WhatsApp co-founder "flattered" that iOS 8's iMessage is "borrowing" core WhatsApp features
Snapchat also has a stick to beat Apple with – the “self-destructing” messaging feature that will arrive on board of iMessage along with iOS 8 is among the core aspects of Snapchat. Thus, it will come to no surprise if the latter also comes out and criticizes Cupertino for “borrowing” this functionality.
An Australian company, named HealthKit, also got pretty annoyed at Apple. It appears that the tech giant could have forgotten to secure a trademark for its new health-centric product in the Land Down Under.
source: @JanKoum via TechCrunch
very flattering to see Apple "borrow" numerous WhatsApp features into iMessage in iOS 8 #innovation— jan koum (@jankoum) June 2, 2014
You can also check out our preview of iOS 8 and most of the new features on board here.
1. jellmoo (Posts: 690; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
Wonder if he felt the same way when WhatsApp "borrowed" those features from BBM?
6. buccob (Posts: 1475; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)
And then BBM borrowed features from Viber, Google Talk and took back some from Whatsapp itself
11. suavemezie (Posts: 62; Member since: 21 Jun 2012)
You don't even know BBM, viber and Google Talk is something that came out after BBM.
14. jaytai0106 (Posts: 1298; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)
Probably too young to even know what BBM even is haha. I loved the BBM on my Storm 2 :D
34. buccob (Posts: 1475; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)
I had the Flip, Bold, Storm 2 and then ditch it all for Android...
I do know BBM since early stage... and it was until recently that they allow Calling over their service... something already found on Viber and Google Talk...
Dont get me wrong... BBM was the best thing about a BB phone back in the day... but with the advent of Whatsapp and other alternatives BBM just froze... and BB in general were late for every possible innovation.
35. buccob (Posts: 1475; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)
Yet Viber and google talk incorporated features that were not found in BBM up until recently...
38. meanestgenius (Posts: 1478; Member since: 28 May 2014)
BBM had those features long before Viber, Google Talk and WhatsApp. BBM is the innovator here.
42. buccob (Posts: 1475; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)
I don't remember making data calls from BBM back when I had the Storm 2... not even when I switch to Android and viber came out...
In fact, one of the main reasons I changed to an Android phone was because there were front facing cameras in their phones... But it wasnt until January 2013 that BB release a Z10 with that option... thus making video calls from BBM impossible... and Google Talk already allowed this. The other reason I switch was that there was no TV out option...
The only BB device that was able to video chat was the Playbook... and we all know how that ended...
Blackberry Messenger 7 was the version that allowed free Wi-Fi calls... but it was not available over data plans like Viber...
And I am sorry to poop your BB party over here.. but a "Business" phone without Video Conference capabilities is really obsolete... the same goes for no TV-out until recent devices... so you can't even do a proper presentation with a Torch...
50. meanestgenius (Posts: 1478; Member since: 28 May 2014)
BBM may have not had certain capabilities until a year or two ago, but it has definitely caught up and surpassed the others in terms of functionality. The other messaging apps like viber and WhatsCrap don't even have the "delivered and read" capabilities. And how many times has WhatsCrap gone down? Gtalk is ok, but it just isn't as functional as BBM. Viber is a JOKE. And I won't even bother to iMessage. That's just the worst of the bunch.
And BBM has something else going for it also: Its called SECURITY. I don't have to worry about my data being sold to third parties like with WhatsApp or Google's GTalk. I know my messages are safe and secure, and I know that they are SENT SECURELY. And being that BlackBerry's do now do video conferencing, video out and something else the others lack: Screen Sharing, that last point you were trying to make is pretty much a non-factor. And BBM has more people engaged on it on a daily basis than WhatsApp or Viber or any of the others.
So sorry to poop on your Android-Viber-WhatsApp party over here, but when it comes to MESSAGING and BUSINESS, NO OTHER handset compares to a BlackBerry. ESPECIALLY a BlackBerry 10 device.
53. buccob (Posts: 1475; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)
Hey, in case you don't know how to read or comprehend properly, the discussion and the point being made is about who borrow features from who.... Not about what messenger service is the best.
Actually I was eagerly waiting for BBM when it was rumored to launch on Android, but when I finally had it, I got tired of it. I ended up uninstalling redundant services from my device.
I deleted Viber, BBM, Line... Because WhatsApp, FB Messenger and Hangouts are enough to cover ALL the people in my contact list that I need to talk to. Including BB users.
I worry more about having redundant services running in my phone's background than companies "stealing" my conversations.
People have become too paranoid today about privacy... Whatever it just means that they know what to advertise better for us.
And I am one of the few among my friends and family that recognize BB 10 as a great device... Sadly it was too late and it didn't get enough traction
55. meanestgenius (Posts: 1478; Member since: 28 May 2014)
Hey, in case YOU didn't know how to read or comprehend properly, I answered to that in my first response to you. BBM is what innovated FIRST. WhatsApp and the rest came along and "borrowed" features from BBM FIRST. BBM just came in and "borrowed" some features from the them, and did it better to boot. My comments are on topic.
And if you think it's being PARANOID to worry about your PRIVACY, then you're not thinking straight. I don't know about you, but I don't like being force fed advertisements from ANYBODY.
And BB10 will have all the traction it needs soon enough. It's already starting, with the release of the Z3.
58. buccob (Posts: 1475; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)
Hehehe alright buddy, good luck with your BlackBerry, I'm sure the Z3 will be an international success.
Don't hesitate to write me back in the near future when you end up buying an Android/iPhone/WP and BlackBerry goes the way of Palm
59. meanestgenius (Posts: 1478; Member since: 28 May 2014)
I already own a Nexus 4(Android) and a Lumia 925(Windows Phone). I had an iPad mini 2 but sold it as it is utter rubbish.
Me having and used all of these devices is what made me make the informed decision of going with BlackBerry. I had a BlackBerry Z10 but am now using a Q10 as I am a huge fan of BlackBerry's iconic hardware keyboard.
Don't hesitate to write ME back here in the near future when BlackBerry is still alive and well, and flourishing. I will be sure to have a nice cold beverage for you so can wash down your own words, which you will be eating.
60. buccob (Posts: 1475; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)
Lol ok, now I see the whole picture...
You had a similar but opposite experience to what I did...
I had earlier blackberry devices that drove me away from them....
Anyway I never criticized your choice of using BB, but in my personal experience the hardware keyboard is a technology thats not going to come back as a popular choice... There are simply way more advantages to have a touch screen instead of a single function keyboard.... specially when you are able to type faster with the proper software keyboard than any iconic BB hardware keyboard... (just check mobile texting world records, former by Word Flow & Swype and currently hold by Flesky)
However I respect your choice since everyone has different needs, I for instance love to have a waterpoof device... and many consider that unnecessary...
But living in a country that was one of the most important BB targets in the world (Venezuela) has showed me the trend on that particular brand in a way that people from Europe, N.A. or Asia wouldn't understand (only Africa lived a similar experience)... So believe me when I tell you that for BB there is no coming back...
They are burning the last chances they have with hardware.. and they are making software available for other platforms... something that was their last resource, and never wanted to do before...
It sincerely saddens me because I like the build quality of certain blackberry models and they really had something good, but former CEOs screwed badly.
Anyway, my final point is... No, I will not eat my words... I will not even Unfollow this thread, so I can read it later on...
61. meanestgenius (Posts: 1478; Member since: 28 May 2014)
BlackBerry's hardware keyboard is the best keyboard in the business. And with their recent innovations on their hardware keyboard, (swipe gestures, anyone?) It's only going to get better. Their virtual keyboards are nothing to sneeze at either.
BlackBerry is transitioning to a software company that does hardware also. There is nothing wrong with them releasing software for the completion. WP does it. So does Google. That doesn't make it a "last ditch effort", as there was one of the 3 stooge before JC took over that wanted to release BBM cross platform. And it wasn't Heinz.
Believe me when I tell you, BlackBerry is about MORE THAN its hardware, much like MS is about more than its hardware, or Apple. BlackBerry will still be around for years and years to come, building devices as well, just mainly for the REGULATED INDUSTRIES. That is BlackBerry's bread and butter, and as soon as consumer-minded individuals such as yourself realize this, the sooner you will realize the bigger picture.
I respect your choice in OS, and have had similar experiences with Android, iOS and WP which have driven me right back to BlackBerry. I even LEFT the platform once, only to come right back as no other platform suits me the way BlackBerry does.
Oh, and I've got a brand new set of eating utensils for you when the time comes to eat your words. Lol.
57. meanestgenius (Posts: 1478; Member since: 28 May 2014)
And you would have to worry about "redundant" services running in the background on an Android phone...those things are just TOO RESOURCE HUNGRY.
51. meanestgenius (Posts: 1478; Member since: 28 May 2014)
And news flash: BlackBerry video calling works over WiFi AND with a data plan.
56. meanestgenius (Posts: 1478; Member since: 28 May 2014)
Doesn't matter when they got it. The fact is that it's been over a year since they've had it, and not only does it work phenomenally, but it's better than the others you have mentioned and has more features.
22. Ashoaib (Posts: 2268; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
Borrowed? This is called copy as far as apple's explanation is concerned, like what they say about samsung, a copy cat... infact apple is a copy cat
23. Jommick (Posts: 207; Member since: 10 Sep 2013)
and when BBM "borrowed" them from traditional instant message platforms.
26. DerryAhmad (Posts: 245; Member since: 05 May 2012)
Yeah.. seriously.. BBM is probably one of the full featured IMs out there. Even before Whatsapp.
Feed, BBM Call, BBM Video, Groups, Channel, Send Audio/Video/Location, Live Sharing your Screen, even the most basic Sent/Delivered/Read Notice.
30. PAPINYC (Posts: 2305; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)
WhatsApp has evolved into a useful messaging app with some unique features; I, too, would be pissed at the blatant iNfringement - can't sApple come up with anything on its' own?? To what extent will they iCopy everyone??
37. stealthd (Posts: 968; Member since: 12 Jun 2011)
Except there's no infringement, because Whatsapp didn't invent these features, and they're not patented, nor should they be.
44. kryme (Posts: 141; Member since: 24 Oct 2013)
i dont think ur getting it...... company barrow from each other thats the way how it suppose to go.......but apple is the only 1 that dont want nobody copying them so why r they copying from others..... thats why companies lashing out against apple.... because if whatsapp should use the same font or color scheme from apple... apple gonna sue
3. greathero1 (Posts: 490; Member since: 13 Jun 2008)
He should have patented those features and sued them for compensation. At the end of the day, his platform still is better because you can use it on multiple platforms. That's my biggest gripe with iMessage and Facetime. I use them quite often when I am on my iPad but they are practically useless through the day because I carry the Note 3.
12. darkkjedii (Posts: 11819; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
There needs to be a universal vid chat feature.
21. BattleBrat (Posts: 1090; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
Its called Skype, and its on pretty much everything.
31. Penny (Posts: 1185; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
I try explaining this to my sister because I have WP, my brother has Android, and my sister has an iPhone. She refuses to use anything other than Facetime because she only knows how to use Facetime, and doesn't want to venture out of that.
But dammit she has the cutest baby so I had to buy an iPad just for Facetime. Such a waste of money and one of the reasons I won't use such a proprietary platform otherwise: many iUsers tend to only use integrated product features that Apple makes sure are proprietary, so they necessarily get dependent on and snobby about those proprietary features. The really annoying part is that so many people use iPhones that it makes sense for them to jump into that proprietary world where those other iPhone users exist.
33. greathero1 (Posts: 490; Member since: 13 Jun 2008)
From my own personal experience, Skype has not been very reliable on my phones. We set have the app and have tried to use it but it gets irritating after a while. It works great on my PC though.
41. darkkjedii (Posts: 11819; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
If it has to be installed third party, it's not universal. Texting is universal, and comes pre loaded. Once again, there needs to be a universal vid chat.
52. VZWuser76 (Posts: 1578; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
They don't have Skype in the App store? Because universal means will work on anything without having to modify it. So if it's in the App store, it's no more difficult than downloading any other app, and if someone can't handle that what's the point of the App store.
32. PAPINYC (Posts: 2305; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)
Now why would you need a universal 'vid chat' feature; it would be illegal for you to scariFy' everyone.
4. MrOCD (unregistered)
I do t think Apple is competing with Snapchat at all. The self destructing messages are only for photo,video,and audio, and Apple said it was to save storage space because those messages take up a lot of space.
5. buccob (Posts: 1475; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)
So... apple is not just trolling Android users... is also trolling App Developers as well...
You hear that Michael H.?
15. N3Z1droid (Posts: 87; Member since: 02 Jan 2014)
You cant blame new Apple innovation... trolling is Apple can do now lol
19. BattleBrat (Posts: 1090; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
Back off of Michael H. He is a tech fan and plays with all things tech. He is also one of the most level headed writers here. go to the verge if you want to see bias read the article this is the new Apple
24. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
Recently he is siding and giving credits to Apple. He was never that inclined towards Apple before.
28. BattleBrat (Posts: 1090; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
He just doesnt understand the hate. Yes, apple keeps copying android, they've been doing this for a couple years, what's new?
36. buccob (Posts: 1475; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)
I didn't mean to sound like I was critisizing Michael H... I was just trying to get his attention so he can include this opinion to his recent article regarding Apple Trolling
7. AstronautJones (Posts: 268; Member since: 01 Aug 2012)
I personally think they should be able to implement features. No big deal.
I just find it ironic they have been able to sue others for exactly the same thing .
16. Taters (Posts: 3229; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
They should have never won that trial. It was sensationalist lawyering that worked because of a moronic jury.
8. DefinitiveKid (Posts: 130; Member since: 15 May 2013)
That's the way technology goes now, when is everybody going to understand? Everybody borrows from everybody, as long as it's something useful, and I'm glad they do.
17. shuaibhere (Posts: 1524; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
But but...if others borrowed features from apple(that apple borrowed from others) they get out thier mind...sue others...and not to forget ifans with their copycat comments....
But when they do it it's all right...it's how industry moves....
10. GreekGeek (Posts: 841; Member since: 22 Mar 2014)
Somehow Apple thinks that they have all the privilege to rip off everybody else's idea(s)
20. Ninetysix (Posts: 1659; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)
Can't wait for Google's 5.0 release. I'll be happy to list all the burrowed/stolen features.
25. VZWuser76 (Posts: 1578; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
And you miss the point entirely. The difference being when Apple does it, it's apparently ok. But when others do it to Apple, they're copycats, and must be sued and made to pay. Hypocrisy abounds.
I'm saying if it's OK for one, then it should be OK for all, and if it's wrong for one, then it should be wrong for all. Make sense?
29. shahrooz (Posts: 165; Member since: 17 Sep 2013)
They won't be able to steal anything from their own android ICS a.k.a iOS 8. /sarcasm off
47. AfterShock (Posts: 2812; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
Get on your burrow an ride, just be careful if you're using Apple maps on them cliffs.
The one thing Apple should have copied a your better.
40. Totse2k15 (Posts: 272; Member since: 11 Feb 2014)
Apple - It's OK to copy/borrow, but will sue when others do the same and/or do it better. Lmaol!
43. Kjayhawk (Posts: 289; Member since: 07 Oct 2010)
Everyone borrows its not a big deal. chances are and i hope a lot of these imessage features will be implemented into hangouts...
46. iMemo (Posts: 103; Member since: 22 Feb 2014)
Apple didn't infringe any patents. So its cool... :p
49. Blazers (Posts: 220; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)
Whatsapp should also be pissed at Viber, WeChat, LINE, and Kakao as they also offer the same features.