Want to know why Apple is picking on Samsung in court?
The 'visual graph', from a tweet sent by All Things D's John Paczkowski, shows the reasoning behind Apple's laser like focus on Samsung. Just looking at the images would probably have you believe that Samsung was guilty of copying Apple's design. But you would need to know the whole story. The first touchscreen handset from Samsung's camp was the F700. Despite the uncanny resemblance to the Apple iPhone, the Samsung F700 featured a side-sliding QWERTY keyboard unlike Apple's handset. More importantly, the F700 was introduced just one month after the Apple iPhone. Some feel this is too close to the announcement of Apple's device for the Korean based manufacturer to have taken its cue from the iPhone.
Of course, the Samsung F700 isn't the issue of the current Apple-Samsung patent war, but we wouldn't be surprised if in Apple's mind, it is the first example of Samsung copying the look and feel of the Apple iPhone.
1. sorcio46 (Posts: 420; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
All cars have 4 wheels Apple... and all the societies aren't accusing their rivals of coping all basic elements of a car.
And BTW iPhone was heavy inspired by the LG Prada that it was presented before the Apple's presentation of the first iPhone !
5. OpTiMuS_BlAcK (Posts: 415; Member since: 04 May 2012)
I agree, it just baffles me why LG didn't proceed with suing Apple.
9. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
may have to do with their deal to supply parts for APPLE...
15. sorcio46 (Posts: 420; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
Months before the official presentation?
I don't think so
16. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Samsung has a much bigger supply deal with apple than LG does. LG just sends them the retina displays. Samsung gives them like 80% of the interior chips of the phone
102. lauremar (Posts: 181; Member since: 29 Feb 2012)
Because LG is not a greedy company like Apple is!
24. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
> iPhone was heavy inspired by the LG Prada
sorcio46, that is a REALLY, REALLY DUMB comment. It is a KNOWN fact that Apple works on both the hardware and software. Apple has been working on both the hardware and software since 1984 when it first introduced the MacIntosh. It is also a KNOWN fact that Apple was working on the iPhone due to information on iTunes.
Gizmodo.com disclosed on on 9/27/2006 that it had found references to an iPhone in iTunes 7.0.1 and thet 9/27/2006 date PRECEDES the release of the LG Prada. Source:http://gizmodo.com/203780/itun
Next is the issue of mobile OS. It is also a known fact that LG cannot write software as well as Apple. To say Apple copied the Prada, it must also mean Apple copied the OS and that is completely bull-manure!!
BTW, to show a picture of keypads versus a bona fide full blown mobile OS is really DUMB.
Most android users, who claim they are knowlegeable about technology, will concede the point that Apple CANNOT copy LG because a mobile device needs a mobile OS. Apple invented a lot of that technology and have received patents for it, thus reaffirming it could not have copied because the technology did not exists.
29. sorcio46 (Posts: 420; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
Ahahah let me laugh more....
From LG Prada to the notification bar, Apple copies it's the truth,
Face it fanboy ! Rotten Apple has strike again !
And give the dumb to someone else
32. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
sorcio46, you are entitled to your opinions, however, OPINIONS are not FACTS.
What I do is fact-check. The Apple iPhone predates the LG Prada (Steve Jobs' biography gives more concrete evidence). Gizmodo's article is an independent source that refutes the Prada assertion.
I fact-check and I am sorry you want to continue to live in your fantasy world.
34. sorcio46 (Posts: 420; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
Hum let me think, you are using Steve Jobs's biography as evidence Ahahahaha
Another ifanboy that really needs his iBrain to be upgrated.
You really live in a fantasy world where Apple invents :D
79. willard12 (Posts: 1163; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
Hey Mr. Fact Checker, the LG Prada won the iF Design Award in September 2006. The submission for that award is when the Prada was first unveiled. It was announced on December 12, 2006. Apple having an "idea" about an iPhone has nothing to do with its design.
111. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
1. Gizmodo's article was 9/2006
2. LG never created an OS like Apple.
3. LG's prada did not come with Gorilla Glass
4. LG's prada did not support multi-touch like pinch to zoom, double tap, swipe, etc.
and the list goes on, and on, and on.
Nice try, though.
105. SonyFTW2020 (Posts: 308; Member since: 03 May 2012)
I can agree with you if in steve jobs biography there are specific blue prints to the making of the iphone and those blueprints were made and thought of well before the Lg prada was invented...Other than that i cant say much.
"To say Apple copied the Prada, it must also mean Apple copied the OS and that is completely bull-manure!!"
Is it something mind blowing to know that you CAN indeed make a phone with the exact same "exterior" look as another but have a different operating system beneath?? wow dude apple could have copied the Lg prada inch by inch and still kept the Iphone operating system...that is nothing hard to grasp there.
112. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
" wow dude apple could have copied the Lg prada inch by inch and still kept the Iphone operating system"
Spoken by someone who never designed an mobile OS that sold in the millions.
Apple has been integrating hardware and software since 1984 since that was Steve Jobs' mission. To take the argument Apple copied prada's shell while ignoring the software is bull-manure when it comes to Apple products.
Apple uses "concurrent development" and this is why you don't get it.
106. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)
did you come over Steve Jobs' biography?
45. Whateverman (Posts: 3236; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Ardent, you just hit a perfect 10 on the fanboy scale. Your logic here seems to suggest that since Apple has been a hardware and software company since 1984, that it's impossible for them to be inspired by any other outside influences. That makes no sense at all.
Steve Jobs even admitts he stole ideas, so it's not much of a stretch to believe that the original design of the iPhone wasn't what he imagined, he saw the LG Prada, he redesign the iPhone using design cues from the Prada either intentionally or unintentionally.
113. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Whateverman, your comment falls into the dumb category.
Apple uses "concurrent development" -- it is a stretch since Gizmodo's article that predates the Prada.
122. Whateverman (Posts: 3236; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Was that the best you could do? "Dumb category"? Anyway... The idea and development and design of a phone are very different things. Just because they had the idea to make a phone doesn't mean they had the design. And what does their method of "concurrent development" have to do with anything? Designs are often changed during the developmental stages, so developing multiple devices at once has nothing to do with design, but nice try. The Prada image was out there before the iPhone, that's a fact. Which means there is the possibility that Apple stole their design.
41. dickwyn (Posts: 602; Member since: 07 May 2012)
how would they get inspiration from the prada ? they were both announced on January 2007
42. sorcio46 (Posts: 420; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
The LG Prada was known before the presentation
44. Crossblade (Posts: 194; Member since: 21 Apr 2005)
not officially though. and not long before it.
80. willard12 (Posts: 1163; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
The LG Prada won the iF Design award in September 2006.
107. Crossblade (Posts: 194; Member since: 21 Apr 2005)
You are wrong. It LEAKED in 2006. It was OFFICIALLY announced in January 2007, a few days AFTER the iPhone. Google it, and you will find the facts.
51. Whateverman (Posts: 3236; Member since: 17 May 2009)
The LG Prada was introduce to the media in Jan 07', but there were known images of it in Dec 06'. Which as crossblade points out isn't very long, but surely is enough time for a tech giant like Apple to create a working prototype. Especially since almost everything is done in-house.
97. downphoenix (Posts: 2733; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
I dunno, that's a bit of a stretch to get a working and smooth prototype with all the in-house apps they showed. I have no doubt they may have had a little influence from the Prada, but to completely base their phone off it? They didnt have enough time to do this, short of Apple having infiltrated LG in the very, very early stages of the development of that phone.
114. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
And the Gizmodo article was 9/2006, thus taking the sail of Android's argument that iPhone copied the Prada.
Gizmodo is an independent source and has no axe to grind.
58. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4641; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
I am not even going to touch this. At this point this is all trivial. How can Apple prove this, how can Apple say they lost market share.? I am telling you, this kinda stuff only happens in............. The Twilight Zone! lol
This is how comical its gotten now.
95. aikonix (Posts: 59; Member since: 08 Apr 2012)
phone arena picked the windows mobile devices as the "before"... that didnt include TOUCHWIZ, which included touchwiz was the Samsung Finesse as an example which has the same user interface we relatively experience today, just with icons instead of words...
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108. Crossblade (Posts: 194; Member since: 21 Apr 2005)
this is a 2009 phonehttp://www.phonearena.com/phon
109. joaolx (Posts: 364; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
The Prada in my opinion is nothing like the iPhone. Nothing.
2. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
or just because it is the most successful competitor yet. the Galaxy S gave the option to consumers that the iPhone is not the only high end option.
3. ekia007 (Posts: 61; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
There is a lack in innvoation on apple products. We have been seeing the same design for 2 years.
13. sniper1087 (Posts: 451; Member since: 31 Dec 2011)
same phone desing you mean the UI has been the same since 5 years they need a complete overhaul.
26. JessJess (unregistered)
Why? Does the current UI design fail to do the job? On the contary it's well recognised, simple to use and is fit for the exact purposes it was designed.
40. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
Apple may do an excellent job of retaining their existing user base by leaving the OS the way it is.
In order for them to GROW they need to change things.
If the new iPhone had a 4"+ screen, LTE, and was not just a row of icons I would very much consider it...
47. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Growing their user base is the real challenge for Apple. To maintain their recent growth rates requires non-trivial sales to new customers. Sammy presents a viable alternative to what Apple is offering. If LG were posting the sales numbers that Sammy is putting up, they probably would be in court as well.
Apple is offering what is in many respects, a dated product (especially compared to JB). Litigation is Apple's attempt to slow the market erosion in the absence of innovation.
62. ekia007 (Posts: 61; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
Phone deisgn between iPhone 4 and iPhon4s are the same. UI does not appeal to me.
73. JessJess (unregistered)
Of course it was. Like the 3G to 3GS. S models are always minor adjustments. It makes sense considering most contracts lock you in for 2 years.
84. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
Oh, so Apple is just looking out for you guys by not changing the design. How nice!!
Gotta love that Apple logic!
88. Sniggly (Posts: 7281; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Apart from the glass (which was a stupid, stupid move) the giant antenna (which caused issues they never fixed) and having a worthwhile antenna, what was majorly different about the iPhone 4?
Every iteration of major Android handset lines, on the other hand, have had major enough physical changes that they're easily distinguishable from their predecessors. Also, Android has continued to morph software wise, and while it retains the elements which make it easily recognizable, is very different now from what it was.
Apple's UI works (although I find the light blue/gray to be hideous and boring in their lists and menus, and the lack of options to be annoying) but Apple hasn't come out with anything boat rocking since the original iPhone.
101. JessJess (unregistered)
Um why was the glass a "stupid stupid" move exactly? Its probably one of the more durable phones out there (check some drop tests?)....
104. mrbtree (Posts: 59; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
it was a stupid move, my friend had an ipod touch 4th gen (same screen as an iphone 4/4s) and dropped it and the front was all shattered, but if i were to drop my lg optimus black or a samsung galaxy s2, the video proves the difference between glass on the iphone and gorilla glass for android devices and this is with gorilla glass 1, not the new and improved gorilla glass 2.
103. E.N. (Posts: 2562; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
I honestly feel like some of you Android people really shouldn't be combining (especially the Samsung users). Many people/reviewers across the Internet called the SGIII's design as ugly and uninspiring. And despite the advances in the polycarbonate material, it still has the plasticy feel.
I was really discontent with Apple's decision to keep the design the same, but some of you should not be complaining about design.
115. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
> Apart from the glass (which was a stupid, stupid move)
Snig, Apple introduced Gorilla Glass to the world and now Gorilla Glass has become the standard for expensive smartphone.
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66. structureman116 (Posts: 137; Member since: 14 Sep 2010)
I wish I could thumbs up this 2.5 billion times...just for Apple!
82. bucky (Posts: 1986; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
It's easy to see who copied who by looking at the picture at the end of this article. It's hard to defend Samsung on this but I, like many other consumers appreciate the competition.
89. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
wow, the entire world should see this on a world broadcast to call out the frauds called APPLE. The ipad totally copies in design....
116. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
SleepingOz, the flaw in your argument is that the iPad patent filing was 3/17/2004 -- iPad was publicly released at a later time. In fact, if you look at the drawings (Figure 9), it's clear Apple's iPad design predates Samsung's products.
6. script_writer (banned) (Posts: 56; Member since: 27 Jun 2012)
yeah ok, i'll agree that the samsung Galaxy range LOOKS rather like the iphone range but as sorcio46 says, you dont see car manufactures sue their rivals because one car looks like the next. i hope samsung sues apple when the iphone5 comes out for it looking much like the 4inch phones that samsung do.
69. bigdawg23 (Posts: 414; Member since: 25 May 2011)
In 2003 Jeep sued GM over the seven slot grill. Yes car lawsuits are fewer and far between but they do happen.
Now as for the Apple/Samsung battle, its getting out of hand. Apple can say what they want but in the end they are realizing their growth will slow because of devices like GNexus, GS3, and GNote.
I have owned both iPhones, SGS2 and now Note. Things that pushed me back to GNote is the OS limitations with Apple. The inability to download from the web and have call block apps is a big limitations.
7. ajac09 (Posts: 1430; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
all produced before the iphone so did apple take designs like this and refine them? Sorry apple but touch screen smart phones as they are now are a natural evoltion of cell phones get over it your not god your a bunch of whiney little bitches. You cant compete so you sue.
31. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
You also make so really dumb comments. You forget that the rest of us have brains and have access to the internet so we can fact-check.
1) TFT resistive touchscreen, 65K colors
2) Too many buttons
3) Uses pen input technology
4) No multi-touch technology
5) Ugly as Sin
1) TFT resistive touchscreen, 256K colors
2) QWERTY Keyboard
3) No multi-touch technology
1) TFT resistive touchscreen, 256K colors
2) No multi-touch technology
3) Too many buttons
4) Ugly as hell
1) TFT resistive touchscreen, 65K colors
2) Too many buttons
3) No multi-touch technology
4) Small screen at 2.8"
All these examples use resistive touchscreens without the ability for multitouch.
ajac09, you aren't fooling anyone but yourself and your friends. You really need to do a better job if you want to come across as someone who is credible.
36. sorcio46 (Posts: 420; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
Quote: "4) Ugly as hell"
Multitouch and capacitive features were not invented by Apple, face the truth !
117. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
> Multitouch and capacitive features were not invented by Apple
The Apple iPhone had multitouch that allowed for (a) double tab, (b) pinch to zoom, (c) swipes, etc on a large screen (3.5") for that time period all on the brand new Gorilla Glass.
I can list more, but you get the picture -- no stylus and no qwerty keyboards.
37. hung2900 (Posts: 881; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)
The major problem of Apple fanboy: do not know how to read.
Do you know what does "design" mean?
Edited: Another problem. In their mindset, everything on iPhone and Ipad is invented by Apple.
118. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
I am not an Apple fanboy, I am a fact-checker and I hate how the Android camp makes up stuff in their witchhunt of Apple.
I own an android (the Moto Triumph) and I do not nor have ever owned an iPhone.
> everything on iPhone and Ipad is invented by Apple.
Apple introduced the modern smartphone and revolutionized the modern tablet. Are you happy now.
38. Aeires (unregistered)
I hope you're not saying Apple invented capacitive touch screens? Capacitive touch screens were just starting to be released, so it's no wonder phones around that time period weren't using them yet, too new of technology. Lucky for Apple, they did use them, but if the iPhone had been a year earlier, it too wouldn't have had them.
119. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
It's not just capactive touch screens -- it's the ability to use multi-touch such as, but not limited to: (a) double tap, (b) pinch to zoom, (c) slide to unlock, (d) swipes, all on a large 3.5" screen (for that time period) on Gorilla Glass without the need for a stylus or physical qwerty keyboard.
It's the total package.
68. structureman116 (Posts: 137; Member since: 14 Sep 2010)
@ardent1...The "design" of the phones is Apples main argument, not the technology. They want $24 for each Samsung unit that copied Apple's "design", which they obviously and blatantly copied from other manufacturers, including Samsung. Apple's hypocritical attitude and sue happy practices over things that they blatantly copied from someone else are the dominant reason why I will never own an apple product.