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Why Motorola will not be the exclusive Android manufacturer

0. phoneArena 19 Aug 2011, 16:40 posted on

The debate has been going on since Google announced a deal to acquire Motorola, but now Gene Munster of Piper Jaffray has weighed in on the debate. He's putting real numbers to a hypothetical situation to tell us what we likely already knew...

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posted on 19 Aug 2011, 19:43 4

1. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Good analysis of a bulls**t analysis, Michael. The reasoning you used in this article is exactly the same kind I used to determine that no, Motorola would never be stupid enough to patent troll Android or other OEMs. They would be shooting themselves in the foot.

Yet CNN is insisting on this scare mongering, declaring that the "user friendly iPhone" will also fill the gap left behind as all the other manufacturers RUN AWAY!!!! from Android.

posted on 19 Aug 2011, 20:06 3

4. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


I'm pretty sure that the threat to patent troll other Android OEMs was just a push to get Google to buy the company.

Ugh, CNN. I don't even have the strength to put down such a sad, out-of-touch company.

posted on 19 Aug 2011, 20:20 1

6. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


are you guys hatting on CNN?...... may I join?
I don't know how people trust CNN for anything (not only tech news) they don't give objective news at all

posted on 19 Aug 2011, 20:27

7. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Probably best to not even start the discussion of TV "news", which is essentially just entertainment (which may or may not be entertaining), and almost never informative.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, the US needs to adopt laws like the UK where stations like MSNBC and FoxNews would be deemed entertainment channels, and not be allowed to advertise as news or be listed with news stations. Of course, in doing that the only news stations left in the US would be CSPAN and BBC.

posted on 19 Aug 2011, 20:28

8. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


the Communist News Network? I can hardly believe they do scare stories on Free market systems like Android and push highly controlled big brother systems like Apple.. lol.

I think you had just the right amount of sarcasm in there Micheal.. :)

People that keep this fear mongering of "google is going to control android through motorola exclusivity" crap have no idea how android works and why its so big. Its not about any single device or company sales.. its about being on EVERYTHING and EVERYTHING. In order to give moto some huge preferential treatment that pisses off other manufactures or give them exclusivity to android would be the exact opposite of everything google has been trying to accomplish with android.

and it would cut them off at the knees.. permanently.

posted on 19 Aug 2011, 20:30 1

9. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


It's not even a lack of understanding Android, it's a lack of understanding Google. Google doesn't do business like most companies do, because most Google products aren't an end-game. Most are just routes to the web and Google ads.

posted on 19 Aug 2011, 21:19

16. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Indeed Google gains from as many users as they can get and not just exclusive services its why they push apps for as many OS's as they can even if they keep some neat tricks for their platform their main plan sticks the same to get as many from ads as possible

posted on 19 Aug 2011, 20:32

11. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


BTW micheal,

we need more guts and gore on the android. :) if this guy is trying to convince us that google wants to commit StupiCide then that poor robot should reflect it.. lol :)

posted on 19 Aug 2011, 20:37

12. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


My Photoshop skills aren't the best, but if you want to whip up an Android committing seppuku, I'll swap the image.

posted on 19 Aug 2011, 21:08

15. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


And I was wondering why the red on the Android robot .... silly me

posted on 19 Aug 2011, 21:22

18. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Maybe a Motorola catapult? With Android on it and a spiky wall?

posted on 19 Aug 2011, 23:35

21. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


micheal,
ask and u shall recieve. check the PA mailbox. :)

posted on 19 Aug 2011, 23:56

23. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


It doesn't look like that's forwarded to me. Try either the tips e-mail or michael.h @PA

posted on 20 Aug 2011, 07:21

26. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


resent it to micheal.h@phonearena :)

posted on 20 Aug 2011, 09:54

28. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Ha! Apparently, I don't have an official PA e-mail. send it to tips@PA and I swear it'll work this time.

posted on 20 Aug 2011, 10:04 1

29. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


lol.. i sent it again to the tips email. 3rd try is the charm right? lol

posted on 20 Aug 2011, 10:30 1

30. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


ahh, that picture is much better. hope everyone likes it.. lol :)

posted on 20 Aug 2011, 05:50

25. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


Actually, BBC had a article where they said it was likely Google would start making their own hardware. And seeing Samsungs reaction to this, by hiring software developers, i think it is higlhly likely that Google will start making their own hardware.

posted on 20 Aug 2011, 07:22 2

27. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


you just wanna think that because u think it will make BADA relevant. lol.

posted on 20 Aug 2011, 11:13

31. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


It really does make sense, that Google will start making their own hardware, it is a no brainer.

Google doesn't spend 12.5 billion $$$ on buying Moto and then don't do anything with the purchase.

bada is already the number 5 OS worldwide, but i do think this helps bada, because Samsung will start pushing bada more than Android.

Seriously, think of it from a nuetral perspective (i do).

Google spends 12.5 billion $ on buying a hardware company that has lots of patents, but also of course makes hardware. They will of course use the patents they hav purchased, but of course they also want to take advantage of the hardware they have bought as well.

posted on 20 Aug 2011, 11:23 1

32. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


peter, google spent 12.5 billion buying moto's patents at the current going rate of patents. Moto was thrown in for free.

Are they likey to tweak moto in some way shape or form to make it better? absolutely.

Are they going to do anything to jeapordize their relationships with other manufacturers and hurt android's massive sales? Absolutely not.


Google is in the business of selling ads.. to everyone. making moto the primary phone manufacturer and pissing off everyone else only HURTS them..

Again, u just want it because u think they will push BADA.. lol. #5 OS behind WebOS.. a dead OS.. lol

posted on 20 Aug 2011, 14:20

37. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


Are you saying WebOS has more market share than bada ?
That's wrong.
Number 1 is Android.
No. 2 i IOS.
No. 3 is Symbian.
No. 4 is BBOS.
No. 5 is bada.
No. 6 is WP7 / Winmo
No. 7 is webOS.

Maybe WebOS has more market share than bada in the Us, but that is not the case worldwide.

posted on 20 Aug 2011, 16:09 2

39. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


i live in the US, not sweeden, the numbers I care about are on this side of the pond... for the most part. :)
i dont think bada even exists here.. lol.

posted on 22 Aug 2011, 04:15

59. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


These numbers is the worldwide market share, that means all the contries in the world total market share. Not only Sweden.

posted on 20 Aug 2011, 12:14 1

33. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


1. Why is your point of view neutral when the only option you consider is Google making it's own hardware? Mostly you want Bada to become Samsung main os in the hopes it becomes popular. Now you must consider many other factors that should be taken in notice when it comes to companies.

-Motorola could have great value as a company but it has little as an Android manufacturing company. Outside US their reputation is low. And they are still loosing money. Also take to account that it's also not the one with the great gainings among manufacturers . Siding with Motorola only and forgetting the others would actually hurt Google' earnings because their population of users will be drastically reduced.

Now lets take for example Samsung. Their.biggest appeal on smartphones is now Android they can brag about the thousands of applications and services the OS offers. They get informed on the new bugs and their fixes so they have to just work on their UI and they have a whole ecosystem and a line of products and their worries are a little. If they cut Android and go all Bada they will have to invest in promoting the UI invest in more features invest in more security so its money money money they will also loose while trying to make their OS competitive, as they have to start from nearly 0 with no community support (compared to Android) and no one who has an idea what's Bada .

Out of Google making Android a moto exclusive or Samsung leaving Android for Bada its only money Los

Now how can Google piss Samsung to the point they will leave? They have said Android will remain open. And Samsung is part of the open handset alliance. If rumors are true then they must also have ICS on their hands for testing.

Even if Google makes only moto nexus is still not a reason for them to leave as they can use the source and make the galaxy S3 or 4

posted on 20 Aug 2011, 12:25

34. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


exactly. the top 2 selling android handsets of all time are the galaxy1 and galaxy2.. and the galaxy2 isnt even in america yet.

samsung isnt ditching android. bada isnt going to be a main OS. they may make it for feature phones down the line and keep it alive on the side... but it will never be their bread n butter.

BTW, that picture i made i was thinking of your wish for google to kill android.. lol.

posted on 20 Aug 2011, 18:29

40. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


My wish? :o

posted on 20 Aug 2011, 14:03 1

35. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


$12.5 billion could easily be just for the patents alone to protect Android and other properties. Moto is also in set-top boxes, which Google would love to get Google TV onto.

Google certainly could make their own hardware, but: A) Google has never been a hardware company, B) They have a lot of hardware partners that they need to keep happy. Imagine if the next Galaxy S phone were Windows Phone 7 rather than Android. That's far worse for Google than the possible gains from making their own hardware.

posted on 19 Aug 2011, 19:45 1

2. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


I could only hope this means the end of Blur, or at least making it an app. But I must agree, there is no way Google will make Android exclusive to Motorola products. That would be suicide. They should even think about changing the name of the company from Motorola. It's a risky move, but one that could pay off big time. Motorola ruined it's own name and it's big comeback with blur IMHO, so this could be the start of a brand new chapter in Shaumburg.

posted on 19 Aug 2011, 19:58

3. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


The concept of Blur has always been good, it's just the execution which has been problematic. If they could make Blur run very light and with no glitches, then it would be the second best custom UI out there after Sense 3.0.

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