Wait, so Windows 8 is not outpacing Windows 7 adoption rate?
0. phoneArena 01 Dec 2012, 22:16 posted on
While Microsoft has hailed sales of more than 40 million licenses in just a month, the internet traffic is not seeing it yet...
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1. Pings (Posts: 301; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
What a shock! Oh wait never mind Windows 8 sucks...
11. Nadr1212 (Posts: 741; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)
GO TO HECK, PINGSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12. JulianGT (Posts: 86; Member since: 15 Oct 2012)
Of course!!! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
13. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Don't forget hurricane Sandy's impact.... Puhleeeease. It didn't work for Mittens to blame his loss on Sandy; it won't work to blame the slow adoption rate for Win 8 on Sandy either.
42. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
showing obama to be a huge hypocrite and the worst person for our economy didnt work either...
what made you think america would begin to listen to a successful man about a hurricane...
59. parkwaydr (Posts: 572; Member since: 07 Sep 2011)
If by successful you mean shipping our jobs to china then you're right. Face it, Romney would have been a horrible president.
68. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
better than the man who claimed to slice our deficit in half, yet increased it by 6 trillion-- the biggest by far burden on our country
14. wendygarett (unregistered)
how can you say it sucks when you are not even install and experience it :(
25. kartik4u98 (Posts: 511; Member since: 19 May 2012)
I have it on my father's notebook...
It isn't intuitive and is very hard to use on mouse-keyboard devices..
Multitasking is not at all easy like it was on windows 7(or more previous versions)..
26. -box- (Posts: 3973; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
It's not hard, it's just not as easy without the touchscreen. I have it on 2 of my computers (both non-touchscreen) and still have 7 Ultimate 64-bit for my main desktop (because my work and other programs are too reliant on old software and I try to avoid any sweeping changes until I'm as close to 100% confident they'll work with the new system with no negative impacts)
29. wendygarett (unregistered)
I've go to the Sony center and taste the Window 8 and tell you the truth... I'm the only guests there who know how to operate it wisely, and the rest just watching what I performed... Looks like win8 is too new to the average users :(
33. Raymond_htc (Posts: 430; Member since: 06 Apr 2012)
You don't need to try it out to know.. Just LOOK AT IT! It's designed for tablets.. and we are using mouses in computer. And there is a scroll bar at the bottom and we have to scroll left n right to access ''apps''.
I tried it and compared to Windows 7.. and i would still think Windows 8 is worse than Windows 7.
50. freebee269 (Posts: 531; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)
or you can hit your windows key on your keyboard and that pops up the apps.
53. SonyXperiaNexus (Posts: 374; Member since: 01 Oct 2012)
You need to get a hands-on review before you start talking b.s. its just like windows 7 without a start menu. there are no problems navigating or multitasking. all this negativity around windows 8 makes me sick
73. Dastrix (unregistered)
... your mom. Cool story bro!
2. OHaZZaR (Posts: 131; Member since: 19 Aug 2011)
In all honesty, Microsoft made a poor move in keeping traditional desktop users out in the cold. To close an application, you have to drag the top of the application all the way to the bottom, which makes sense on a touch screen but not with a mouse. Also, when having 2 apps on the same screen, they either take 20% or 80% of the screen which is most unreasonable, the GALAXY Note series handles multi-tasking better for god's sake. Is it better than having it 50-50, why does each app need to occupy either a ridiculously large amount of the monitor or a minuscule amount. I hate this OS, so much that I left windows for mac. I would've liked windows 8 if it were optimised for traditional users and the full screen app problem. Plus the gestures are pretty unintuitive and almost never work on windows 7 laptops updated to windows 8, unless they were released this year. I still have windows 7 for my gaming purposes but I use my mac for just about everything else. Windows 7 is a perfect OS, it just got boring to me, and I use the mac because all my basic needs are met more easily, albeit with a lot of mac-centric frustrations.
44. ImQ009 (Posts: 37; Member since: 02 Dec 2012)
Just shows how much you know. And you don't know anything :P You basically described the Modern UI which is PART of the OS. Maybe you should try it out BEFORE saying it's unoptimized. The point is, the new UI is basically a new start menu. The desktop, windows and all the stuff is STILL there and it works exactly the same as in Windows 7.
45. OHaZZaR (Posts: 131; Member since: 19 Aug 2011)
I've had it on my old laptop since beta, and it mostly is the same except most apps don't run on the traditional desktop. The start button isn't there, everything is just a lot more "schizophrenic" in the sense that some apps work on the desktop and others work in metro. I do commend microsoft for taking the steps into making it boot as fast as mac OSX and to finally have a not-so-laughable experience on internet explorer, but taking 2 steps forward and 4 steps back is not a good sign. I don't get how people say that every creative person uses a mac since I do pretty much all the same video editing, word processing, image editing and all that on windows, and some are even better on windows. Mac definitely is easier to navigate than both OSes though, it boots faster than windows 7 and gets things done faster than windows in my experience. Windows 7 was better than mac OSX 10.6, but mac evolved, and windows revolutionised, but not in a good way. So yes mister, I do know what I am talking about. If you bring linux into this, then I'd be a fool to say anything at all, but I have used every windows iteration since 2000 and I am still 1 month into using my first mac. I've had windows 8 since beta, gave it a chance when it was released and ultimately wasn't just unimpressed, I was appalled. I have a touchpad, so I can only imagine the frustration of using a mouse which is even worse. Why be forced to use metro when the mouse clearly isn't optimised, I still hold on to that. Microsoft is forcing users to get a touchscreen and that is why it's adoption should not be as high as windows 7. I do believe windows will eventually sell but I'll wait for windows blue to install on my desktop.
46. ImQ009 (Posts: 37; Member since: 02 Dec 2012)
Most apps? You mean that little ammount of apps found in the Windows Marketplace? Seems legit hehe
49. OHaZZaR (Posts: 131; Member since: 19 Aug 2011)
Microsoft claims 100,000 apps by the end of the year (correct me if I'm wrong) which is still probably not nearly as many apps as regular desktop apps. In the end it doesn't know where it belongs to, tablet apps that work great on tablets but horribly on desktops, and vice versa. An incomplete experience on both. Don't get me wrong, I'm very confident that windows will eventually work in a beautiful harmony, both touch-screen and otherwise. Thinking that it achieved what windows 7 did in it's time, which is a perfect OS for the vast majority of consumers (tablet pcs weren't really popular in 2009) is pure hogwash.
74. davkaramagi (Posts: 4; Member since: 21 Sep 2011)
Hover your mouse cursor around the bottom left part of screen & you get the equivalent of start button - icon like form of Mordern UI....thus start button is there only looks different & is accessed differently!! Let's not misguide others...
79. OHaZZaR (Posts: 131; Member since: 19 Aug 2011)
There is still no start button, and the functionality of the new start screen is poor beyond belief, where everything the start menu occupied would be a mere 10% of the screen, this one occupies the entire screen, which does not enhance productivity at all, which was what windows was well known for. It's sacrificing functionality for aesthetics, not even Apple does that. Heck isn't it a little odd that windows has garnered a ton of criticism from this release of windows and not windows 7. OSX doesn't get this type of criticism, just the pricing of the products. I'm not misguiding anyone. The start button isn't there anymore, it's gone. What came instead is a square that appears when you hover the cursor, the function of which is to display a bunch of applications and use up your entire screen, forget watching a movie while pressing the start button. I can't imagine schools, businesses or institutions using windows 8 until touchscreen desktops are cheaper and popularised. Windows 8 is a personal OS, much like mac OSX.
51. freebee269 (Posts: 531; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)
what windows 8 are you using? on my desktop when i want to close an application i just click the x in the upper right corner. same as on windows 7. there are always going to be people that dont like something about something new. it's just too bad that those people are more readily to voice their opinion about it than the people that do like it.
76. OHaZZaR (Posts: 131; Member since: 19 Aug 2011)
Windows 8 pro, and if you use apps from metro, or the windows 8 app store, then you have to perform this lengthy manoeuvre.
78. downphoenix (Posts: 2768; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
1) For closing an application, if its on Desktop, it works the same as in 7. If its Modern UI, you can close with alt-f4 keyboard shortcut, you can hover on top left then slide down a bit to close any apps that aren't the currently active one by right clicking on it, and you can also ctrl-alt-del to force apps to close in the task manager. You dont have to do the drag thing.
2)As far as the app split thing, you can adjust the screen size it will take, but the 80-20% is the default for it. Its meant to be for the important app to take the big portion (ie web browser, offe program, game, etc.) while the other one will be something minor (ie weather, news, etc.)
3) Hating 8 so much that you go to mac doesnt really compute, since you have to learn a new UI anyway, plus paid more for the computer, and have a more restricted os. Why not just go back to 7, or go to Ubuntu, if you hated it that much?
80. OHaZZaR (Posts: 131; Member since: 19 Aug 2011)
1) I'm completely aware of that, all of it. I think I failed to point out the fact that I don't understand why they didn't go all the way and innovate for mouse users. I'd hate to see the future of computing be without a mouse and keyboard and since Microsoft is by far the market leader in that, things aren't looking good. So yeah, I'd just wish they'd go the extra mile.
2) There'll always still be an app using 80% of the screen, and depending on the screen's aspect ratio, 90%. Is it unreasonable to at least have 50% of the screen for each app, or at least let you split it at any ratio? this I'm particularly baffled by. Especially when my OG Samsung GALAXY Note running jelly bean can do exactly that.
3) I didn't just go with mac because of my hatred of windows 8. I specifically went to a Macbook air because it is light, portable and has the power of a regular computer and not a tablet, meaning I could still use a word processor, do some video or photo editing (which I do), and has a charge for more than 5 hours, which while not exactly tablet-worthy, it is spectacular for laptops (mine on average holds 7 hours and 30 minutes). I've done a lot of research and I liked it. There are very few windows laptops that are exactly like that but run windows instead, and I switched for the same reason I switched from an iPhone to my Samsung GALAXY Note, the OS got stale. I tried OSX in stores and was amazed by it. I bought it and had some regret for a few reasons. My 1TB hard drive was incompatible, I had to format 500GB of the photos, videos, movies and tv series I had in there, or I could buy a $20 app on my mac which fixes it, I went with the latter. I'm a dedicated gamer and while my mac doesn't have the power play the latest games, it's still a very small collection nonetheless, and I don't wanna install windows on it anyway (not because I dislike it, I only have a 128GB SSD and don't want to sacrifice the space). Everything else was an awesome experience, it does everything I want my computer to, and that is the exact feeling I got when I had windows 7 the first time. I would've gone ubuntu but I wasn't exactly sure about it and I was going to change my laptop anyway. It felt a little like a gamble.
In conclusion, I probably hate windows 8 more than I should because I expected so much more. I really did give it a chance and I personally did not like it. Everyone's entitled to his opinion and it seems as though I'm the minority, and that's okay. I've had a horrible experience in beta where a week after installing windows 8 my computer would boot into a blue screen, and forgave them because it's just a beta. Now windows 8 is out and the bugs are ironed out, boot-up time's awesome (my MacBook boots up in 7 seconds, but that's thanks to both the SSD AND the OS) but in the end, I did not get the same feeling I had when I first tried Windows 7 or OSX.
3. pokharkarsaga (Posts: 366; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)
Windows 8 is more like a tablet os(touchscreen device os) than the traditional desktop os.
Win 7=Win XP
Win Vista=Win 8
4. noim1 (Posts: 297; Member since: 15 May 2012)
Win8 did meet my expectations...plus it is kind of a pain to use without a touch screen...so I am sticking with win7..... Its going to take some time before ppl start accepting the new interface...plus I don't want to raise my hand every time I want to make a touch for a click.. It's tiring... The usage with mouse is much easier and lazy like...
8. MeoCao (unregistered)
It's dumbest thing I've ever seen. Touch screen is good only when you don't have physical KB or mouse for the sake of portability.
I always keep PC screen out of the reach of my hand and that's the distance I'm comfortable with, so for me touchscreen in a desktop is cumbersome and not necessary.
18. rav405 (unregistered)
I infact have found win8 really good.....People having a problem with navigating in win8, i would advise them to buy a touch mouse coz it really works really well...and i have installed it on the pcand also use a touch mose and i find really fluid and fast i have....Ill really enjoy using win8 on my pc.....
43. serious9010 (Posts: 254; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)
thats right, thumb him down! who does he think he is having a different opinion than you guys! /s
52. freebee269 (Posts: 531; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)
i find it easy to use with my physical mouse. in fact it's not much different to me than windows 7. everything i do is done from the desktop (like windows 7). only time i go into metro is to open an app. and i just hit the windows key on my keyboard for that. thats actually faster than clicking the start button.
5. yowanvista (Posts: 340; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)
A Desktop and a Tablet have DIFFERENT UI needs, there was really no need to alienate the desktop, turning it into an App pinned in the Start Screen. Running two different paradigms in the
same system makes it seem bi-polar and cumbersome. The Metro nonsense is like a tablet system running on-top of regular PC system and this makes me no sense. Why would I need fullscreen touch Apps on my PC?
27. -box- (Posts: 3973; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
I would disagree, especially with the increasing year-on-year sale of touchscreen All-in-ones (aka AIOs). It is very likely my next computer purchase (that is, new system, versus something I build myself) will be a touchscreen AIO for my kitchen area, so it can be folded down from under a cabinet (keeping the counter empty) to use for recipes or entertainment, with a separate compartment for the wireless keyboard and mouse (which will probably never be used, but can be useful if doing something across the room or something if too far away from the microphone for voice commands)
61. yowanvista (Posts: 340; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)
AIOs are underpowered compared to traditional PCs, there crappy integrated graphics or their Nvidia 6xxM GPUs are substandard. Utterly useless for gaming, who would even want to touch their monitors? Kinda stupid.
6. Aeires (unregistered)
I work in an IT department on the telecom side and just yesterday I was talking about W8 with a computer tech. He said flat out he doesn't see our corporation adapting W8 until major changes are made to it, namely the UI. Live tiles aren't cut out for some applications like we use. I've said from the first time I saw Metro, it's too different of a change from W7 to W8 and it will isolate a huge user base. Regardless of how many techies here love it, the average user is going to have problems.
7. Hemlocke (unregistered)
Same whre I work, but our companies have probably been counted in this number of upgrades if they have enterprise licenses. That is why web traffic doesn't match the number of upgrades.
23. Aeires (unregistered)
Whoa, we have a boat load of licenses that got counted then.
9. wendygarett (unregistered)
As to whether or not Windows 8 is outpacing Windows 7 or not, it depends on where you look, how you look, who you ask and when you ask.
Nice sentence to describe :)
10. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
I am happy with Windows 7 for my home PC - I may get a windows 8 phone next year when it is time to upgrade - not sure yet - I have no problem with the UI on windows 7 PC - windows 8 may be more appealing for an all-in-one touch screen PC, though.
15. ChafedBanana (Posts: 365; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)
I just bought a Windows 8 laptop from Asus. It's been a few years since my PC broke. This one was a display model for $449 marked down to $391. I5 processor and very decent specs for the money. The jury's still out on W8. I have 30 days to return it. I will never spend $1200 on a confuser from Apple. Screw that. I'm starting to feel unsure if I should even have a computer at all when my phone does almost everything I really need to do.
28. -box- (Posts: 3973; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
You got a thumbs-up just for "confuser". So accurate!
65. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
I second your last sentence.
I actually don't think I'll ever buy a PC again..
I just wish vendors come to their senses and start making padfone-like tablet accessories.
Just give me a quality full hd 10 inch touchscreen(it could be done for 200$ ) in which I can place the phone and connect the peripherals .. and I'm set for life.
16. twens (Posts: 849; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)
Like serioulsy,are people that dump or naive? What is has drastically changed from windows 7? Is your want your windows 7 style desktop just go to the desktop.for Christ seek W8 is not that different from W7 you guys should stop whinning.
17. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)
Windows 8 Desktop is a disaster, I've used I know. There're so many extra annoying steps that are optimized for Tablets Touchscreen but a pain for us Desktop users. The removal of Start Menu is a huge blow for Windows fan. This can be fixed via custom Start Menu like Classic Shell and Stardock Start8. Navigating through the Metro UI with a mouse feels like a pain and unnecessary steps but you are forced to do. Moreover most apps go fullscreen I wonder how productivity users will managed. Windows 8 is like Windows without Windows, Microsoft is taking its OS design seriously but this time they went the wrong way. Whenever i used Windows 8 i feel sick, uncomfortable and feel like using something stranger to my machine.
Windows Phone 8 is great because it works well on smartphone, however it is not the case for Windows 8. These disappointing changes are pushing me more and more towards Linux.
I hope Microsoft is going to fix Windows 8 with Windows Blue upgrade or Service Pack.
54. freebee269 (Posts: 531; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)
when i use the desktop in win8 it does not feel any different than the desktop i used in win7. i go for hours not even seeing the metro ui. when i am in metro (only to open an app) i use the scroll button on my mouse to go left and right in the metro. how is that a pain? did it pain your finger to move the scroll wheel? speaking of the start button in win7, how is moving your mouse to the bottom left corner of your screen for the start button faster than just hitting the windows key on your keyboard for the metro ui where your apps are? it's not. if using windows 8 makes you feel sick, you got more of a problem than just using windows 8.
19. breathlesstao (Posts: 78; Member since: 16 Apr 2010)
Hurricane Sandy? So all this rambling is US-only again? I love how the rest of the world never seems to exist... I mean, not to devalue the destruction and all, but on a global level, I'm not sure it's all that significant as to bear blame for something like this.
21. Maxwell.R (Posts: 202; Member since: 20 Sep 2012)
When major weather events or acts of nature affect major markets like New York City, the largest market in the free world behind Tokyo, it creates a significant economic ripple. The population of the northeastern seaboard of the United States accounts for about 25% of the US GDP, $4 trillion+ -or- still more economic output than any other nation in the western world. Hurricane Sandy was a major storm that closed commerce for significant periods of time with many areas still recovering.
The same thing happened with batteries, auto parts and other supplies when the earthquake and subsequent tsunami hit Japan. The wake of that event was felt for months. Hurricane Sandy will not be as long lasting.
As for the market share figures cited in the article, those were quoted from the global market, not the US-only market.
32. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Uh Maxwell, the only state that got 'shut down' by Sandy was New Jersey. Further, the entire state was not shut down. Friends who live on Manhattan never lost electricity, much less access to the Internets. Yes, people on the New Jersey coast as well as parts of the New York coast were (some still are) shut down. But 25% of U.S. GDP being affected is hyperbole. There is significant property loss due to Sandy, but don't confuse beach front property value with economic output.
34. Maxwell.R (Posts: 202; Member since: 20 Sep 2012)
There were power outages as far north as New Hampshire, flooding throughout Manhattan, trading was suspended, and the utility work being done on New Jersey, NYC, and Long Island is still being undertaken - that affected actual internet traffic - a region of at least 30 million people. The "effect" was a slowdown that touched every state in the region. NYC and the surrounding metro/Tri-State area has a gross metro product of about $1.3Tr. Yes, Sandy affected the economy - property restoration, repairs, replacements are exactly that. They are not expanding economic indicators.
38. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Maxwell, notwithstanding the trauma experienced by Sandy's victims, life is moving on. Trading on the exchanges resumed after what, a 2 day halt? Power is out for how many at the present time? How many factories standing idle presently in the storm zone?
The point that I am making is that Sandy can't be blamed for a fall-off in W8 activity. If Sandy was responsible, wouldn't there be a drop in all W# activity? Any fall-off in W8 activity is probably due to slow rates of conversion. Dogs don't like dog food that doesn't taste great. With Windows, there is the W7 alternative.
20. pongkie (Posts: 513; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)
lol am I the only one here who upgraded an old laptop to windows 8 and ended up liking it? at least it ran better than windows 7 and I like the new start screen. I don't know bout you guys but I find working with it easier.
37. rav405 (unregistered)
I also upgraded from win 7 to win8 and i too liked it....I bought a Microsoft touch mouse especiaaly for win8 and win8 works like breeze with the touch mouse.....
55. freebee269 (Posts: 531; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)
i upgraded from win7 to win8 also and i like it too. and i use a physical mouse and i dont have any issues with the OS or the UI.
22. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)
Why is it that you are comparing a msoft pc os with another msoft pc os, if you can compare wp7-8 with ios and android why not wompare w 8 with apple whatever lion and chrome os from google. Than you would see whos the big daddy of the computer industry. I mean have 40 mil macs been sold like, ever??
And yes i got w8 and would never go back...
36. SonyXperiaNexus (Posts: 374; Member since: 01 Oct 2012)
I use windows 8 withou a touchscreen and i dont have any inconveniences with it. its just like windows 7 in desktop mode all thats different is the start menu where you now get a live tile view. i dont have any navigating problems with it and its a lot faster than windows seven.
39. gazmatic (Posts: 632; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)
If my grandmother can use windows 8 then so can you. Those who say that it is dumb to have touch screen on desktop seem to not know that windows 7 was also built with touch in mind. Also if my 13 year old sister can master windows 8 then do not call yourself tech savvy. Plus if you still use xp then your point is irrelevent.