's why they did not give you a choice of START menu or the Metro-sexual interface. To them, you are a cow, that needs to be milked.
26. sanjeevmax (Posts: 2; Member since: 31 Mar 2013)
it possible to enable or desable try ''start8''
25. sanjeevmax (Posts: 2; Member since: 31 Mar 2013)
download ''start8'' your ui problem will solve and see the video on youtube about it.
36. Pedro0x (Posts: 270; Member since: 19 Oct 2012)
You know that you can disable metro, you just need to know how.
41. PleaseBeObjective (Posts: 9; Member since: 31 Mar 2013)
For all the people who say, "just disable Metro with Start8", thanks. I already know that. (I am a Windows software engineer.) My point was not so much that the interface is different. We all know that Metro is little more than a shell on the Windows NT core. My point is that, as Windows users, you should be aware of Microsoft's intent. Think about it: If they would go through all that trouble to disable access to desktop, what other type of "herding" tactics lie under the hood?
Windows Phone is heading the same direction btw. It would be so much better if Microsoft were to return to an open platform.
43. Bilpocalypse (Posts: 301; Member since: 13 Oct 2012)
But they haven't "disabled" the desktop, and I don't believe they plan to. The platform is no less open than previous versions of windows (from what I have seen). The only thing missing from Win8 that users are used to is the start menu, which (after learning the advantages/disadvantages of the metro interface) I don't miss very much. All the functionality is still there, it runs faster than Win7, and actually has less compatibility issues with older software than Win7 did.
39. jlscott777 (Posts: 45; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
Most Definitely, and do the same for RT and WP8, then I will go for it.
8. schinnak (Posts: 77; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
huh! So this is not the April fool topic for the day? ;-)
2. jcpwn2004 (Posts: 314; Member since: 18 Jan 2012)
I have windows 8 on my laptop and really enjoy it, it's definitely sped up my aging laptop. That said, I don't plan on upgrading my desktop.
4. papss (Posts: 3376; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)
Huh? Loved vista? Hated xp? I think the exact opposite. I also loved 7 and like 8..
5. Joshing4fun (Posts: 1037; Member since: 13 Aug 2010)
I love W8. I think it much more user friendly and perfect for the average user. Nerds and offices will miss windows 7.
27. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 944; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
Go visit Tomshardware, or Anandtech, or any other legitmate PC hardware website, and you'll find that Win 8 works just as well as Win 7 for gaming....
37. Rehankhan (Posts: 323; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
no windows 7 is just better for gaming there is some bugs in win8 and no need to tell me where to go i already have seen how much gamers hate metro ui
7. jgcaap (Posts: 35; Member since: 22 Feb 2011)
don't take this news seriously is april fools!
10. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
But people are not liking this! Reading forums and other websites consumers are not liking this!
9. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Will be trying this out and see if its good, surely load time has been faster than 7.
Using DualBoot with Linux and Ubuntu.
11. RohanM (Posts: 110; Member since: 15 Jan 2013)
this is april fool for sure. hate win 8 from core of my heart. loved xp & win 7.
Vista was ok & buggy, though i liked vista's boot screen a lot.
30. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 2964; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
If boot screens are all you can talk about then yes, this is a prank for fools from the April department.
13. ahhxd717 (Posts: 300; Member since: 08 Dec 2011)
I actually like W8, but the OEMs need to figure out how to better calibrate their touch pads to get optimal experience from laptops. I like the gesture features, but OEMs are not integrating it so well into their laptops. It's hard to do, I'll give them that, but I think they should take advantage more of W8s potential.
14. knowah (Posts: 15; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)
Windows 8 is the best Windows to date. I think the start screen is excellent for keyboard and mouse.
But I also don't have a problem accepting and embracing new technology and features.
15. CX3NT3_713 (Posts: 1433; Member since: 18 Apr 2011)
I don't hate it, at all,, very clean simple look :-)
17. PleaseBeObjective (Posts: 9; Member since: 31 Mar 2013)
Windows 8 has to be the most repulsive OS that Microsoft put out.
And the article is misleading. It discounts the fact that, while Vista was disliked, the people who disliked it were using it on a daily basis and at least had some expectation of keeping it until they realized how buggy it was. By contrast, Windows 8 is hated from the get-go. Those Fisher-Price tile things...all the gimmicks with "sign-up for this/sign-up for that" always in your face, killing POP3 support to get you to sign-up for Outlook.com....this OS is all about vendor lock-in gimmicks.
I guess that's why Microsoft killed the START menu. They wanted to force all of us into Metro, so that developers would be forced into writing applications for Metro (and not desktop), at which point they would get 20-30% of each third-party Metro app sold. This is also the reason why the made it so that Windows RT tablets could not run native apps - they wanted to make sure they got 20-30% of every app sold for tablet.
Basically, they are sacrificing our end-user experience so that they can get their 20-30% cut. I can't believe they actually thought they would get away with this stunt.
51. Bilpocalypse (Posts: 301; Member since: 13 Oct 2012)
Maybe they made the RT version unable to run native apps because ARM processors require a completely different set of instructions that x86 processors, but I could be way off. Also, they never killed the desktop, they simply changed the start menu to the start screen. I'm beginning to doubt that you've even used windows 8 enough to make educated comments about this subject. Amusing that your handle is "pleasebeobjective" considering that I have not read one "objective" comment from you yet. Thou art a troll sir... nothing more.
52. PleaseBeObjective (Posts: 9; Member since: 31 Mar 2013)
Yes, you are way off. Of course, one is not going to take an x86 binary and run it directly on an ARM CPU. But that does not mean that an OS, running on ARM, cannot support native applications. Think about it: to create Windows RT, Microsoft took their own code, originally written for x86 (and MIPS, and other CPU's), recompiled it with the ARM compiler that they have had for ages and which is accessible to everyone who uses Visual Studio, and they were good to go. If I take MY x86 application, recompile it for ARM, and still cannot run it on Windows RT. So basically made it possible for themselves, impossible for third-party developers.
You are wrong about the START menu too. If Microsoft did not change anything, they would not have going through any effort to eliminate the hack that was discovered to bring it back.
And don't worry. Your words mean as little to me as mine do to you. I am writing for the general public, not you.
19. Jyakotu (Posts: 813; Member since: 12 Dec 2008)
Windows 8 is not as bad as people make it out. The only huge difference is that the Start Menu is replaced by the Start Screen. You can still get the benefits of W8, such as FAST boot up speed, and still use it like Windows 7. Majority of the time, I'm in the Desktop app, but I have downloaded and do use some Windows 8 apps from time to time.
21. xperiaDROID (Posts: 4812; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)
I must say that Windows 8 is not bad at all, especially the touch screen laptop with Windows 8 on it. It is just that shutting down the laptop will be annoying, because you need to sign out every time. But hey, Windows 8 is not bad all, you can download some famous games and apps from the Marketplace, and I love the Start screen too, EASY TO USE!
48. Bilpocalypse (Posts: 301; Member since: 13 Oct 2012)
You don't need to sign out. The shutdown option is in the charms bar.
22. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)
Windows 8 still need some polishing, I hope Blue update will fix that
23. GadgetsMcGoo (Posts: 163; Member since: 15 Mar 2013)
Windows 8 is the Vista, ME, and all those other Windows versions that were intermediates to the popular versions like Win7, XP, 95,3.1
28. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 944; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
Google fans like to voice their hate for Win 8, but it still kicks the f--k out of Chrome, and other Linux/Android variants. You can actually get working optimized drivers for Windows, and Adobe and Autodesk software are yet to appear on either Linux or Android. I don't love the Metro UI, but getting to the desktop mode is simple enough, and start8 is a no brainer to install & setup (yawn).
The open source crowd that spews endless hate towards Microsoft needs a good hard kick between the legs, and tape over their mouths. Enough of your ranting and pointless complaining: just shut the f--k up already!
29. jose.vu (Posts: 16; Member since: 28 Mar 2013)
I'm using Windows 8, and it's ok I think :D
31. yero789 (unregistered)
I don't know how about you guys,but I adore Windows 8 :D It's fast,fluid,modern,beautiful.What else do I need to be happy? :D
50. PleaseBeObjective (Posts: 9; Member since: 31 Mar 2013)
You need a paycheck from Microsoft.
If you go to Google right now and enter:
"fast fluid beautiful".
...you will notice that it is the official slogan from Microsoft for Windows 8. It is also the slogan put forth by all the Microsoft-sponsored shill-sites around the Internet. That means four possibilities:
1. You just happened to use the same official slogan by pure coincidence.
2. Microsoft brain-washed you into using their words.
3. You are a paid shill.
Something tells me that it is #3.
32. windroid (unregistered)
I absolutely love it!
Desktop mode to work, metro UI to play and relax, seems like I have two OS. Just add the "Quick Launch" toolbar to the taskbar and you will not miss the start button. If you really need it, just install Classic Shell.
33. iammobilechris01 (Posts: 7; Member since: 01 Apr 2013)
Windows 8 is one of the fastest and reliable OS platform I have ever experienced.
34. Ikechukwu (Posts: 124; Member since: 03 Oct 2011)
This version of windows works like a charm, it's fast and fluid. I have no big issues with it but a few things need be fixed.
35. techsavvy.jaz (Posts: 96; Member since: 07 Feb 2012)
I have a mixed bag of experiences with Win 8, until now, it has been stable, fluid and functional apart from few frustrations created by the gestures. But from the last few days it behaves like Vista's soul has taken over it, hangs every now and then, specially when right clicking on a folder, takes a year to check for the updates, wont update most of the times, and the worst part is the Windows 8 proprietary apps have stopped working. I have availed the update offer and now when I try to contact MS, they say they wont support this version now.. Back to Dual boot with Windows 7 and Ubuntu.
38. trhopk (Posts: 2; Member since: 01 Apr 2013)
Unless your IT department has locked out shut-down, there is no reason why you would have to log out of Windows 8 before you shut it down. Ctrl-Alt-Delete will pull up a screen with power options in the bottom right hand corner.
40. DontHateOnS60 (Posts: 787; Member since: 20 Apr 2009)
This is the biggest problem with Windows 8:
You NEED a touchscreen in order to use it.
Sure you can use a mouse alone, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense when you do that. This is the biggest problem it has going for it. My Aunt and cousin, neither of whom understand anything about computers, went from Windows 7 to Windows 8 computers, and both were and still are having a difficult time with it, and its because the fact that it was designed as a touchscreen operating system and nobody can afford to buy touchscreen computers where it truly shines.
44. PleaseBeObjective (Posts: 9; Member since: 31 Mar 2013)
I just got off the phone with my brother who does tech support for what you might call the "Super-Rich". These are the types of people who will actually fly him around the country to fix stuff. Yeah, they are spoiled, but that's not the point. The point is that he said that, without exception, EVERY single one of his clients who upgraded to Windows 8 are, at the very least, confused, and the worst, hate it with a passion. He said the #1 answer that the gets when he ask them why they bought Windows 8 machines was, "Because it was the newest thing." He said that all of them are disturbed by "having" to link their email account to logging in. They don't know that it is optional.
Then he said something that kinda scared me, because as much as I knock Microsoft for this stupid stunt, I would like the Windows ecosystem to stick around for a while, since is the platform that pays my bills. He said, that, when the client becomes so mad that they are almost hurt and ask him what to do, he tells them...
"Buy a Mac." YUCK!!!
If you are a rep from Microsoft reading this, and would like proof that this is no lie (we are talking about people worth anywhere from $10,000,000 to $1.2 billion), send a reply to this post, I will reply back, and you can verify for yourself.
You really screwed up with Windows 8.
45. 7thspaceman (Posts: 897; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
There are 6 things microsoft should do to make Windows 8 "GREAT". 1=put an app in the Windows 8 store that allows a Windows 8 User to go directly to the desktop after they login if they wish to..forceing folks to use the Modern UI start screen is not acceptable to a lot of People. 2= Put a Modified start button on the desktop.3= put shorts cuts for the 5 Windows 8 charms on the desktop and 4= tiles for the search charm, Settings charm, share charm and the devices charm on the modern UI start screen so People cam more easily find them to use them. 5= Change the shape of the Modern UI tiles by putting round corners on the Modern UI tiles and 6= put better art work within them to represent what the modern UI tile's function is because to a lot of People the Modern UI tiles look homely ugly. the technology of the Modern UI tiles is great but the shape and art work within the modern UI tiles needs to be updated to look more appealing to People!
46. jroc74 (Posts: 3959; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
I like the comparison to XP.....
1. XP when it launched was considered a mess.....much like Vista.
2. XP didnt become better until SP2, and other updates and fixes.....much like Vista.
Majority of ppl that hate on Vista didnt stick with it for the latest fixes and SPs.
ONLY reason I installed Win 7 over Vista is because to get Vista running better I woulda had to do some extra lil tweaks that were out the box fixed on Win 7. And so many ppl moved on from Vista it was hard helping friends n family since they all had Win 7.
I had Vista installed since it launched. I got Win 7 when it launched...and just installed it last year. IMO MS needs to slow down with the desktop OS's.
47. charms55 (Posts: 41; Member since: 08 Nov 2011)
1=put an app in the Windows 8 store that allows a Windows 8 User to go directly to the desktop after they login if they wish to..forceing folks to use the Modern UI start screen is not acceptable to a lot of People.
"Push the GD button!" - Rush Hour. That is the first tile on my screen, but to be honest, it is not always the first place I go. I often go through news, People for notifications or recent Tweets, or to my FitBit tile.
2= Put a Modified start button on the desktop. The Start screen IS the start button. And from the Start Screen searching for a program, app or file is SOOOOO much easier and more accurate than glancing through the endless menu of the old start button. Right click and you have a menu to Control Panel, Task Manager, and many important locations. And with upcoming Blue, much of this will be even easier.
3= put shorts cuts for the 5 Windows 8 charms on the desktop. Why??? All U do is hover over the right side of the screen in either Start Screen or Desktop and the charms are there. One thing I have not missed on the desktop is the clutter of icons placed there mindlessly by installations. Just like your old menu, recently installed programs or Apps are popped to the end of your Start Screen.
4= tiles for the search charm, Settings charm, share charm and the devices charm on the modern UI start screen so People cam more easily find them to use them. "Argh" People forget that Tiles are NOT just static icons (in most cases), so unless you have links, Desktop pinned programs, the tiles are live in many cases, providing you with near instant information or access to content.
5= Change the shape of the Modern UI tiles by putting round corners on the Modern UI tiles. To each his own. Windows Blue will bring 2 more sizes to the tiles, helping to make the Start Screen even more customizable. Much like Windows Phone 7.8-8, a small grouping of IE links will be sufficient for me, while you can make that honkin' desktop Tile as big a life...hard to miss.
6= put better art work within them to represent what the modern UI tile's function is because to a lot of People the Modern UI tiles look homely ugly. Misses the point of the minimalist nature of the icons in the tiles, and admittedly, when too many live tiles are interacting with Photos, Desktop Photos, People Photos, Video Thumbnails, it can get easy to get lost.
In short, many of these complaints/suggestions indicate a lack of opening up to new possibilities of how to do things. The Charms, which are related to the apps that are opened or the desktop are a clear indication people have simply not even tried to use the built-in functionality. I still punch the desktop tile instead of opening the Task Manager on the left...out of habit. But I am learning! ; )
49. PleaseBeObjective (Posts: 9; Member since: 31 Mar 2013)
Windows 8 will sink Nokia if they are not careful.
53. PleaseBeObjective (Posts: 9; Member since: 31 Mar 2013)
IDC reported today that Windows 8 is responsible for a very large retraction in the PC industry.