When it comes to the Samsung GALAXY Nexus, it's later than you think!
0. phoneArena 01 Nov 2011, 22:51 posted on
It looks like the Samsung GALAXY Nexus will be launching via Verizon after the start of the holiday shopping season on Black Friday according to a roadmap obtained by Droid-Life; the first Android device to be driven by Ice Cream Sandwich was originally thought to launch on November 10th...
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1. squallz506 (banned) (Posts: 1075; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
so it might come to another carrier before verizon then?
11. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)
Not directly from another carrier in the US.
2. BattleBrat (Posts: 1232; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
Hmmmm, The plastic originally bugged me, but I shove all my phones in cases anyway, so I might give it a shot. I'm interested in the Nexus, but I am crazy about the RAZR, but as a Verizon customer, I wouldn't be able to root the DROID RAZR, right? but I would be able to root the Nexus, yes? I'm addicted to open garden. (unlimited data makes the addiction worse)
What can I root? the Nexus or the DROID RAZR (I can't get a moto razr, just a Droid Razr) Help?
4. clevername (Posts: 1435; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
There is an article here on phonearena about the RAZR already being rooted. Check it out. Also I read that the RAZR either won't have a locked bootloader or it'll be easily unlocked(not sure what it was-I'm no Android expert, just saying what I saw).
30. terabyteRouser (Posts: 457; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Some guy named hashcode is developing this new bootloader that basically runs inside the default bootloader without having to unlock the bootloader. And with the new apprach you will be able to switch to multiple ROMs without having to wipe each time. I'm not sure if there is overhead with doing that in speed, but it looks like there will be an alternative to running other ROMs with locked bootloaders.
31. terabyteRouser (Posts: 457; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Check YouTube, he has the Droid Bionic and Droid 3 running experimental versions of CyanogenMod.
5. squallz506 (banned) (Posts: 1075; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
the RAZR has already been rooted. id go for the RAZR over the nexus as well.
6. superguy (Posts: 272; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
The RAZR can be rooted. It's the bootloader that's locked and encrypted. This prevents some deeper level modifications, such as custom kernels. ROMs can still be developed, but they'll all be using the stock kernels.
13. belovedson (Posts: 832; Member since: 30 Nov 2010)
thats a big deal. stock kernals usually suck
7. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)
You will be able to root both. In fact, the RAZR has already been rooted. Whether or not VZW will patch that loophole before release remains to be seen, however. The RAZR will have a locked and _encrypted_ boatloader though.. not the end of the world, but it certainly makes it more difficult to work with. The Nexus should be completely unlockable. That probably didn't help you out much, haha. =]
12. sgogeta4 (Posts: 393; Member since: 02 Feb 2011)
If you don't plan on loading custom ROMs or doing anything to the stock phone then get the Razr. Rooting is just getting superuser access and is not a big deal IMO (it's simply just the first step needed before you do more complex things). IMO I'd go with the Nexus if you're going to get a case, though I'm getting it even though I don't use one because the case is actually a really durable polymer, despite what the marketing from Moto says with their Kevlar, etc. Don't be misled by the word plastic...
14. belovedson (Posts: 832; Member since: 30 Nov 2010)
rooting and changing kernals is a big deal for android phones. a stock captivate is practically unusable. once rooted, zip alligned, ext4 instead of rfs and running different kernals makes the phone alive
17. remixfa (Posts: 14253; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
alright.. here is your breakdown
The Razr has ALREADY been rooted... so that issue is non existant
The real issues are:
1)what do you prize more...percieved durability (Razr) or direct and instant upgrades from google? The nexus WILL ALWAYS be the most up to date and the Razr will be as up to date as moto leaks software to XDA (which they are not that known to do)
2) do you prize higher MPX numbers on the camera (razr) (which means NOTHING), or the highest resolution screen availible (galaxy nexus)
its total preference, but honestly, i would take the nexus and put it in a case... otherwise.. hardware wise, the nexus and the Razr are almost identical. It will come down to screen vs camera for most... as well as guaranteeid upgrades or not.
If that's not a big deal for you, id suggest waiting till Q1 2012 and seeing what the landscape looks like.
18. mctcm (Posts: 204; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Being that Google owns Motorola Mobility, the developer of the Razr, I don't really understand how you can possibly assert that the Nexus will receive updates that much faster than the Razr. That seems rather short sighted.
19. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
The updates will need to be adjusted with whatever motoblur is on the RAZR. It may not take quite as long as it had in the past for Motorola phones to get updates but realistically the Nexus will most likely receive updates before the RAZR.
20. mctcm (Posts: 204; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
I agree to some extent, which is why I phrased my commentary as "that much faster."
Google purchased MM for their patent portfolio. The continued existence of the Motorola Mobility development segment rather depends on MM's product success. I interpret this as fast, successful rollouts of the updated Android platform & thorough developer support.
21. roldefol (Posts: 3260; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
I would also be very, very, VERY surprised if Motorola doesn't make the next Nexus. Motorola may not have chosen their hardware partners (ie TI) in concert with Google, but it certainly dovetailed nicely with Google's picks for the Nexus/ICS. They're setting up to be the de facto Android standard starting next year, as a wholly owned Google subsidiary should be.
25. roldefol (Posts: 3260; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
That's not to say that Google will lock out other manufacturers, of course (as our old friend Peter badaly portended). The Nexus line is supposed to serve as a standard for the current capabilities of Android, but one phone released once a year on a couple of carriers isn't much market presence. I'd like to see Google reshape Motorola as a whole lineup of various phones that ALL represent the Android state of the art. That would certainly leave room for HTC, Samsung, etc to sell their own Android lines with greater or lesser capabilities, shapes and sizes, but Motorola should be the reference standard.
24. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
Ah, as someone else has mentioned here... maybe I shouldn't post so early in the morning. I completely missed that part of your comment.
In that case I agree with you... my bad lol
26. McLTE (Posts: 740; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
You obviously aren't well informed about the software upgrade process.
The reason the Nexus phone will get the upgrades first is because it's a PURE Google phone. It runs STOCK Android. When Google has a build ready to go, the phone can accept it immediately.
All the other manufacturers (Sammy, Moto, HTC..) they all have their own overlay like HTC Sense, Motoblur.. each Android software update has to go through these companies and be tested to be sure it works with their overlays and to make any changes if necessary.
This all slows down the upgrade process for the non-Nexus phones.
So yeah, Remixfa has it exactly right.. you want the fastest updates, get the Nexus!
I hope Moto updates the Razr quickly, but there is NO WAY it will update as fast as the Nexus.
27. mctcm (Posts: 204; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
You are overly discounting the fact that MM is owned by Google. I would be surprised if they weren't already working on a rollout of ICS for the Razr.
38. remixfa (Posts: 14253; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Motorola does not get an inside tract on cell phones. When the nexus is released, google will post the ICS source code on the internet for the world to use. Moto will get access to it at the same time as everyone else.
32. terabyteRouser (Posts: 457; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Google does not own Motorola Mobility yet.
3. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)
What happened the 11/10? The RAZR. Then came the Rezound. The answer is this: VZW simply does not want to push the Nexus above those two phones. The fact that it's bloat free means less money for them, so they will hold out as long as they can in the hope that you will cave and buy the RAZR/Rezound.
DON'T DO IT! Stay strong people! This is the DROID we're looking for.
8. squallz506 (banned) (Posts: 1075; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
i think verizon is just smart enough to know that they shouldnt market the RAZR after the NEXUS. id imagine verizon is going to release a ton of ads featuring the RAZR as a revolutionary device, those ads wouldnt be as effective following the release of ICS because the RAZR is gingerbread. i wouldnt want to buy a gingerbread phone after ICS is released.
34. terabyteRouser (Posts: 457; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Yeah, even the non-tech savvy customers will be able to pick up the RAZR then walk over and pick up the Nexus and be able to tell something is obviously inferior about the RAZR.
10. zhieson (Posts: 10; Member since: 21 Jun 2011)
Nexus...want you so bad... but Razr becoming so tempting.
15. RAIDERWILL (Posts: 22; Member since: 07 Aug 2011)
Oh God Droid Charge... I Love You So Much... Sweetheart, I will Never Let You Go... LQQK how sexy you are after I got you that RomJob.. Your Chest now Sticks Out to 1,300 mhz.. Baby LQQK how the design of that Custom Kernel has Firmed and Lifted Your Ass up.. And when you top it off Dressed Up in your Go Launcher EX outfit.. with just a Hint of TSM Transistions for the Full Effect.. There is NOTHING finer than you out there..
29. Synack (Posts: 670; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)
God I hate my Droid Charge, even WITH Gummycharged.
37. sgogeta4 (Posts: 393; Member since: 02 Feb 2011)
The Droid Charge is an awesome phone. It has THE best audio DAC currently available in any smartphone. That's if you actually care about audio quality. Other than that the hardware is still pretty good for majority of users, especially if you load a custom ROM.
22. Alantef (Posts: 287; Member since: 14 Sep 2011)
already pre ordered my nexus on ebay for $599.....im HOPE its the 17th release date
33. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
isnt the 17th release date for the GSM model? do you know what technology the model you ordered is?
35. terabyteRouser (Posts: 457; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Do you not reside in the United States?
36. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
599? Dam that's the best preorder I've seen on ebay.
And for the other guys asking probably yes he is not on Verizon
39. ddsaxy (Posts: 2; Member since: 02 Nov 2011)
Dissappointed me this time phonearena. The leaked "roadmap" that's pictured is for the advertising schedule only. Whoever leaked it didn't send the full snapshot. I suspect they'll have a quiet launch on Black Friday and start advertising it on that Monday, though nothing's official yet.
40. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6966; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
If this don't comes to AT&T any sooner. I'll wait for the next Nexus phone.