Why Google went with Texas Instruments silicon for the Galaxy Nexus Android ICS poster child
0. phoneArena 19 Oct 2011, 14:36 posted on
Whether it is because TI's OMAP 4460 plays well with LTE basebands, because it has excellent Image Signal Processor and the IVA3 multimedia accelerator, or just because of office politics, TI's OMAP family enters the spotlight with the Galaxy Nexus...
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51. dmn666 (Posts: 202; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
OMAPs are great. TI makes best DSP & power management chips. There's even no competition. When I see some fanboy comments about Exynos I laugh my a** off. Chip design is an Art - TI, Intel, Qualcomm, Broadcom excel at it. Samsung will always be good at making dumb RAMs (cause it doesn't take any brain).
This is a good Article, PA.
53. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
Samsung kills Nvidia and Qualcomm at making micro processors. they've made a reputation for themselves in this space. the only SoC that has a chance against Exynos is in indeed the OMAP4. i think i heard Intel is hoping in soon so we'll see about them.
56. remixfa (Posts: 14224; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i dont think intel's first offerings will be that ground breaking, but intel not fighting its way to the championship match against samsung for superiority by the 2nd generation of its chips would be very surprising. They know how to bring it.. just not always on the first try.
58. dmn666 (Posts: 202; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Interesting. So how'd Samsung cpus kill Qualcomm and Nvidia? If you're obsessed with crappy quadrant scores, then you probably need to spend more time on understanding various aspects of a cellphone SoC and loopholes of benchmark apps.
62. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
ohhh i tire of this explanation. i should save it and copy/paste it for you people. besides remixfa could probably explain it better than i can. okay. i'll summarize it. Qualcomm uses out of date ARM architecture and Nvidia's Geforce GPU is consistently beat out by that used in the Exynos 4210 and even the PowerVR SGX540 in the OMAP4. not only am i obsessed with Benchmarks i'm obsessed with what they're Benchmarking and i do make it my business to know why Benchmarks come out the way they do. don't take reputation so seriously. Samsung may be relatively new at this but they seem to have it figured out.
63. dmn666 (Posts: 202; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Keep ignoring 'reputation' - after all that's what Samsung lacks. Reputation follows innovation. Anyways, get some T-mobile galaxy s 2 and figure out how its 'outdated' cores compare to those on Exynos. You seem pretty good to be at your business just like Samsung itself - figuring out what has been figured out long time back. All the best.
65. remixfa (Posts: 14224; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i work for tmobile.
the SGS2 at tmobile uses 1.5ghz snapdragon cores to try to achieve what exynos does at 1.2ghz. The result is a compitent and well made phone (it is an SGS2 after all), but when compared to its brother, the exynos based SGS2 its left in the dust.
Samsung has found a way to alter the chip so it scores higher in synthetic benchmarks than any other snapdragon carrying phone, including the HTC Amaze which runs the EXACT SAME set up of 1.5ghz snapdragon and 1gig ram. The Hercules gets upwards of 1000 more points on quadrant than the Amaze even though they are the same internally. Heck, the Amaze even has the higher screen resolution. When doing averages you throw out the highest score and the lowest score. Every other Snapdragon S3 phone scores between 2100-2400. That is its real benchmark. The exynos scores 3100-3400. That is its real benchmark.
However, put side to side,the real SGS2 is super smooth like an iphone where the hercules SGS2 still has some of its stuttering that is on every snapdragon S3 device. EVERY side by side comparison of the SGS2s have made that same remark. I have made it lag with little effort. The Tmobile Hercules SGS2 is the strongest phone Tmobile carries right now, but it is not as strong as a real SGS2. And it is definitely not as strong as an OMAP carrying, dual core optimized Nexus Prime.
The synthetic benchmarks may have been bumped, but the real world performance was not.
66. roldefol (Posts: 3220; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Sounds to me like it's not the CPU, it's the software. TouchWiz 4.0 may just be that much more efficient than Sense 3.x and may incorporate the hardware acceleration to push benchmarks way way up.
67. remixfa (Posts: 14224; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
if every S3 device was based on Sense 3.0, i could go with that. But it doesnt change for ANY phone except the SGS2 variant. Unless samsung shows otherwise, I stand by my statement that they found a way to fudge the common synthetic benchmarks like Quadrant (which is easy to do BTW) so the Hercules looked on par to its Exynos brethren. It would lose a lot of sales if this "sgs2" was showing its lack of power comparitivly to the real sgs2s.. . especially concidering how hot the SGS2 is across the world. Its one of those phones that people jump carriers to get.
68. roldefol (Posts: 3220; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
But if they're able to fudge Quadrant benchmarks with the S3, who's to say they're not also fudging them with the Exynos? I understand that the Exynos-based SGS2 is visibly smoother, but maybe it's only 20% faster than comparably powered phones, not the 50% benchmarks show.
70. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
yeah, i kind of agree with roldefol here. like you said realistic scores for the Exynos are probably between 3100-3400. Quadrant does give it higher scores most of the time.
71. remixfa (Posts: 14224; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
because quadrant is just 1 test. Exynos leads the pack across the board in every test and pretty much every benchmark suite.
Quadrant is easy to tweak. The easiest way to tell if its tweaked or not is to actually BUY quadrant so it breaks down categories for the over all score. If you see an huge increase in just one category (normally its the I/O score) and not in others, its been tweaked.
There are articles on XDA about how to fudge quadrant and I/O scores in general, which is why i generally erase them from my mind while looking at all the synthetic bench programs and try to compare everything else.
Exynos is king.. undisputed and unchallenged in the android realms.
72. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
oh i don't question Exynos being king, i'm just questioning how MUCH better it is than say...an OMAP4430. (:
73. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
btw i want a job at T-Mobile. any help or tips you can offer your SoC geek equal? (:
74. remixfa (Posts: 14224; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
lol. dont check "full time" on the app. they only hire part time from outside... unless u wanna be auto rejected :). Apply at them all. VZW is the hardest to get into unless u know someone, but they pay the most. Tmobile is very relaxed though which is the opposite of VZW which is very rigid. its a good company and like anything its all about the people u work with. I have a lot of fun, and I get lots of perks like free phones n tablets since im the biggest "geek" in the city from what i'm told.. lol. Just be perky in your interview, up beat, and show them that you know the product already. It is definitely the type of job where a happy geek is a respected and prideful thing to be :) Selling phones are so easy.. especially if you know the phones. People hear the excitement in my voice and just buy whatever I'm talkin about..lol
75. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
oh my god i need that job! xD
thanks for the tips! those are so helpful.