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What defines a 'high-end' phone/tablet

0. phoneArena 14 Sep 2012, 06:56 posted on

It looks like some users out there aren't really aware of the true meaning of "high-end". We're concerned about this, as voicing wrong opinions can easily mislead other people. We think that's not cool, and wanted to share our view on the matter...

This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 07:03 78

1. chocolatebear76 (Posts: 122; Member since: 03 Mar 2011)


Are you mentioning these cause of the fact that Iphone 5 got a lesser or rather abit disppointing spec for a so called high end device?

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 07:17 47

16. dr_fajardo12 (Posts: 118; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)


i thougv the same while i was reading

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 11:53 19

115. aaronkatrini (Posts: 241; Member since: 06 Jun 2012)


Nice try RayS. , nice try.... cmmon.. at least change your name when you write these type of articles (of how apple has mid-end specs)!

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 12:55 20

133. tegradragon (Posts: 68; Member since: 23 May 2012)


I was actually wondering how much Apple paid PA for this article.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 07:25 20

23. TheLibertine (Posts: 484; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)


What is so disappointing? You have a 4 inch screen with 326 ppi, a not known but very capable multicore CPU, the by far greatest GPU on the market, LTE, 1 GB RAM, and aluminium unibody and decent battery life. (All if Apples claims are confirmed.)

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 07:26 7

25. TheLibertine (Posts: 484; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)


Almost forgot: thank you, Phonearena-sensei, for your unbiased lecture.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 07:59 12

42. fistigons (Posts: 336; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)


What the heck is wrong with you people? Phonearena writes a positive Apple article and you have iFans bashing the writer. I expected the Phandroids and Lumiacs to have a field day with this article. This is the wierdest bunch of commentors I have ever seen.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 08:27 4

55. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4857; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Dude I just want to say your avatar is EPIC. Grimlock is my favorite Transformer. I had the original Grimlock Transformer toy from the 80's. That was my favorite toy EVER.

+2,000!!!!!

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 09:32 4

83. fistigons (Posts: 336; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)


Thanks. I'm psyched that he's in the new Transformers game.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 10:24 1

96. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4857; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Me too. I want to get that game because the first one was pretty good.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 11:02 3

105. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


WHAAAAAT... hes in the new one?

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 11:42 1

114. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4857; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Hell yeah! It's going to be so awesome.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 15:28 5

150. The_Innovation (Posts: 610; Member since: 18 Jul 2012)


Lumiacs...interesting.

*learned a new term today*

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 09:35 3

85. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


I would agree with you indefinitely, the iPhone 5 does bring some nice specs to the table... Don't forget about the camera as well, that's probably wonderful. However, I don't know everything about it yet, so I can't agree with you.

Of course it has a capable CPU

Are you sure it has the same GPU in the new iPad? I never read anything about that, link please?

LTE is nice (a bit late, but whatever)

That 1 GB will allow for more updates, which is nice

I love the design, but it's a bit too tall for the screen that it has.

There is no idea on battery life. Allegedly, Apple actually decreased the battery size, gave it LTE, a processor of which architecture and clock speed is unknown (to my knowledge), if it does have the GPU of the new iPad that will certainly weigh down on battery, and it also has a bigger display.

If it has a higher clocked A-9 processor, LTE, the same GPU in the iPad, and a battery with less capacity; it certainly will not have decent battery life. However, if the CPU uses the A-15 architecture, it might be a bit better. Let's just hope...

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 11:05 1

107. TheLibertine (Posts: 484; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)


Well, all of Apples claims have yet to be proven, but if they will, all that is true.

It may not have exact the same GPU as the new iPad, but an equal performing - the A5X is double the graphics performance of the A5, and so is the A6 claimed to be.

As the battery life, we only can wait for the first reviews. On paper, the same capacicity with LTE, bigger screen and A6 seem ridiculous, but the A15 architecture and software optimisations may turn out to be the panacea.
And there is also the legendary "Apple said it, so it is true"-argument. :)

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 12:08 2

119. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


Yes, but don't forget that Apple tends to exaggerate some things... like of the "over 200 new features" of iOS 6, maybe a dozen or so are actually notable, and most coincide with one another.

That's what I was thinking, but you never know until someone actually gives a full spec rundown instead of Apple's vague mentioning of hardware.

No one is exactly sure it is an A-15 processor just yet. Even though Apple said the A6 is twice the power of the A5 in the 4S and uses a 32nm die size, that increase in power can be done in multiple ways.

The clock speed on the 4S was at 800 MHz. They could keep the same clock speed and use the A-15 architecture, that would be near 2x performance.

Or, they could just shrink the die size (which they did) to 32nm vs. the 45nm in the A5 in the 4S and increase the clock speed to about 1.2 GHz, which would has the same effect as using the A-15 architecture, but cost battery life. This is the most likely option.

As for software optimizations, as always, Apple was pretty vague on what they did. It could make a difference, it could not.

That argument is more infamous than legendary lol

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 12:26 1

121. TheLibertine (Posts: 484; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)


Nothing but our speculation. Relax and await the first reviews.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 15:33 4

152. The_Innovation (Posts: 610; Member since: 18 Jul 2012)


Most of those "new" features, aren't features. I've realized this (5 year former iPhone user). You might click on the music app and realize that the design of the buttons is different. That's not a new feature that's just a fresh look.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 15:31 3

151. The_Innovation (Posts: 610; Member since: 18 Jul 2012)


Double the graphics performance, according to "their" standards. That means if they go from a 512MB ram to a 1G ram, that's double the performance.

But they fail to mention that the industry has been running 1GB rams for a year now, and now went into 2GB rams.

You're being fooled by their terminology. Snap out of it.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 23:04

164. TheLibertine (Posts: 484; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)


Man... They said double the graphics performance, so it was a strong hint that they doubled the graphics performance, not the RAM, dont you think...? Actually, the doubled both and did never say a single thing about RAM.

By the "industry" you mean international Galaxy S3, HTC One X, Xperia Mint/S, Lumia 920...? A not yet launched phone is not the industry.

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 02:28

168. The_Innovation (Posts: 610; Member since: 18 Jul 2012)


Don't blame our so beloved carriers for supporting or not supporting certain phones. The iPhone is an international phone too, or did you forget that?

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 05:16

171. TheLibertine (Posts: 484; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)


Im European-living so i cannot respond on topics regarding US carriers.

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 13:14

179. The_Innovation (Posts: 610; Member since: 18 Jul 2012)


Well then MORE reason why you should be disappointed with your iPhone, since there are so many other better phones in Europe.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 07:27 5

28. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


they probably remembered it because of our comments. but it is actually true in PA's defense. The iPhone 5 is indeed high-end and many Android phones with high specs aren't high end at all.

Actually, I care more on if the phone is the flagship. Samsung released a lot of phones in between the S2 and the S3, but their S series and Note line remains as their high-end flagship phones - and usually it's these phones that get most attention and updates... Anyway, just saying again. :) this is why I don't care on the next phones coming out except the Nexus and Surface. The flagships are out for war already - SGS3, NL920, iP5, Nexus 7 and all.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 10:56 2

103. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)


its high end because they pricing it that way and telling you it is the most capable and powerful phone........thats why "they" (apple) lable it "high end"

when its really jus a pretty phone with basic functions nothing more........

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 12:34 1

124. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


wow pretty phone wuith basic functions... wow.. the hatred for a company blocks any use of the brain..

posted on 15 Sep 2012, 06:13 2

174. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


mate your brain must be dusty from not been used

symbian can outperform iOS in many ways and thats a 'dead OS' so your not as advanced as you think you are

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 07:56 5

41. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


Actually, what I just have read have the truest sense of what really defines a high-end phone.

It's not only about hardware. To really define a phone's category, you need to consider its price and software integration.

Put all this together, then you could now categorize a smartphone.

IMO, iPhone 5 is a high-end phone. The software integration on the hardware is on par with the flagship devices from different OEMs. Also, the price point is for a high-end device.

Iphone 5's spec is really disappointing when compared to the flagship devices of the android OS. But again, it's not all about numbers.

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 07:04 13

2. samystic (Posts: 230; Member since: 25 Mar 2012)


whoa Ray S. ... caution this is a public blog... no justifications for a over hyped device please...

but thanks a lot for allowing us to understand your perspective for 'What defines a high-end device?'... why not write something about an upcoming OS as well?

samystic

posted on 14 Sep 2012, 07:05 11

3. pokharkarsaga (Posts: 385; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


High end phone means high end performance & not high end specs.

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