While Apple V. Samsung nears an end, Motorola files new patent claim against Apple
0. phoneArena 17 Aug 2012, 23:17 posted on
Apple and Samsung moved closer to the end of its patent trial with closing arguments and jury deliberations expected to be the highlights next week; in the meantime, Apple is the defendant in a new patent lawsuit filed by Motorola...
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4. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
HAAHAHAHA...........perferct timing bro! couldnt have said it better...
8. TheRetroReplay (Posts: 245; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)
That is the most perfect analogy of this patent war
13. ardent1 (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
You clearly don't understand analogies or corollaries since Motorola's track record on patents has been: (a) pay out millions if not billions to MicroSoft or (b) walking away from its legal obligations under the FRAND standards.
You wonder why Motorola is laying off people while Samsung is making record profits in android smart phones.
So please tell us how is Motorola's payments to enrich MicroSoft a perfect analogy of this patent war?
11. ardent1 (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Except Motorola keeps impaling itself. Suing Apple over FRAND patents was a really, really dumb legal action.
14. zviera (Posts: 5; Member since: 26 Jul 2011)
It's different this time. It's not under FRAND patents, so apple is screwed and will pay.
22. MeoCao (unregistered)
Paying is not enough, Apple also has to stop suing others or else.
31. -box- (Posts: 3822; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
I think many if us wouldn't be bothered if enough patents were found to be infringed upon by apple that they had to shut down the production lines and sales, pay reparations, and spend their billions of untaxed profits on R&D for a completely original clean-sheet design using as much original stuff as they can, and for real this time, not BS patents or stealing others' tech and calling it theirs. Also, they should use as little FRAND as possible, such that they actually have bleeping INNOVATE to reenter the market. During the downtime, they should have to continue paying the workers at its sweatshop-esque factories, while working to improve the conditions there and make them equivalent (if not better than) to "first-world) standards.
Why should this happen?
32. -box- (Posts: 3822; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
One: BS patent wars regarding apple stop. Other OEMs and patent holders would agree to close all disputes after the final settlement agreements are hammered out.
Two: totally fresh and original design, inside and out, which, for all we know, might improve the entire industry. Apple has some great minds working for it, it should really let them cut loose and do what they probably love, create, rather than endlessly tweak the same old garbage. We wouldn't be trying to reinvent the wheel here, but we could possibly see the birth of a new era ushered in by a company who built its reputation on misperception and consumer ignorance actually doing what it's customers believe. Which brings us to...
Three: apple is incorrectly on a pedestal in the eyes of many a consumer who don't know any better. By this happening, they can see apple admit and pay for its arrogance and thievery, while giving them hope they could pull a phoenix, that is, "burn" down what was there before and come up with something new as a result.
Four: apple pays taxes on its billions of profits, and is made to no longer be allowed offshore bank account sheltering if it wishes to continue any operations in the U.S. Taxes are a great way for the government to keep running, and with the almost-constantly rising debt curling, we need all the help we can get to fix it. Other companies could be made to follow suit, especially Big Oil and companies who have their manufacturing or a majority of their workforce outsourced, unless they recreate the jobs they killed off.
Five: ios will finally get the revamp it needs, and could become a true smartphone OS, not a feature phone one with oodles of apps
Six: Apple's new designs would have oversight by a team of experts in patents and IP, to ensure they don't infringe, and their likely patents are made bulletproof, to protect apple's considerable investment in the brand new designs. Any company found to infringe on these future patents would be subject to harsh penalties, to better end this patent BS.
33. -box- (Posts: 3822; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Seven: apple.must price these new devices commensurate with their capabilities compared to other devices in the market if they want to have such high volumes, that is, the 4S for example is roughly equivalent to a $49.99-99.99 (on contract) phone, and should be priced accordingly. I say roughly because with the differences in OS and capabilities stemming from the same, devices aren't 100% comparable. If one were able to install one OS on another device designed for a different OS, it would run differently, i.e. imagine a GS3 running ios or WP8, if that were possible: it would be crazy fast, and have power to spare. In contrast, imagine a 4S running ICS or JB: sure the processor could handle it, or could with higher clockspeed, but the battery would run out very quickly, the lack of RAM would produce significant stuttering. However, with the newly redone version of what is currently ios, it could actually be comparable to WP8 and Android, rather than a feature phone with a large hard drive and WiFi. Thus, it could be compared side by side.
Eight: apple presumably fixes the bad reputation bad it has acquired since Steve jobs return, and may actually become a brand and company wholly worthy of respect and admiration.
2. exynos5 (Posts: 21; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
this is what happens...if one starts and it spreads like wildfire...anyways best of luck for both..
3. MeoCao (unregistered)
eye for eye...LOL
17. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 3706; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
How is it a win? The patents Motorola are trying to enforce are FRAND patents. That's not a win.
19. phitch (Posts: 214; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
Given that it is 7 undisclosed patents they are going after Apple for how do you know they are FRAND patents? Just assuming again?
40. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 3706; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
Because motorola tried the same thing with Microsoft and it didn't work so well.
20. tedkord (Posts: 4955; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
They are being reported as non-FRAND patents. The threat of an import ban may be just enough to get Apple to stop its lawsuit nonsense.
I'd like to think a taste of their own medicine would sour them on this type of behavior, but I get the feeling that once Apple hears its got its own medicine, they'll be filling suit against all pharmaceutical companies.
23. MeoCao (unregistered)
41. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 3706; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
The iPhone won't get banned. The government isn't that stupid plus Apple has tons more cash at their leverage than the government does.
People have been trying to copy the iPhone since it was released. Its only reasonable to assume that some companies would use FRAND patents to try and sue them after Apple sued others for patent infringement.
42. willard12 (Posts: 823; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
"People have been trying to copy the iPhone since it was released." Can you name something that was INVENTED by apple? Not bought, not prior art, but actually created by apple. Only originals can be copied.
47. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
There's no sign of him, he's disappeared.
52. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 3706; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
You know they created the iPhone, the Mac, and the iPod?
45. tedkord (Posts: 4955; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
You can keep saying FRAND as many times as you like. It won't change the fact that these new patents are not FRAND. No FRAND involved.
Further more, these are probably patents for actual technological advancements, and not for rectangles and grids and black.
And, as someone else pointed out, FRAND does not stand for FRee if Apple Needs it for Devices.
46. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Tedkord I believe, I think this is Taco.....?
What do you think?
50. remixfa (Posts: 13938; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
ha, i like what you did there at the end. :)
no thats not taco. Sniggs use to/still thinks its Miz
6. 305Bucko (Posts: 506; Member since: 07 Aug 2011)
THE SEQUEL: Moto vs Apple... Sony Pictures presents... a Quentin Tarantino film... Starring "THE ROCK" as Motorola Lawyer... Lucy Liu as Judge Koh... and George Clooney as Tim Cook...
Coming this winter to a theatre near you...
Based on a true story (this film is not yet rated)
7. mas11 (Posts: 1030; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
I have a good feeling about the Motorola vs. Apple lawsuit. For once this won't be about who invented the rectangle or swipe to unlock. It will be about something important like radios in the phones which actually have an impact on how the phone functions.
12. vickygamit (Posts: 29; Member since: 16 Aug 2012)
now every article comes related lawsuits, not innovation related articles
15. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)
Meanwhile ! The iPhone is still boring...
16. Savage (unregistered)
Would love if David Fincher made movies on these lawsuits.
Anyways, Apple will sue Motorola for suing Apple as Apple invented suing other companies for violating patents! :P
21. wendygarett (unregistered)
im afraid i have to stand at apple side :)
Android never win :)
25. MeoCao (unregistered)
Lawsuits are not all bad as wars are not always evil.
The Allies declared war on Germany, and now Google takes Apple to court for their bad behavior.
24. kach22 (Posts: 116; Member since: 04 Nov 2011)
What started as a comedy flick now evolving as a thriller. Way to go moto. Scare the living daylight out of the ugliest villain of the mobilephone world.
26. rickywinataa (Posts: 262; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)
well, this is the result of apple trying to sue every tech company, yes ?
27. 12Danny123 (Posts: 86; Member since: 18 Aug 2012)
Moto need ban the phone. you know...... the tiny phone. known as......... iphone
iphone = dry and boring and it's lifeless icons compared to wp tiles and android widgets
28. vickygamit (Posts: 29; Member since: 16 Aug 2012)
apple is busy with next iphone or lawsuites??
29. rickywinataa (Posts: 262; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)
probably the reason the new iPad and iOS 6 is almost the same as their predecessor is because they spent almost all the time trying to sue htc, motorola & samsung LOL
30. roscuthiii (Posts: 1843; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
Unless these are some fairly strong examples of infringement, I'd rather have seen Motorola not make this move at all. Otherwise, it's no less anti-competitive & innovation-stifling than any other company using the legal system to patent troll over trivial differences.
It just seems like any company filing a lawsuit coinciding with an imminent product launch, said product is only an incremental upgrade. Funds that could have benefited product development are instead channeled over to some lawyer's TaylorMade's & tee times.
34. lyndon420 (Posts: 1769; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
Motorola was the first OEM to put iTunes on a phone, and then apple decided to stop working with them so they could put out their own branded phone. Apple has been on the offensive with most of their trials, so I would find it funny if after the dust settles no OEM would chance working with apple.
36. MartyK (Posts: 715; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)
Yeah baby!!...everybody was wondering when "The Giant" was going to get involve to end MS APPLE from attacking Android; here it is.. BAM!!!
Ban Apple products.
Ban MS product (even tho I was hoping for the XBOX-720); oh well, F-them!! Ban all their MS junk...lol
Do anyone knows if Moto is asking for a ban (stop iphone at the border) off the bat?..
37. MartyK (Posts: 715; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)
Alan F, since you refuse to give more details:
1.claiming that features on some Apple devices, including the Siri voice-recognition program, infringe its patent.
2.Mobility patents on features including location reminders and e-mail notification.
Motorola Mobility and Apple have been fighting since at least 2010 after licensing talks failed. Apple has said Motorola Mobility is making unreasonable demands
The commission is scheduled to announce a final decision "Aug. 24" in the earlier case, and could impose an import ban on the iPhone.
Kristin Huguet, a spokeswoman for Cupertino, California- based Apple, had no immediate comment.
48. networkdood (Posts: 6274; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Certain iTROLLS have stated that this is the same old motorola suing apple over FRAND patents thing...except....
GOOGLE owns MOTO now - guess what? APPLE is in deep shadoodoo.
49. networkdood (Posts: 6274; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
The next iOS and iPhone will show you how these silly lawsuits have been hurting apple.
51. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6584; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
Motorola was the first company to invent the cell phone. MOTOROLA have every right to sue APPLE.