What defines a 'high-end' phone/tablet
0. phoneArena 14 Sep 2012, 06:56 posted on
It looks like some users out there aren't really aware of the true meaning of "high-end". We're concerned about this, as voicing wrong opinions can easily mislead other people. We think that's not cool, and wanted to share our view on the matter...
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77. Aeires (unregistered)
So people standing in line for days to get the newest iPhone are satisfied with their current iPhones?
Failed logic on your part, just because someone wants the best and most powerful doesn't mean they aren't satisfied, it just means technology keeps moving forward at a quick pace.
90. lyndon420 (Posts: 3370; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
You're whacked Wendy. I am satisfied with my Android phone, as are most other droid users. This new iphone is nothing compared to what android phones can do.
97. johnbftl (Posts: 273; Member since: 09 Jun 2012)
Apple has proven time and again that it does not know how to make the phone portion of a smartphone. It is repeatedly rated one of the worst phones in terms of network coverage year in and year out.
5. lyndon420 (Posts: 3370; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
So the iphone5 is not high end because they are selling it at a priceof $199. The only reason this article was written was because apple failed to launch an amazing groundbreaking device...again, and now you are trying to justify it PA.
7. lsguntu (Posts: 67; Member since: 06 Aug 2012)
Why similar article did not come up when Nokia lumia 920 was released and everyone said there is NO quadcore?
10. raunak (Posts: 507; Member since: 12 Oct 2011)
you're right. imagine if the iphone 5 would have been as feature rich as lumia 920, many would have called it the most amazing device in recent years.
14. Ray.S (Posts: 298; Member since: 19 Jul 2011)
I have mentioned many times that having dual-core CPUs in Windows Phones (including the Nokia Lumias) shouldn't be seen as a drawback, because they don't really need super-powerful quad-core chipsets. They already run perfectly smooth.
18. Mobile-X-Pert (Posts: 565; Member since: 20 Dec 2010)
Thanks Ray. That's what I wanted to hear.
26. prakesh (Posts: 92; Member since: 13 Sep 2012)
what if in the near future your beloved company used quadcore.
like they said bout more that 3.5 inch for a smartphone is ridicilous
and they would never create a 7" ipad?
109. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
but you fail to realize and many of you ifans as well, that the reason being why it runs so smooth is becuse it is a "half baked" OS which doesnt require much to run!!
so of course dual core will make it look as smooth as butter, now lets look at android.......it is a full baked cake and the dual core chips in them are still able to power them jus fine, and even smoother with jelly bean!
apple and nokia have a basic function phone and thats why they dont need quad cores......
So once again your phone is over priced for jus a basic operating phone that looks pretty and you guys act like its soo amazing that it runs smooth......of course its gonna run smooth when all its demanding is regular apps and games to run it!
android deserves the real credit for fittin in large batteries in compact phones and chips that make your phone blow past the competition no matter what the size and demand the phone asks of it..............
but fan boys will be fan boys and blind people will continue to walk with a cane........ either wake up or grow up seriously
(in response to post #14)
8. raunak (Posts: 507; Member since: 12 Oct 2011)
i disagree about the ram part. When you really need to run heavy apps in the background, the so called well optimised software can do nothing. I have an ipod touch 4th gen and it laggs horrible because it has only 256 mb ram, while the iphone 4 which has the same software and processor but double the amount of ram and so it runs smoothly.
11. frydaexiii (Posts: 1422; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
Just because software is written well and it can run on mediocre hardware, doesn't give them the right to charge a premium price for it.
By that logic, Samsung should be charging 2 times for the S3 since ICS runs well on the S2, and by buying an S3, you're not only buying well written software that can run on a phone with yesteryear's technology, you're also paying for the top of the range hardware.
To top that off, both the S3 and iPhone I believe are around the same price, both run smoothly, but the S3 does more and has better hardware, does that mean Samsung should charge more? The biggest gripe to us isn't if it's high end or mid-range, it's that Apple is charging people extra just because "the software is incredibly well written". No, we get what we pay for, and profit margins just shows how much you are actually paying for when you buy an iPhone.
32. Hemlocke (unregistered)
"Mediocre hardware"? The first Cortex-A15 phone has "mediocre hardware"? Why don't you also tell us the fairy tale about how much more premium Android build materials are, or how the software is perfect out of the box (We will pretend that XDA doesn't exist to fix your junk software). You are delusional. The "flagship" Android phone on the market (SGS3) has a painted plastic body that MIGHT cost Samsung a nickel, it has the SAME GPU from the previous generation, and it had to be blown up to skateboard size to bump the specs. The iPhone isn't the device that needs defending as "high end," it's all the garbage, "me too" Android phones.
88. frydaexiii (Posts: 1422; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
If the iPhone 5 didn't need defending, this article wouldn't be here. If the iPhone 5 didn't need defending, there wouldn't be thousands or pictures saying it's the same crap with a different name.
100. Hemlocke (unregistered)
It doesn't need defending. The author is just speaking to the main constituency here, which happens to be uneducated Android fanboys. They buy devices that need defending by the manufacturers, as evidenced by the minutiae they spew regarding every spec. Did you see Apple saying "We have the most advanced SoC on any mobile device, an ARM Cortex-A15-based chipset, blah, blah, blah..."? No. Android OEMs lack good design, fully functional ecosystems, and a refined UX, so they have to use fabricated terms like "Nature UI" or throw hard specs. It's the '90s computer wars all over again, and companies still haven't learned that you don't sprint in a race to the bottom. They could learn a lot from Apple.
101. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
lmao hemlocke you talk utter crap no other way to say it.
you proved his point beautifully that the iphone and apple needs defending with your little misinformed rant
you say about android fanboys yet your prime example of a no nothing ifan blindly defending apple and goin at anything negative towards them
140. frydaexiii (Posts: 1422; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
90s computer war? Gee, I wonder who lost that war and went back into the closet until dead Jobs pulled them out with the iPhone. And having an A15 wouldn't matter for nuts if it's still clocked at 800Mhz due to that poor battery...
43. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
The ios only requires around 120mb of ram and doesn't run any background apps, the iPhone is just an app launcher midrange phone no wonder the phone is snappy and faster than the S3, cause its a half-baked OS, and its not LINUX.Where's Android requires over 600mb of ram, and needs to push over 45+ apps and load Flash. Android needs A15 Quad-core to be on par with iP4s.
128. SleepingOz (unregistered)
be on par? Seriously?
TROLL, don't comment when you don't know what you're talking about, please!
12. maryaaadil (Posts: 146; Member since: 07 Apr 2012)
Man i kinda agree with it so you mean to say that os experience counts....
Now explian this
17. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
So does it mean that a phone with a 1GHz processor running WP and having a 480*800 pixels screen resolution is better than a Galaxy S2 simply because it doesn't lag? No. Although the overall experience is not just based on hardware, hardware is as essential as the software and a combination of the both is what determines if a phone is high/low or mid-range and not just the user experience alone. One can argue that Android lags when compared to WP7.5 or iOS but the fact that either of them cannot be customized as much as the user wants simply doesn't make iOS/WP better. I'm not talking of WP8 being better than Android simply because it isn't revealed yet. Similarly, since the stock browser and selection of apps in Symbian is terrible doesn't make the 808 a low end phone. Trust me it does work great even on a single-core processor but when I shell $600+ for a device, I expect it to have better hardware than the rivals and not just one aspect of the phone. The iPhone 5 may provide a great user experience on the platform/hardware it runs but because it is just an incremental upgrade over the 4S doesn't cut it for many. We were expecting an innovative phone and not just an increase in the screen size/resolution and a better processor than the 4S. The iPhone 5 is a disappointment because it lacks the wow factor which is offered by the Lumia 920. And whilst more RAM/number of cores.more megapixels don't always equal to a better performance they do tend to make your device a bit more future proof and that's what I expect when I shell $600+ for any device. Yes, the iPhone 5 would be better than any other existing uiPhone but the fact that it isn't as magical as the previous ones (up to the 4 were) has very well diluted the iPhone brand. Yes, WP and iOS do tend to work better than Android at low hardware but I want the hardware to be great and some innovation which'll definitely make the new phone worth buying and bragging about. I'm not telling the iPhone 5 is crap, but when compared to the 920 it simply lacks innovation/magic. And that's the reason I'm more inclined towards the 920 than iPhone 5. I am just trying to say that yes, just hardware or just software doesn't define what a high/low end phone is but its the mix of both coupled with some innovative features that a phone brings to the table is what makes it high/low end.
19. iced_heroine (Posts: 28; Member since: 09 Sep 2012)
obviously defending the iphones... i dont know bout others, but i think this blog clearly is bias... he wrote it to defend the iphone....
of course when you say high end,, its obvious that it will take the price range, the specs and the performance...
you cant call a phone a high end device if the specs does not meet the requirments...
and ITS BRAND... since IPHONE IS IPhONE... ITS high end, even though it does not met the requierment to be high end...
for me, its a midrange device,, with a very high price... :D
today, high end phones are gsg3, lumia 920, htc one x, and the motorola maxx hd...
but iphone? nah!!!
luosy phone,.. although i still love it.. :D
21. bloodline (Posts: 706; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
in this post ray is butt hurt because his beloved apple didnt offer anything new.
Fact is Android is High end iphone is not.
24. bloodline (Posts: 706; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
Its common sense - Android offers true multitasking and is highly feature rich and demands more power. That is why android is high end.
Apple offer no multitasking as such. its a simple basic OS and requires mid range spec.
same with windows
49. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Well said and true. Android is very heavy resource and power hungry....! i believe even A9 with 8 cores will still kinda lag, either its clocked at 2.0Ghz so each core will run: 1 for the screen. 2 for Android system. 3 for internet. 4 for all the apps. 5 for live wallpapers. 6 for widgets and email and other sync. 7 for games. 8 i don't know...
22. prakesh (Posts: 92; Member since: 13 Sep 2012)
ray so your telling that s3 is a high end smartphone
and iphone 5 is a midrange phone?
ahh now ic
27. SuperMaoriBro (Posts: 489; Member since: 23 Jun 2012)
I am an android fan, and I really dislike Apple but I would still consider the iPhone a top end device. People need to get over the idea that the world revolves around them. Just because someone doesn't like something they seem to have this false belief that everyone else should feel the same, and that every manufacturer should build only the devices they like, or else they will through anonymous abuse at people they don't even know. If you like iOS/Android and you want people to respect your views and choices, how about you do the same and respect other people choices.
45. Nookie4u (Posts: 133; Member since: 13 Aug 2012)
Bang! smack dead on the truth, treat others as you want them to treat you.
1+ for you sir! =D
29. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 637; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Excellent article. I think that editors all around the world are begining to realize that, slowly but surely the conciousness of what actually makes an excellent product and high-end class is growing.
However, you will face with some pretty hard criticism, because masses are the ones who are always superficial. They will take over and reproduce only the trends. They now reproduce that idea that "advancement" and "inovation" equals only "new" and "bigger" - just like you criticized.
We'll have to wait till masses take over the opposite opinion again. Unfortunately, they won't deeply understand it either.
In every way, the Apple will be the winner, because everything is always rotating around it.
34. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4774; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
To me the term "high end" means TOP of the LINE specs & materials. For instance "high end" has to have cutting edge components.
1. A POWERFUL CPU & GPU. That to me can only be a Qualcomm quad-core S4 Pro with Adreno 320 & the quad-core Samsung Exynos 4 @ this VERY moment. Things change over night.
2. The very minimum 2GB of RAM.
3. A minimum of 720p HD screen @ 4.3" or above. 1080p looks to be coming. To me the screens on HTC's flagships are the best. So S-LCD 2, Super AMOLED HD non pentile, & LG's IPS displays are the world’s best.
4. A fresh & clean OS is mandatory. Android 4.1.1 Jelly Bean is the most versatile, WP8 is a pleasant surprise & Apple's iOS is getting very dry but it's still to me the 3rd best option out there.
5. Fresh design, meaning "new" & different. To me the 3 year old looking iPhone 5 is a HUGE let down. Apple should be ashamed. Look at Nokia, HTC, Sony & Samsung for instance. They make some VERY high quality phones BUT they all look fresh & different. Part of getting a new "high end" phone is the look & feel of the device. You want to be surprised & taken with the NEW design. You don't want to be looking at the same thing for 3+ years in a row.
6. Materials. If it's plastic you want something high quality like what the Samsung Galaxy S III, Note II, HTC One X, Evo 4G LTE, HTC One S, the Sony Xperia line & the Nokia Lumia's use. Also glass is acceptable but just don't drop it. EVEN Gorilla Glass breaks. Just ask iPhone 4, 4S, & soon the 5 users. Metal is also very nice but it interferes with 3G, 4G, & Wi-Fi signals. It's widely known plastic phones get better reception than metals phones even if it's just a little bit.
7. Battery life. The Droid Razr MAXX showed us all that a HUGE battery can be put into a device & still have it look SEXY. This should be emulated more & more. A "high end" phone/tablet should last a FULL day & to me that means 14 hours of minimum battery life with HEAVY usage. So light usage should equate to 24+ hours. This can be done & will be accomplished with the newer "high end" devices.
I can keep going but I don't want to write a thesis. That is my opinion on the matter. To me the Samsung Galaxy Note II fits every aspect I just covered & to ME it's the phone that epitomizes "high end".
To each is own though. There are plenty of sexy & "high end" phones out there for EVERY walk of life.
46. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 813; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)
This is how I see a High End phone should be like:
Screen size: 4.6 & above
Screen resolution : 720p
Screen Technology: IPS LCD True HD/ TFT HD LCD w/ MBE2 (just my preference not bashing the AMOLEDS)
Battery: 2500mAh & above
Processor: either S4 Pro or Exynos 4
Memory: 32gig (internal), 64gig (SD)
Design: Experia T like design or better
Camera: 13mp (sony) or 8.7mp (pureview/nokia)
Special feature: Water, Dust & Shock resistant.
-> Oh well I can only wish
51. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4774; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
I didn't mention the camera because I feel they are still a ways to go. Don't get me wrong a good camera is key but if I want to really take photos my digital camera is very portable & VERY potent.
I also omitted memory because microSD cards are very versatile now. I should have put microSD card slot though.
+1 for you.
58. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 813; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)
True, as for me when I bough my phone the 8mp camera was a bonus, since it will save me from bringing a Digital camera. Although the image quality from a smarphone and a digital camera is still different.
110. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
a little geeky i must say but the truth is if im going drop 500 to 600 or 700 hundred dollars then you best believe it better have all the above mentioned.......dont wanna miss NOTHING!! period.......and thats why i feel apple is robbing people and they dont even care and dont even know.....is sad really when you think about it
36. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 813; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)
"And as we said above, there is no use in extremely powerful hardware, if you can achieve the same, or even better performance with less powerful hardware."
But won't superior hardware enable you to do more? Oh nevermind. . .
44. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4774; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
With a quad-core phone & can plug with just a USB on the go a 500GB external Hard Drive & still surf the web. Also I can truly multitask & do so many things. YOU may not need a quad-core but I can really put it to great use. Also with a powerful phone you can do more that a less powerful phone can. I can keep going on & on.
It's just the way it's cracked up to be. Android can do stuff that Apple can't & WP8 can't. The multitasking prowess of Android is second to none in the mobile field. Android is the closest thing to a PC in the mobile game. The line is getting more & more blurred with it when it comes to that aspect.
48. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 813; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)
Agree with you, That was Ray's statement by theway. It truely baffles me why he said that. Any idea?
53. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4774; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Cool, my response was more to the quote not you. I don't know why he would say that. I guess he doesn't use his phone that way I guess.
39. whysoserious (Posts: 318; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)
I get a sense when I was reading your post that you wrote this with the purpose to defend the iPhone 5, and not to explain the true meaning of high-end device. No offense man, but if price is the basis of a high-end device, would you consider a luxury phone like the Lamborghini TL700 a high-end device?
A high-end device should be top-quality in all aspect, not just about the beauty of the OS or how steep the cost is.
52. djoscar4u (Posts: 59; Member since: 10 Sep 2012)
Take That Android Fans!! hahaha Iphone still RULES!!!
160. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4250; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
No, it doesn't really...
Android is as smooth, if not smoother than iOS now
Android has more funtionality and personalization
Even the mid-ranges Android phones have better specs than the new iPhone, even more so with the high-end ones.
70. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
The king of restrictions and Half-baked OS.
116. xtian1103 (Posts: 363; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)
half baked os, oh you mean android which basically tells you ics/jellybean sucks and you need project butter/xda to run smoothly
142. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
half baked? let me remind you of HoneyComb.. ICS is half baked too.. dont pretend that Android is free of that because is worse..
143. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
mate seriously wheres your evidence that android is half baked and worse, there seems more prrof that android is ahead now and a much better OS
just accept it, your iOS is outdated and stale. nothing can stay the same and still be on top and fresh.
154. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
if i show you the proofs that Android is half baked will you stop callimg me.. mate and stalking me?
175. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
first off stalking you? get over yourself mate , this site is for everyone to comment and question. the fact that your comments are always biased and stupid just makes it easier
if you dont like been questioned and brought up on what you say dont comment its that simple ifan
but show the proof that android is half baked
63. voxmarc (Posts: 329; Member since: 22 Aug 2012)
Does it hurt Ray S?...your beloved iPhone Failed?are you one of these?
71. chocolatebear76 (Posts: 122; Member since: 03 Mar 2011)
Americans! enough said,LOL
72. djoscar4u (Posts: 59; Member since: 10 Sep 2012)
No wonder why My iPhone 4s is faster than my friends galaxy s3....
148. SleepingOz (unregistered)
Faster at what? Loading flash content on the net? Sending files to your friends over bluetooth?
75. abhijeit (Posts: 25; Member since: 07 Sep 2012)
Watt an unbiased lecture huh!!!! apple should employ this guy for free...