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Why is Apple looking to hire antenna engineers?

0. phoneArena 30 Jun 2010, 11:28 posted on

Apple has been posting online, seeking three antenna engineers for the iPhone/iPad dating back to the day before the June 24th launch of iPhone 4...

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posted on 20 Oct 2010, 01:47

1. cc16177 (Posts: 312; Member since: 09 May 2010)


But... Steve Jobs says there's no problem? :)

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 16:18

18. PapaJay224 (Posts: 866; Member since: 08 Feb 2009)


I agree with gambino37, I just didnt want my post to be all the way at the bottom of the page. But when Verizon Moto Droid had issues with the battery back falling, off they offered FREE, yeah FREE, battery back covers for customers experienceing the issue. I agree Nintendo sent out FREE rubber bumper controller covers. A GOOD company will look after its people that invest in its product, not create a problematic device that requires the purchase of additional products just to function correctly. Its unfortunate, but good for Steve Jobs, that a company has made a product so desireable that people are willing to sacrifice EVERYTHING about a phone that makes a phone, for the iPhone, it makes me sick, more sick at the people that own them than Apple themselves. But shame on Steve, George Bush Jr., Jobs, for pretending this isn't an issue. For the price you pay for all his crap, month after month, year after year, this should be a no brainer. i will tell you one thing to, love it or hate it, Microsoft WOULD replace the part or give you the free Case, Verizon would, Nintendo would, all these respectable companies. It really proves that Apple is tight wad, selfish, preditors. I will not only for this, but millions of other reasons, never buy an Apple prduct...Speculation or not.

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 22:22

25. YouLostTheGame (Posts: 441; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)


How the hell does the "dubbya" come into play in your rant?! Wait, wait, don't tell me...you're probably a clueless lib.

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 23:49

27. corporateJP (Posts: 1765; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)


Easy answer to the question asked in the article title: Apple has no clue on how to make a phone, never has, never will. All Apple can do is countersue everyone that they stole patents and technology from, starting with Bill Gates, IBM, Sun Micro, Gateway, Dell, Qualcomm, Nokia, and HTC (sorry if I missed any over the last two decades) to make it look like they did indeed build something from bottom-up on their own. Then, in the end, you will all worship Mr. Jobs and call him by his new title of "MASTERFAG", all while playing Papertoss on your glorified iPod that poses as a phone 12% of your useless existence as a slave to the antichrist himself. Rock on, poseurs.

posted on 01 Jul 2010, 09:49

32. PapaJay224 (Posts: 866; Member since: 08 Feb 2009)


Come on "YouLosttheGame" Its obvious a reference to Bush's War on Terror and the epic failure that turned out to be nothing but shadows and promises that were made and American people were being told nothing was wrong when there was. Not Lib, maybe "Lib"rary, how about you learn to read. Anyone who has been "awake" for the last 4 years knows what Im talking about. And please don't start a politics debate on here, youll make yourself sound like a child, and so far thats your own little secret.

posted on 01 Jul 2010, 13:19

35. YouLostTheGame (Posts: 441; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)


Oh yeah, I started the politics talk, when you brought up Bush in the first place...nice one. Awake to what? Your own little LIBERAL smoke and mirrors, cloak and dagger bullshit?! You people trump up everything that happened in the Bush years as his fault, all the while denying the fact that our country went into a tail spin the day the Dem-controlled congress came into power. Now all your ridiculous pipe dreams will come to an end this November, and we can actually work to keep this country from getting worse. What I really find interesting though, is how the current administration hasn't actually done a single thing to improve things! And now they've come out and stated that "Oh yeah, um, all those jobs people had before, we won't be able to get nearly all of those back..." Go ahead, keep ranting, let's see how jaded you really are...

posted on 03 Jul 2010, 12:00

39. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)


Political talk in a cell phone forum...interestin. Guess its all intertwined somehow i'm sure...

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 11:46

2. zerglisk (Posts: 544; Member since: 09 Feb 2010)


They are hiring because they just fired their current antenna engineer....

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 12:09

3. gambino37 (Posts: 146; Member since: 16 Oct 2009)


They are hiring because they have an antenna problem, period. Im not starting any Android vs iPhone arguments here but strictly from a business standpoint all of the iPhone problems and how they have been dealt with so far is ridiculous. I wish that more of the posts and information on phonearena and other techie sites made it farther out to the mainstream media. I bet half the people that have had the "left hand death grip" problem dont even know that #1 the problem was admitted #2 An update solution was planned #3 The update was cancelled with Jobs saying there was no problem to begin with and #4 now they desperately need antenna engineers. As many people have said on this site, problems with phones will happen. That is almost unavoidable, but how the problems are dealt with, really shows the character of a company. I think the rubber bumper cases should be given for free. Look at Nintendo for example. People breaking stuff with Wii controllers, which isnt even a hardware problem to begin with, and Nintendo sends out rubber cases for all controllers. FREE OF CHARGE. Apple should provide the cases for free instead of charging $30. The whole situation stinks and kind of reveals the lack of concern Apple actually has to the consumer. Sure the sales are through the roof, as was to be expected, but is the bottom line really the most important factor when dealing with a big name company like Apple?

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 13:00

4. ilia1986 (unregistered)


That would be true my friend - if you were talking from the consumer standpoint and not from the business one. Because from a business standpoint, Steve has already sold more than 1.7 million iPhone 4s in less than a week. That being he most successful sale of an apple product ever. From a business standpoint. So for Steve indeed there is no problem. No problem at all.

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 14:00

5. gambino37 (Posts: 146; Member since: 16 Oct 2009)


I guess I mistyped because my post was from the consumer viewpoint. Any way you look at it, the sheep are being led astray.

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 14:17

6. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Yes.. but because there aren't any wolves nearby, the sheep are pretty safe. At least for now.

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 14:47

7. BlackberryUser (Posts: 609; Member since: 26 Jun 2009)


ila1986, I agree and disagree... iPhone sales are due to repeat customers, to maintain repeat customers you have to put out a quality product. If they show no concern for a product flaw it DOES show their character and also will lead other consumers not to purchase their product or at least wait until bugs are worked out. Apple shouldn't be happy with the 1.7 million phones sold when they have the potential to sell billions of phones over the generations of future iPhones if they can maintain loyalty. The iPhone is no longer the cutting edge device that was once released, it's slightly outdated and relies on the name and loyal consumers. Hopefully Apple will quickly realize this and solve the problem...

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 14:57

9. E.N. (Posts: 2357; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


Haha, I like the figurative language you guys are using, but anyways I completely agree. I'm not saying I'm a sheep, but although I want to return my iPhone because of apple's response, I don't want Android. And the problem is that 95% of new released phones are Android. 4 new samsung galaxies, the droid x, the droid 2, droid incredible, htc aria, htc evo, mytouch slide, etc. I now know that Apple is evil, but it feels like Google is trying to shove Android down my throat.

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 15:10

10. cc16177 (Posts: 312; Member since: 09 May 2010)


It is interesting, I work for Verizon and I had a customer in the store today who actually had an active iPhone 4G (I won't go into details) and I couldn't believe that he wasn't more upset about the issues with the iPhone. He readily admitted to me that he had experienced issues about a quarter of the time, and with the phone in my hand I had a tough time receiving a signal without holding it a very specific way. What surprised me the most was that he also realized it was most likely a hardware issue and when I asked him what he would do if they didn't fix it he replied "I'll just hold it a certain way". That completely boggles my mind. I also asked him "how long have you had it? Can you return it?" and his reply was "It was hard enough to get why would I return it?" I just don't understand the minds of most iPhone users...

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 15:11

11. gambino37 (Posts: 146; Member since: 16 Oct 2009)


The wolf is bad business practices. I already stated that my argument wasn't iOS4 vs Android. Your wonderful product made by Apple doesn't give two shits about customer satisfaction.

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 15:20

12. ilia1986 (unregistered)


BB user - those 1.7 million could not all be repeat customers. This is the most successful product Apple sold until now to date - from their perspective. Now as for those billions of sells all across the planet. That's not Apple's goal. This is not Microsoft. Steve himself said at D8 2010 when asked about the fact that his market-share has surpassed MS by one percent - does it mean anything to him. His response was largely indifferent. He said that conquering the world with his products is not the goal of Apple. The goal of Apple is to make the best products they can. This is his quote. Now as for the iPhone 4 - I'ts hard to say anything specific here. Steve says that the screen is extra resillient, but drop tests made by people have shown otherwise. Steve says that the external antennae is a genius engineering design. But people have reported problems while holding the phone at specific places without a bumper protector. I think that the best way to look at this is objectively. The iPhone still provides the smoothest performance and experience there is, and is still has the most amount of apps. It is up-to-date when it comes to hardware compared to other phones out there. Sure, it may not have the customization and freedom of Android, and there is only one way to do everything - the Apple way, but for most people this is offset by the aforementioned features. Those of you who like freedom, hate being confined to anything specific, love to experiment and fiddle with their phone, who love widgets and customization and accept the chance of errors, crashes, and viruses in order to make their phone 100% theirs - the Android platform is for you. Those who want the smoothest and best performance possible, and the most amount of apps - with the ability to DL them from a PC - and an organized software suit using which one can manage his phone - coupled with security and overall stability - at the cost of personalization, lack of freedom and as a result lack of certain features - the iPhone is for you. This may sound biased - but it's not.

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 15:43

13. becazican (unregistered)


of course it is bias.... the product is flawed end of story....i own an imac and hell i even own stock in the company but i dont own an iphone, mainly because of the carrier it is tied to.... but even if it wasnt the phone has too many flaws. fix it steve!!!!

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 15:53

14. markemark11 (Posts: 47; Member since: 07 Jan 2010)


so Apples goal is not to sell as many iPhones and make as much money as it possibly can?

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 15:57

15. ilia1986 (unregistered)


The product is flawed, yes, but it's not the only one that is flawed - many other products which are produced on a daily basis also end up flawed. Thing is - the consumer has the means to make the flaw insignificant - by buying a bumper case of sorts. Not that it's right, but that's what that consumer would have probably done anyway. Not every product that is flawed makes it possible for the consumer to remove such a flaw, even at his or her own expenses. And everyone has their first major screw-up when it comes to a certain brand. This is the iPhone's first. It actually could have been a lot worse. Imagine that if every 5 minutes your phone would freeze and require a restart. So yeah - the product is flawed, and Apple has made mistakes, which is bad on their part, but there is no reason to look at this as anything different from the myriad of other flawed products which end up on a daily basis on the shelves. From froods containing dangerous bacteria in them, to buses manufactures with a faulty breaking system.

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 16:03

16. Mateo8326 (Posts: 472; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)


Iphone is a Fashion statement , just like women when it comes to shoes it may not be comfortable but it looks good especially to show off with lol

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 16:21

19. PapaJay224 (Posts: 866; Member since: 08 Feb 2009)


And for the few 100,00 that complain you comp them the case, that allegidl "FIXES" the issue, its not like hes sending 1.7 million cases. even if he did, Apple buys them at like 2.00 a piece...tight wads.

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 16:32

20. gambino37 (Posts: 146; Member since: 16 Oct 2009)


Once again ilia you seem to be missing the main point of the argument. I'm sure we would all agree that flawed products come with the territory. That is not the argument. And you say that Steve Jobs doesn't care about "sells" and making money? HA. Don't tell that to the shareholders. Bottom line is that a company is there to make money. We all know that. When a company makes a solid product and gains respect in doing so, that's the ultimate goal. The iPhone deserves all the respect in the world for what it has become. However you say time and time again that Apple's goal is a smoothly running product that is the best at what it does. This is not the case with the iPhone 4. It is an Apple miscue this time that is causing the problem. The antenna flaw should at least be addresse and resolved to the best of their abilities. Perhaps free cases. And if you think about it, dropping calls constantly is just as bad as a system freeze anyway. A phone is supposed to make calls first. Everything else is a bonus. You drop a call and have to re accomplish the whole process all over again. This problem should at the very least be acknowledged by Mr. Jobs, instead of him blowing it off as a consumer issue. If I owned an iPhone 4 I would take it as him spitting in my face.

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 16:45

22. BlackberryUser (Posts: 609; Member since: 26 Jun 2009)


ilia1986 I would say the majority of the 1.7 million ARE repeat customers. That said you yourself said that Apple's goal is to sell the best product and if it has such a severe flaw it's not the best product. You are the one that brough up the 1.7 million sales. Apple does strive to grow their market share as that's business 101. Apple SHOULD step up and fix this. As for them being "up-to-date", they aren't. They are always a few steps behind, which is sad to see when they created the market for touch screen app driven phones. "best performance", I think signal quality and screen coloration are huge issues when determining who has the best performance.

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 22:27

26. GlenF (Posts: 50; Member since: 02 Nov 2009)


"Those of you who like freedom, hate being confined to anything specific, love to experiment and fiddle with their phone, who love widgets and customization and accept the chance of errors, crashes, and viruses in order to make their phone 100% theirs - the Android platform is for you." really? i've had the Droid and now the incredible, and i may steal a family members upgrade to get the X and i've never had a crash or virus. You are simply trying to diminish the first OS to give Apple a run for it's money. And yes, almost every word of this piece is apologizing for and attempting to gloss over the fact that Apple failed this time. One would think you were paid by the company based on this little piece of propaganda you've cooked up

posted on 01 Jul 2010, 01:33

29. E.N. (Posts: 2357; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


a lot of iphone customers are repeat, but not all of them. 80% of iphone users will buy another iphone and 70% of Android users will buy another Android phone. Basically the same thing. The only problem (and it is a big problem) that the iPhone has right now is its reception problem. Other than that, the iphone 4 is great. Engadget already said its the best phone to date. And I don't understand the "always a few steps behind" stuff. They were late in upgrading multitasking, mms, folders, copy and paste, etc. But all of them with the exception of multitasking (for now) is the best. And Android has a lot of "catching up" to do also. Why can you only search through email in the gmail app? What can't you pinch/zoom through emails but you can in other parts of the phone? The copy/paste needs some serious big time editing. And also I don't know why its so hard for Android devices to open some .doc and pdf files that iOS can open easily. I thought viewing these files were basic smartphone capability, but ever since using my sister's Droid I guess its not so much. And why do the apps suck so much? Everything bad about Apple gets elevated to such high levels. I didn't even know these problems existed on Android until I actually spent a lot of time using it.

posted on 03 Jul 2010, 23:16

40. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)


Some would call that playin hard to get...

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 14:48

8. BlackberryUser (Posts: 609; Member since: 26 Jun 2009)


No comments saying the antenna engineers are for the new LTE iPhone coming to Verizon 3 years ago?

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 16:04

17. Mateo8326 (Posts: 472; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)


People aren't gonna return the phone they are to blindsided to see the real probably, they are just gonna wait for a hardware update or whatever solution that will come about, Just like when other phones have issues

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 16:35

21. thatdude1 (unregistered)


The phone is definitely flawed. How anyone(lookin' at you, ilia1986)can justify the consumer fixing the problem by purchasing a case for it, when it is apples fault to begin with, is pure idiocy. A pretty UI and smooth user experience does not make up for a phone that only allows you to make calls when held a specific way. Crapple needs to fix their itoy 4 ASAP!

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 16:48

23. BlackberryUser (Posts: 609; Member since: 26 Jun 2009)


If you buy a car, lets say a Toyota and the gas occasionally sticks. You expect the manufacturer to fix it, but if you buy a cell phone and say the signal of your CELL PHONE has issues, it's ok? ilia1986... I try to take the perspective that every phone should be on the market to offer competition and options, but I think a company should stand by it's product and take care of such a HUGE issue.

posted on 01 Jul 2010, 10:53

33. cc16177 (Posts: 312; Member since: 09 May 2010)


I agree, this is the analogy I gave my customer who had the iPhone 4. Let's say you bought a 2010 Mercedes for around 60k, it's no $250k car but it's an expensive car that is supposed to work. You are driving it home the first day and you go to turn right so you turn on your right turn signal. Instead of a blinking right arrow you see a solid right arrow. You call the dealership. "Sir, my right turn signal is not working." ----"What's wrong with it?" "Well, when I flip the paddle down, the light stays on solid instead of blinking" ----"Oh. Yes. Well there is actually nothing wrong with the turn signal, you just have to flip the paddle up and down yourself to create the 'blink'." ***********This is where the Apple customer replies "OK!!!" ***********This is where anyone with any common sense replies "FIX MY DAMN TURN SIGNAL."

posted on 30 Jun 2010, 21:01

24. ILOVEIPHONE25 (unregistered)


I was going to ask the question, how would apple know that they didn't have a phone with reception problems....but I looked at big ass microsoft and the x box 360. They knew that the system was going to overheat and still they took the chase to get it out before the ps3 was available. I think the phone was made and designed and after everything then they found out something about the reception issue. They probably decided to go forward and still produce it because to redesign and wait for the competition to get all the customers would have hurt apple. This is really shitty

posted on 01 Jul 2010, 00:19

28. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Well I could start replying here to people, but I guess that every point I bring up will end up being responded to with a "But my phone doesn't drop calls lol". I'm not saying that is not a very valid point. It is. I'm saying that this point - this flaw, disadvantage, problem is very overrated. I myself would certainly buy the iPhone 4 (and i'm for one not a repeat customer, or an isheep or anything). I would also have to order a 30$ bumper sticker (or any other one for that matter) - yeah. But that's what I would have done anyway to ensure my phone survives it's 2nd meeting with the floor. Apparently, I'm not the only one. And as for Android - any platform that allows anyone to submit an app that runs to it - be it even to the market, not to mention many many other 3rd party sites, is going to have a lot of malware, broken apps, and even viruses. I mean - look at this:http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Google-uses-its-right-to-remove-apps-installed-from-the-Android-Mar ket-article-a_12157.html Imagine that the next thing is not an app which purpose is to grant someone else the control of your phone - which he might or might not do. Imagine if the next app would OC your phone to 5,000 MHZ, constantly change the readio frequencies, and mess with everything out there, with the best result turning your phone to a brick, and the worst being exploding it in your face. You want an example of a system on which the user can install many different apps from multiple places all over the web - look at windows. Unless you seriously propose that the phone needs to be just like a PC - with a firewall, an antivirus, and everything.

posted on 01 Jul 2010, 06:00

30. clevername (Posts: 1431; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)


This is a problem that definitely effects iphone users but really it's being exaggerated. My iPhone 4 exhibits the atlas as well but the signal doesn't rapidly drop. It takes about 30 seconds for it to drop to 2/5 bars. If I just Foch or rub the spot it doesn't make a difference. And it is just a spot. Not even a quarter of an inch wide. To be exact it's a spot that's only as wide as a few hairs. A millimeter thick maybe. If you read most articles it speaks of cupping the phone. Who cups they're phone? Or left handed users palms covering it. I can see that. But for the most part most people won't even notice the problem. Then again even in a left hand some people hold it with their thumb and not palm. It's not a big issue. And again service and calls don't drop instantly like it's being made to be. That being said, it is a hardware issue that is probably on every iPhone 4. Apple should cop to this. A recall or a free bumper is expensive but so was recalling 1000's of toyotas.

posted on 01 Jul 2010, 12:12

34. cc16177 (Posts: 312; Member since: 09 May 2010)


You may not be experiencing the problem as bad as others, I had an iPhone 4 in my hand yesterday and I can honestly say the issue is not being exaggerated (at least on this particular handset). Now anyone who has read my posts on here will know very well that I am an avid believer that the Droid is a better phone than the iPhone, but when I saw the iPhone4 I was very excited to see what it could do. Holding it next to my Droid, the screen did look a little bit better. What surprised me is it didn't seem any clearer, but the colors were a little more vibrant. When I went to cnn.com on both phones my Droid loaded in about 1-2 seconds and the iPhone sat on the homepage and I got a "No server connected" error message (or something along those lines). I had to hold the phone in a very specific way to receive any signal at all, and the customer did say he was having issues about 1/4 of the time. That doesn't seem exaggerated to me... while you may not be experiencing the issue as much as others, it is by no means a minor issue.

posted on 01 Jul 2010, 14:31

36. ilia1986 (unregistered)


I think that the point here is less about saying that this problem exists - because it does. We all know it does. The point is - even if it affects a significant portion of the handsets (and thats a big if) - that problem can be avoided by purchasing a bumper protector for your phone. This is something that according to what I've seen happening with the 3GS - will also be bought for the iPhone 4. I am yet to see a 3GS model in my country without any sort of protection on it. Now as I said - and as everyone knows - this isn't right, and it shouldn't be like this and Apple is dumb and Steve is evil blah blah blah. The point is - my point - it's not something that can't be dealt with. It can. Unlike many many other technical issues in millions of other products which 100% leave the customer at the mercy of a fix from the manufacturer - which can take months and sometimes years. And because the consumer is capable of removing his flaw by himself - even at the cost of his own money - this issue is a bit overrated compared to all the buzz, loud-mouthing and bashing it receives. Just imagine that the iPhone 4 is 30$ more expensive than it is now.

posted on 01 Jul 2010, 15:18

37. cc16177 (Posts: 312; Member since: 09 May 2010)


Is it just the bumper that's supposed to fix it or do you need an entire case? The iPhone I was using in the post I wrote above yours, it did have the bumper...

posted on 01 Jul 2010, 15:52

38. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Well from what we've been able to gather the apple bumper case removes the problem. If anyone experiences the problem with the case on - it might just be due to your network carrier or just a one time bug..

posted on 01 Jul 2010, 06:03

31. clevername (Posts: 1431; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)


This is a problem that definitely effects iphone users but really it's being exaggerated. My iPhone 4 exhibits the atlas as well but the signal doesn't rapidly drop. It takes about 30 seconds for it to drop to 2/5 bars. If I just Foch or rub the spot it doesn't make a difference. And it is just a spot. Not even a quarter of an inch wide. To be exact it's a spot that's only as wide as a few hairs. A millimeter thick maybe. If you read most articles it speaks of cupping the phone. Who cups they're phone? Or left handed users palms covering it. I can see that. But for the most part most people won't even notice the problem. Then again even in a left hand some people hold it with their thumb and not palm. It's not a big issue. And again service and calls don't drop instantly like it's being made to be. That being said, it is a hardware issue that is probably on every iPhone 4. Apple should cop to this. A recall or a free bumper is expensive but so was recalling 1000's of toyotas.

posted on 03 Jul 2010, 23:19

41. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)


Ok Phonearena...do we really have to ask that question considering the pathetic state of affairs happening with iPhone 4(G)/AT&T 4(G) right now? Its obvious that somethin has to be done and the current set up is droppin the ball. P.S. - added the 4(G) to see how many ppl feel the need to be the correction police.

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