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Why Google wants to kill SD cards, and what's holding them back

0. phoneArena 22 Nov 2011, 15:30 posted on

Many have been curious as to why Google has left out SD card slots in the last 3 flagship devices, and while we don't have the official answer, we have a pretty educated guess...

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posted on 22 Nov 2011, 15:30 16

1. hunted (Posts: 403; Member since: 21 Sep 2011)


one drawback of not having SD slot is, if our phone is affected from virus the entire memory should be formatted. But if we have dual memory(like sd card) at least we can protect our data.

posted on 23 Nov 2011, 01:25 1

44. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Don't you guys back up ur data on your pc? Lol.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 15:41 26

2. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


the answer is already out there in the SGS phones. Large internal memory + memory card. Everyone is happy that way. Its not like that little card reader costs more than a few cents to make, and neither does a memory chip.. espeically when your the manufacturer of said devices like samsung.

Thats one of the main reasons i cross my eyes at the iphone pricing scheme. Even at retail there isnt more than 10-20 bux between 16-32gb and 64 probably isnt even that much of a difference either. Do it at mass production whole sale and ur looking at a few cents to a few bucks per chip. And that brings me to a idea about the lack of memory slots that wasnt brought up in the article. Retail pricing schemes. Like it or not, apple is leading the way in a (what is to me a..) grotesque price gouging scheme and they are seeing massive profits off of it. It wouldn't surprise me at all if other manufactures wanted to try their hands at that.
After all, if Samsung can get even a $50 difference between a 16 gig and 32 gig version of the phone, that is almost all extra profit for them as the chips have very little price difference on mass wholesale. Add in the fact that they actually manufacture those chips, and its going to be an even smaller difference. (internal memory is nothing but an sd card buried in the phone most of the time, in case you didnt know)

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 15:59 5

5. tacohunter (Posts: 408; Member since: 06 Nov 2011)


Yeap, agree.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 16:04 8

6. MikeG77 (Posts: 410; Member since: 24 Nov 2008)


remixfa i'd rather have either a 32 gb nexus or a 16 gb with a sd card slot. I think thats a reasonable request. Like you said it doesn't cost that much to add in a sd card slot.

Apple is seeing massive profits because of how there supply chain is setup and because all there products are made over seas where they can pay there people a lower wage, no wonderful unions and or environmental protection laws.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 18:08 2

27. belovedson (Posts: 998; Member since: 30 Nov 2010)


i dont think you guys used the nexus s. if you did your opinion would change. having an sd card is annoying. its slow, causes force closes, and used unnecessary space.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 20:36 3

40. MikeG77 (Posts: 410; Member since: 24 Nov 2008)


Actually belovedson you are correct I have not used the Nexus S but that doesn't mean my opinion would have been any different had I used it. Anyone who really uses there smart phone wants all the options they can have available to them.

Now in my opinion having an sd card is a good thing that gives us options and hell even if there is a slot for an sd card you can choose to not use it. All of the other issues you have mentioned could be related to a host of other factors such as defective sd card, error within the app etc etc.

If you don't want a phone that has an sd card slot get an iPhone....but I bet you'll complain about that as well.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 21:39 2

42. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)


i use both Android & iPhone, which obviously i'm used to not having a SD card slot on the one. to be honest i think ppl on this site over-complicate the buying process when it comes to smart phones. i fall under the category of someone who really uses their smart phone & SD card slot is well...tomato/to-mah-to. i think to only rely on one type of storage is not that secure but if you do have various back up options that further reinforces that an SD card slot in this day is age is not as significant as it use to be. I would much rather Google come out with a physical sync software similar to itunes or blackberry desktop manager vs. only having the "clouds" available. now that would be a viable option.

posted on 23 Nov 2011, 10:13

59. Goldeneye (Posts: 419; Member since: 22 Jan 2011)


Yes is nice to have the option of a removable memory, but Google is backing what Apple always thought "no SD cards necessary", hate to say it but Apple is leading this industry from just about every angle, Flash first, now SD cards, what's next? I think removable batteries, ahem Moto, about "ot liking SD cards slots in your phone" comment yeah get an Iphone or a Nexus, lol

posted on 01 Mar 2012, 10:26

70. TenshiNo (Posts: 3; Member since: 01 Mar 2012)


Just a quick point of note: Flash on Android isn't "going away". Adobe decided to stop making new versions of Flash (PC and Mobile) in favor of moving towards an HTML5 development suite.

I'm with you and everyone else, though: Large internal memory so that we don't need an SDCARD is great, but still at least give me a slot, so that I can add one if I want. I guess the problem is that the noobs would add an SDCARD, not realizing the complications, and then complain about how "crappy" Android is. The sad part is that most people won't take even 10 minutes to learn what the problems are. They just whine an complain to anyone who will listen, never even realizing that the problem is because of something they have done.

posted on 23 Nov 2011, 06:11 1

51. Fallout09 (Posts: 421; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


Thats why I have a 32 GB class 10 micro sd card my friend. Lightning fast transfer speeds. I see no difference in the intermal memory reads and sd card reads.

posted on 23 Nov 2011, 09:37

57. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


lol, thats because the internal memory is just a memory card itself, and it sure isnt a high end one. :)

posted on 23 Nov 2011, 11:24

61. deathgod (Posts: 122; Member since: 23 Nov 2011)


As a current Nexus S user, having an sd card slot would be a godsend for me. I'm constantly having to delete stuff off my phone just to make space. I hate it. That's one of the reasons I'm skipping over getting the Galaxy Nexus and will most likely be getting the SGS3 instead.

Also how is 16GB internal storage considered large nowadays. I'd consider it minimally adequate.

posted on 23 Nov 2011, 12:28

62. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


its amazing that I have not had those issues. :) And I have seen very few if any complains about SD card force closings. .lol

posted on 23 Nov 2011, 13:04

64. fervid (Posts: 183; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


I've used Nexus S and various other phones with SD Card. Nexus S is somewhat of a hybrid though using its partitions to emulate an SD Card and still have access to it. I have Linux on my laptop and transfer things all the time which while possible on Nexus S would not be on the Galaxy Nexus until Linux is updated. I don't even really put apps on the SD. Usually Music, Images, or Video. On WinMobile I always had cab files for install too. Would be nice having the same type of things on Android to recover apps instead of using my data plan to redownload it all from the Market again. The 4-8GB internal memory just isn't enough for internal. I loved the design of the HTC Status, but the phone was useless with the memory it had. We need minimum 16GB internal with SD capabilities to have a fully functional phone.

posted on 23 Nov 2011, 08:43

53. Kease (Posts: 36; Member since: 30 Sep 2011)


"wonderful unions"?

posted on 23 Nov 2011, 09:22

55. MikeG77 (Posts: 410; Member since: 24 Nov 2008)


Im not sure if you realized it but i was being sarcastic and im not a big fan of unions but thats a topic for a different time and place.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 19:33 1

33. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)


true.

posted on 10 Apr 2012, 06:46

72. dr.sosua (Posts: 3; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)


is it buried in the galaxay nexus please tell me i can upgrade bought mine in thailand only 16 want 64 already full

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 15:43 9

3. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


btw, this is a fight i hope google and the manufacturers lose. VIVA LA REMOVABLE MEMORY! :)

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 18:19 1

28. bossmt_2 (Posts: 449; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)


Would much rather have wifi and hook up either an external to the router or a wifi external or it run through my PC and have a folder dedicated to android apps, call logs, etc. A true cloud backup or my alternative would be much preferred to an SD card simply because it's one less thing you need to worry about.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 19:41 3

35. thepeartree (Posts: 3; Member since: 13 Nov 2011)


Obviously you live in the center of a large city where wi-fi and 4G are available 24/7/365. In many parts of the country (including mine) there are dead spots where we don't even have PHONE service. Where then do we find a place for a phone that relies on cloud storage and wi-fi connections? Give me good old removable storage!

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 20:00

36. bossmt_2 (Posts: 449; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)


It wouldn't rely 100% on cloud, it would be cloud data management. So say you have a Galaxy Nexus with 32 gigs of storage, on your Galaxy Nexus you have your music, contacts, call logs, messages, apps etc all saved on the phone, when you go home it lets you know you're connected to your home network and do you want to back your data up you say yes, you can then go through and swap data like say move a picture from your computer to your phone and the other way around.

posted on 01 Mar 2012, 10:31

71. TenshiNo (Posts: 3; Member since: 01 Mar 2012)


But what happens if you're someone who frequently finds themselves in a location where the "Cloud" is not an option due to signal strength?

My previous job (just switched a few weeks ago) was in the bottom floor of a concrete building which was "recessed" so that the bottom floor was literally almost completely underground. I was lucky to get a signal at all most of the time and streaming music, etc from the Cloud was *completely* out of the question.

And even just going to parts of the city is a problem. I dated one girl for about 4 months who lived in a more rural area of the city so, while at her place, 4G was non-existant and 3G was extremely slow. On several occasions I tried to upload a video to YouTube only to have it either take 8+ hours or bomb out entirely.

The "Could" as a solution only works if you have access to high-speed data at least *most* of the time.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 15:53 8

4. Shangri-La (Posts: 72; Member since: 04 Oct 2011)


I love buying huge SD cards and sticking them into my phones/cameras even if I dont even actually need half of the capacity.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 16:06 17

7. nicodek (Posts: 4; Member since: 18 Nov 2011)


The problem with relying on the cloud is carrier limits on data. Unless you constantly use wifi you will start to his those 2gb limits fairly quickly streaming your music and videos and syncing all the apps and data to the cloud. Yes wifi is more common but its not everywhere and so not everyone can rely on it. The best solution for users is the higher memory plus sd card.

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 16:08 4

8. MikeG77 (Posts: 410; Member since: 24 Nov 2008)


BIngo!

posted on 22 Nov 2011, 16:29 3

14. beatsandmelody (Posts: 109; Member since: 01 Nov 2011)


That's true. And thank goodness ICS has built in data control on an OS level, down to specific apps, with both warnings and actual caps.

It's a shame that the carriers essentially started charging us more money for even less data ($30 for 5 GB, now $30 for 2 GB) at a time when Google and even Apple are moving ever faster towards cloud based solutions. Combine that with Verizon's great LTE speeds and... Basically I see it as someone swapping out a square puzzle piece for a circle puzzle piece, when it's down to the last few pieces. :\

posted on 23 Nov 2011, 06:14 3

52. Fallout09 (Posts: 421; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


Dont forget times you have no cell access.... Airplane mode anyone? How would I access the cloud storage for my muisc, videos and apps then?

posted on 23 Nov 2011, 08:54 1

54. vette21man (Posts: 351; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)


Not only reaching data limits, but streaming video/music is a battery sink.

My battery lasts at least twice as long when playing high-quality music locally vs streaming low-quality pandora.

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