What do you make of Samsung's 26 screens and counting mobile strategy?
0. phoneArena 13 Jun 2013, 08:46 posted on
Does this huge overlapping portfolio spell trouble for Samsung like it did for Nokia five years ago? After all, we are just learning that the company has issued more careful Galaxy S4 guidances to investors, and has shrunk its parts orders forecast from 30 to 20 million units for the next quarter...
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15. Jason2k13 (Posts: 648; Member since: 28 Mar 2013)
How is it annoying? go to your phone store and how many samsung phones do you see? 100? 50? or 4? cause in all the phone stores i go to, i only see 4 different Samsung phones at most. That doesn't sound alot does it?
Maybe its annoying for you because all you see is samsung phones on phone reviews and blogs, but in reality you wont see many different types of samsung phones.
62. Wiki_jaan (Posts: 703; Member since: 24 Jun 2012)
yupe ... and samsung also have a 8.9inch tablet
43. skyguy7567 (Posts: 148; Member since: 17 Nov 2012)
Electrical stores here in Hong Kong have a dedicated section piled with at least fifty different Samsung phones on display. Just makes me go dizzy. Same pattern repeating 50 times. Boring and cheap look. This totally breaks your theory. I can give you a photo of the store.
46. Jason2k13 (Posts: 648; Member since: 28 Mar 2013)
was that the Samsung section? or Samsung store? what do you expect? They should add iphone products to?
110. skyguy7567 (Posts: 148; Member since: 17 Nov 2012)
Those stores are called Broadway and Fortress. If you don't believe that samsung just comes in numbers not quality. Go to GSMarena. Type 'Galaxy S4' and 4 or 5 different models come up, each with a very little difference. Mind you, those are only S4 not S4 Active or those stuff. You see what I mean? If you type something like Xperia Z or Nokia Lumia 920 and only ONE comes up. Not enough evidence? Go to Phandroid and you will find a huge amount of samsung phones just there. Each with very little difference. If you click on the 'Galaxy S4' you can also find tons of problems with it. Screen, those useless features and tons of other issues. samsung is in sheer fleet size but 0% quality
52. iamfoolhehe (Posts: 28; Member since: 03 Jun 2013)
Thats true for example in india hardly 10 models including flagship, note series, basic series etc you can see. I REPEAT hardly 10 models!!
When sites come with new new reviews people thinking this all will be in the store !! Thats why they keep on saying many phones !
A sensible person wont say like that !
56. iamfoolhehe (Posts: 28; Member since: 03 Jun 2013)
I am talking about country world second largest in temrs population and 1/7 of world population !
Samsung actualy not producing many phones !
Yestrday my girl friend asked for a phone for her to chat/talk with me ..what wil I do ? Which budget phone I will buy for her ? Asha series which phone automaticly shut down every day 2-3 times ( personal experience ) ?
No I planed to buy asha 302 but asha S40 platform..no apps !! No multitasking very important these days !
So I atlast I come up with idea of buying samsung galaxy chat ..jellybeans os..qwerty keyboard..touch screen..best for her to talk with me :) and wondering what it cost less than asha 302 !!!! In india Rs.5000 only that is $90 only ..
There is my samsung wins !! If there is no choice which phone I will buy to her ?
Samsung is great conpany for all kind people !
87. Diazene (Posts: 124; Member since: 01 May 2013)
your name really describes you
my dad has an asha 305 and it never restarts, can open multiple programs AFAIK and it has lots of apps
a laggy low quality galaxy chat, it looks horrible, and it's not durable, and it can't run most of the apps in the store
61. iamfoolhehe (Posts: 28; Member since: 03 Jun 2013)
Punny poop is XPERIAdroid ! I am sure !
Please go and get a life bro ..or only use one account !
The bittertruth also you !
63. andro. (Posts: 1960; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Agreed my work carries around 5 different Samsung devices, rival networks have a good few of the same except for a different handset here and there. The options means a bit of differentiation between carriers also. Only place that gets messy is online retailers if they have like 40 different handsets to pick from
122. JohnnyZ (Posts: 33; Member since: 30 Sep 2011)
I think the annoying thing is that, if Samsung were smart they'd stop making incremental upgrade phones and just concentrate on 3 or 4 phones and make them really good, then lower production cost could be passed on to the consumer. There are literally 17 Samsung phones between all the carriers in the US right now. 5 on Verizon, 3 more on Sprint, 1 more on T-Mobile, 3 more on AT&T, 3 more on BoostMobile, and finally 2 more on VirginMobile. These are ALL SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SAMSUNG PHONES. And no, I didn't recount the galaxy sX's that are on each carrier. This is just stupid, cuz the only one's that work well are the Galaxy S series and the Galaxy Nexus. Why not just keep making the original Galaxy S instead of these other phones with the same specs that don't work as well and never get OS upgrades. I'm sure the production cost would be insanely low to keep making a phone that's already been designed 2.5 years ago! WTF?!
48. iamfoolhehe (Posts: 28; Member since: 03 Jun 2013)
I am great samsung fan .. I know this is choice for customers but problem is too much choice is also a problem for customers to select the device !
59. Zeus.k (unregistered)
SAMSUNG is not forcing you to buy all the phones they make so how is it annoying for you? stop trolling all the samsung articles.
70. Taters (Posts: 3261; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
What is annoying is the North American media covering every single Samsung phone in existence, even the ones that are remote island only. They never had an article for every Nokia phone, heck, they never even reported much on the Asha line.
If idiots like PunyPoop here can fall for the illusion of one Samsung phone a week, then I am sure there are many more, especially here at phonearena.
2. sats.mine2k4 (banned) (Posts: 208; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)
More choices are always good...
3. PunyPoop (Posts: 741; Member since: 18 Jan 2013)
More choices is good if the phones are not the same looking phone.. SAMESUNG!
27. WHoyton1 (Posts: 1627; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
You are an example of how a simple minded person can still laugh at the phrase same-sung, at least if your gonna insult sammy use some insult that is original!
78. Sauce (unregistered)
4. jan25 (Posts: 405; Member since: 26 Feb 2012)
how about less choices and more focusing on the quality of lesser devices.
18. tech2 (Posts: 2187; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)
Can you elaborate, how the quality of devices are affected by quantity ?
67. jan25 (Posts: 405; Member since: 26 Feb 2012)
Most of those devices are not designed well and they will probably receive little to no support. Touchwiz for example needs a lot of optimization, it lags and stutters on high end devices. Imagine how those mid-range and entry level devices will perform. Why not focus on one or two mid-ranger with a unique design language and better support? It makes more sense.
96. tech2 (Posts: 2187; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)
Firstly, Samsung has possibly the best supports when it comes to updates. Judging from the several leaks I can safely say the GS3's update can hit the market anytime soon. Have you even heard about any other OEM updating their 2013 flagship to 4.2 let alone 2012's ? Also, all the new devices (even midrange) are coming out with 4.2 which no other OEM is doing even on their flagship !
Secondly, that performance issue is with TuchWiz not with the incapable hardware. Samsung needs the optimize their TuchWiz (which they've significantly with recent update on 6th June).
Lastly, having a different design language is the only point I agree with you. They need to work on new designs.
50. _PHug_ (Posts: 380; Member since: 11 Oct 2011)
Apple makes 1 phone per year none have been perfect
79. Sauce (unregistered)
Samsung makes 1 flagship phone per year. None have been perfect.
126. adrianzka (Posts: 25; Member since: 25 Apr 2013)
Samsung makes two flagship. One that is great for most people (s-series) and one that is almost perfect for those with big hands (note series). Anyway, there is no phone which is perfect, just the one which is perfect for you.
107. FerneyZan (Posts: 70; Member since: 21 Jul 2010)
Apple can spend all the time and energy on their one phone per year. but I prefer to go with the company/ies that would offer more to choose from for the money. Why pay twice for something that doesn't even come close to what companies like Samsung or HTC have to offer..
111. skyguy7567 (Posts: 148; Member since: 17 Nov 2012)
Think about Sony. Does Sony bombard you with one phone per day? No. Sony gets new phones out according to season, and care for every single phone they make to make sure they are all in great quality. samsung, however, gets everything wrong. The built-in monitor cover often contains many air bubbles in mid-to-high ranged phones and they are very annoying. The software is laggy, has tons of bugs and is not fixed. Or most likely, fixed once a century. I've received tons of updates from Sony on my Xperia Z and each one removes a ton of bugs and made my experience a whole lot better. Phonearena, update your review. Got a friend using the GS4. We were both playing Frontline Commando and he looked at my screen and said WTF yours is so smooth! And then we switched and Frontline Commando barely matches up with a flagship type smoothness. Lots of lag. You do call that Octa Core? Xperia offers different devices at different demands. Like the Xperia Z and ZL. If you prefer a phone with a camera key but not waterproof go for ZL. Xperia Z and ZR? If you don't want a 5 inch screen size and a shudder key underwater then totally for ZR. See the difference? Instead of just bombing the market with phones that are exactly the same with just a minor movement of hardware around the device and call it an entirely different name and lower its price slightly. This is 'Cheating for more money' than 'a way to sell your phones'
12. EXkurogane (Posts: 863; Member since: 07 Mar 2013)
QUALITY is more important than quantity
25. Jason2k13 (Posts: 648; Member since: 28 Mar 2013)
that's true, but how can you judge which brand of phones has the best quality when every person has different user experience?
35. EXkurogane (Posts: 863; Member since: 07 Mar 2013)
That's because i have had hands on with countless phones from different brands? Not difficult to get my hands on a review unit when i have a family member doing phone-related business.
But when i mentioned quality, i mean in the long term - how well the device is supported, how frequent does it get updates. Dont use custom roms as an excuse to me, 90% of smartphone users dont even know how to do it unlike us who keep up and well informed with gadgets. But in terms of build quality even HTC and Sony is ahead of Samsung.
41. Jason2k13 (Posts: 648; Member since: 28 Mar 2013)
so your experience on every phones you had, makes everyone else the same as yours? And you do realized to fully experience what a phone is capable off, you need to keep using it for at least 6 month minimum, not just ONE day with it.
Also whats wrong with the build quality of Samsung? Are you saying polycarbonate is bad and glass and aluminium is good?
47. EXkurogane (Posts: 863; Member since: 07 Mar 2013)
Nope, it's not the difference between metal material and plastic material im talking about; Aluminium gets scratched way too easily. You can just compare a HTC One X with a Galaxy S3, or even S4. The difference in build quality is very obvious. There is a reason why some people including me call Samsung's plastic cheap plastic. Polycarbonate is also a variant of plastic. ABS is also a variant of plastic. The question is, which one is being used? Plastic is a general term.
Of course my experience will be difference from everyone. Experience is based off your expectations. I still know there are people who wouldnt even care being stuck on Android 2.3.7 on their phone, that kind of people have low expectations out of a smartphone. When you said you need at least 6 months of experience, i already mentioned it in comment 35 "in the long term". I dont expect Samsung to be able to support all their phones for 2 years.
100. ncarlosmiguel (Posts: 206; Member since: 14 May 2013)
Watch that and please tell me again how poorSamsung's build quality is.
72. Taters (Posts: 3261; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
Don't bother listening to him, he obviously has an agenda and has no idea what he is talking about.
71. Taters (Posts: 3261; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
Liar. I am in the phone industry too and all the evidence suggests the opposite. lol
112. skyguy7567 (Posts: 148; Member since: 17 Nov 2012)
You want evidence, right? I'll give you evidence. QUALITY. is the key. Everyone agrees to that, right? But Jason2k says that everyone has a different experience. How about a drop test from Android Authority that explains how cheap samsung's screen is. Drop test: iPhone 5 vs Galaxy s4. Galaxy s4's screen totally shattered (Gorilla Glass 3 manufactured and refit by samsung) and iPhone 5 just took scratches (Gorilla Glass 2) See the difference in quality? Xperia Z drop test. There's a guy that just throws the Xperia Z on the ground. Mind you that the Xperia Z's exterior is entirely made out of glass with plastic edges. Glass only took minor scratches. Even HTC One performed better than the GS4. Quality for samsung? I don't think so.
84. roldefol (Posts: 2984; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
"But in terms of build quality even HTC and Sony is ahead of Samsung."
You're confusing materials quality with build quality. The Galaxy S could have better gap quality and low defects, but I still wouldn't buy it over the more attractive One.
113. skyguy7567 (Posts: 148; Member since: 17 Nov 2012)
Another key for build quality is the feel of holding your phone. Would you rather have sticky plastic when you have smooth glass and metal? Plastic is so much more easy to bend and brittle than glass and metal. If you want to know why I'm saying that Xperia Z's glass is better than plastic please see post number 112. Cheapest build quality I've ever seen. Plastic plastic and more plastic. Materials is the key to user comfort.
5. maxican16 (Posts: 363; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)
The old "throw spaghetti against the wall to see what sticks" gameplan. They've got the resources for it. As an immediate strategy, it seems great. But in the long run, how do you manage that many devices? Software updates will be few and far between for the majority of those devices. And that won't make customers happy.
Beware burning bridges with customers... it's what did in LG, Motorola and HTC, and allowed Samsung to become the preeminent Android OEM.
I hate to reference Apple here, but they're not doing so bad and they've got FAR fewer devices than this. HTC is also attempting to make a come back by manufacturing fewer phones, but making sure those phones are done right. Motorola seems to be shifting gears as well, and making sure not to repeat the Bionic debacle. LG? Well, they're stuck in their countrymen's shadow.
13. Birds (Posts: 1003; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
I actually prefer LG to Samsung. I've been using a T-mobile L9 since my One X broke on AT&T for the past few months and I am impressed by the little bugger. I still have screen issues though, mainly because 4.5 inches is a tad to large for me but I got used to it. I hope that T-mobile picks up the L9II soon or the F7 because those would be a nice upgrade.
Though, 1 issue has aroused. Ever since I got the Jelly Bean update, the phone has been having data conectivity issues...when ever my cellular radio loses signal, my wi-fi blinks too. And since the update, my cell signal receptiveness has dropped. I hope they can fix it before school starts because if not, I'm gonna be screwed.
29. tedkord (Posts: 4942; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
A customer who buys a low end smartphone isn't concerned about updates, he's concerned about price and that it lasts until his next upgrade. Won't affect anything.
80. maxican16 (Posts: 363; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)
Although to your point of durability.. how much quality are these multitude of devices built with? When you've got that many devices to manufacture, managing QC must be a nightmare.
39. nicholassss (Posts: 351; Member since: 10 May 2012)
Unrelated, an I've probably said this at some point over the time I"ve posted here, but, dude, Rankin Bass Gandalf is probably the most BA cartoon character ever,
77. maxican16 (Posts: 363; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)
Agreed, with the possible exception of Rankin Bass Smaug.
73. Taters (Posts: 3261; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
You don't manage them. That is why they are called prepaid and low end. The category of the name itself suggests that they are throw aways that do not need to be sustained long term. You just sustain your high end stuff which they seem to be doing just fine for the Galaxy S and Note series.
And HTC definitely does not make sure they do their phones right, Samsung does. HTC quality control is like the dust in the L920 ffc times 10 and it just doesn't extend to the camera, it extends to everything.....including the internals.
6. pwnarena (Posts: 933; Member since: 15 Feb 2013)
and many are complaining about the number of phone sony releases.
8. HASHTAG (unregistered)
Because you don't hear about them all the time compared to Samsung.
114. skyguy7567 (Posts: 148; Member since: 17 Nov 2012)
Did you see what Sony did last year? Release phones by the quarter, according to market trend. Do you see all Sony phones going very similar to each other with just a few additional mini features? No. Many of you samsung fans may say that the Xperia Z, ZL, and ZR is too similar. Of course not. They are to suit everyone's needs. The difference in the NUMBER of features may not be a lot, but the differences are huge. Xperia Z and ZR are for people who like texting while they bath or swim, and ZL is just a cheaper alternative but still offering quad core, 5 inch screen, 443 ppi and so on and so forth. ZR is another cheaper version of the Z and it is made for those who like to bath while they text and doesn't want a 5 inch screen. You call that too many phones. Each phone receives updates and firmware fixes constantly. Sony has updated their entire fleet of phones at least twice already. (Not counting Sony Erricson) My Xperia Z has already received a couple of updates. Proving to everyone that Sony doesn't just release a phone and completely forgets about it. Samsung's reaction to the low storage in the GS4 'Go buy a SD card, idiots' Is completely unacceptable.
7. Jason2k13 (Posts: 648; Member since: 28 Mar 2013)
Samsung makes most of their phone internals by themselves, which Nokia couldn't do therefor saving samsung alot of money. Studies also shows more people buy Samsung phones from low, mid and high end so as of now, more choices is doing good for the company.
Don't forget even if Samsung loses market share from the smartphone business, they still have strong sales from making other products such as their TV's and laptops. Nokia on the other hand, relied only on their phone sales.
9. _PHug_ (Posts: 380; Member since: 11 Oct 2011)
You have to be dumb to be upset with choices and options.
Samsung is a leader and it's not easy being the leader. All the followers wait until Samsung establishes the trend then they follow. Apple slower than others, remember when 3.5" was perfect? If it was perfect there was no room for the other .5".
10. abcdefgh (banned) (Posts: 471; Member since: 29 Mar 2013)
they just wanted to slap in apples face and say 'this is how a true company works.not like u who dont listen to your customers and u think of making only costlier phones which fetchs u more money.buisness is not just about making profit.listening to customers is key part.u have a world outside US n UK'
11. xperiaDROID (limited) (Posts: 5577; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)
Yes, Samsung made too many smartphones and tablets. More choices are always good, but more choices with the same old looking is not good, NOT GOOD!