Vizio unveils 10-inch featherweight Tegra 4 tablet running stock Android
0. phoneArena 07 Jan 2013, 06:27 posted on
Vizio might be best known for its TV sets, but it has recently pushed the boundaries of its portfolio much wider and now at CES it brings its new 10-inch Vizio tablet…
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1. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4526; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Wow a Tegra 4 with STOCK Android 4.2 & the sick resolution of 2560 x 1600 makes this a VERY compelling tablet.
This TOTALLY came from left field. Vizio can make themselves a house name in the tablet world with this device.
2. MeoCao (unregistered)
And the key now is the price, I don't expect it as cheap as N10 but $600 for this tablet sounds like a fair price.
6. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1115; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
this tablet is really good and its nice to see something like this coming out of the manufacturer's camp...I would say $450 would really help the sales of this tablet as Vizio does not enjoy a big market share in tablets but then again its about time the other compaies stepped up and started offering consumers superior stuff like this one as 2012 was a very crappy year for tablets with something or the other missing from every flagship tablet!
10. MeoCao (unregistered)
Nexus 10 (32GB) sells for $500 and that price is subsidized by Google (or at least no profit).
Vizio tablet has much better specs and they will need to provide customer support (unlike N10) and some profit too.
11. remixfa (Posts: 14251; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
it is neither. Tablets cost around $200-250 to make. There is plenty of profit in that tablet. Just because they dont go for iPad massive margins, does not mean there is not profit.
15. MeoCao (unregistered)
That's only material and production cost. And this one has expensive screen, top notch CPU so I think the cost must be at least $300.
Then you must add design and research, distribution, overhead, customer support including warranty, taxes...
Look at N10, SS and Google point to each other when a customer returns with a faulty N10. There's no money left for that.
19. remixfa (Posts: 14251; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the new iPad with its HD screen and high end chips didnt even cost 250 at launch to make. The samsung and asus tablets were around the same. Products get cheaper over time to produce. If any tablet breaks the $300 barrier to manufacturer I havent heard of it.
30. Dr.Phil (Posts: 958; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
The iPad 3 did cost $316 to build according to:
So, it is possible that the iPad 4 may have cost around the same or maybe a little less.
EDIT: I mean it is possible for it to be a pretty good amount less than that given the fact that the costs associated with the screen went down from the iPad 3 to the iPad 4 (due to increase in production) and that was a major factor associated with the costs.
32. remixfa (Posts: 14251; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
correct. the screen bump was the biggest factor in price due to supply constraints and it was by far the most expensive iPad built at its time. The costs go down pretty substantially over time.
16. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
you just don't price a tablet with the materials used. There are things needed to be considered such as labor, logistics and tax.
I say it would sell around 500 to 650 USD also, this blows Nexus 10 out of the water.
18. remixfa (Posts: 14251; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the price given includes labor and material. ALL costs to make the device and get it to the store. Paying an i-Slaave $1.50 an hour does not raise costs much. That does not include things like advertising which are separate.
Yea, dont get your hopes up. Until there is a retail side by side comparison, they are equal at best, with the edge to the N10. The N10 will have garunteed update support for the foreseeable long term future. That is not something the Vizio or any other device will be able to promise.. especially not if Nvidia is still pulling their tricks on demanding money for updates from the manufacturer.
23. MeoCao (unregistered)
We don't have numbers so we must look at N10, the closest thing we can get.
N10 sells for $500 ONLINE (no distribution cost) and still there's no money left for customer support.
We should remember this tablet has much, much better CPU than N10.
25. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
WHUT?! so you're saying that n10 has edge compared to this one? Better processor than n10 and better GPU than n10, yet n10 has the edge? Wait, where did you even came to conclude that. Also, this device comes with an stock android. Given that fact, it would have great update support. It may not be as fast as what comes from google, BUT, it would be better compared to other OEMs! Also, I think the update issue you're talking about regarding nvidia? I think that's just history already. I didn't saw one x having a delayed update. Actually, it's not nvidia's fault alone. It's up to the OEMs that make updates. Don't put the blame on nvidia alone if LG can't update their devices.
Going back to price. Wow, are you kidding me?! 250 USD for ALL COST? ha? So, you think that 250 is enough to make a highend tablet, with all specs on the best state they could be as of now? Hmm, take some meds and rethink where you're going with your life. YOU'RE KIDDING ME?!
LOGISTICS, TAXES, LICENCES, LABOR, and ADVERTISEMENTS.
Logistics alone cost a lot, because you just don't consider the delivery of the finish product, you must also consider the material logistics etc. okay. enough.
33. remixfa (Posts: 14251; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
lol. your silly.
I think you need to step back from the kool aid and give it time.
Until there is a retail unit with side by side testing with the N10, we dont know which one is ACTUALLY faster and by how much. Power does not dictate cost to produce either.
I think you need to do a little research before barking at my heels like a moron though. Yea, the LG updates were 100% Nvidia's faults, as it wasnt just LG, that was the example I used. Nvidia demanded money for the updated code and not all manufacturers were willing to pay for it.
The oneX is a tegra3 device, not a tegra2 device. The oneX is also HTC's high profile flagship where the other devices did not hold such status. Apples and oranges. The oneX also CAME with Android 4.xx so it negates the point already. I'm talking about devices that were on 2.xx and 3.xx trying to get the update to 4.xx.
You nutty kids and your wild eyed craziness. Go do some research. If your going to be dumb enough to bark up my tree you better come at me with facts, not your stupidity.
35. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
Exactly what I'm saying. You're pointing out that it was all nvidia's fault, yet a tegra 3 device like 4x HD from LG haven't been upgraded yet. Can't you see what I'm saying here? I said, that what you're saying is already a history, it's a thing of the past. It won't be nvidia's fault alone. Also, you're saying that tegra 4 will suffer with what happened to tegra 2, yet tegra 3 didn't experienced such thing.
LG has been a bad OEM in terms of updates. I know you're a fan of LG, because you can't admit that it's not nvidia alone to blame here. Give other devices that uses tegra 3 that didn't get updated.
Saying I'm stupid makes you more look stupid. You said that n10 has the edge over Vizio's tablet, and now, you're stating that until there's a retail unit, we can't determine which is faster. You're contradicting what you have said earlier. I'm comparing two devices with their specifications, and as I can see, Vizio's tablet has the edge over n10 on paper. As of now, that's what I can conclude from the obvious facts that are given. n10 only has dual core A15 processors, while tegra 4 has quadcore. That alone can conclude which has an edge in terms of performance because of the fact that they both have the same architecture.
Please, stick to your arguments. Don't contradict what you're saying. You're losing your point. I know what I'm talking about. Just stop the hate for once before arguing. It ruins your point. Seriously.
stop talking about stupidity when you're the one showing it.
36. remixfa (Posts: 14251; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you obviously know nothing of architecture. They share very little other than an A15 base. The amount of cores it has is meaningless to compare to another set up's cores. Otherwise, by your logic the Tegra3 would be more powerful than the Exynos5 equipped N10 since its a quad core vs a dual core. Just stop while your behind.
You still have zero idea of what your talking about. Here's an idea.. instead of blindly shooting shyt out of the side of your mouth.. look to the top right of your screen.. i bet there is a google search bar there somewhere. Try looking up what is actually going on and inform yourself.
And if you had reading comprehension, I explained what "edge" the N10 had.. guaranteed updates. I never said ANYTHING about a power to power comparison until you brought it up. Again, you need reading comprehension. Paper specs are meaningless. Until there are real world tests with a RETAIL BOUGHT unit, the N10 reigns supreme.
No, saying your stupid ... is saying your stupid. It doesnt make me look like anything.
37. remixfa (Posts: 14251; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
And again, just because I forgot to mention, the 4xHD came with ICS out of the box, I am talking about devices that were on 2.xx and 3.xx that could have gotten the update to 4.xx but did not because of Nvidia demanding money to hand over the ICS code. You still dont get that simple point. Of course, I'm not really surprised at this point either.
39. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
OH GOD! Are you an idiot or what? Can't you see what I'm pointing out here? I said that Tegra 2's issue was a thing of the past. Oh for christ sake, can't you comprehend a thing? okay. I'm done here.
38. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
and where did that come from? Who says something like that? Tegra 3 v exynos 5250? Are you kidding? That are two different architectures! Didn't I say, in comparison with same architectures? You really are contradicting yourself.
Also, the irony on your statement. I'm stupid when in fact, you're saying "your stupid". Yeah, gotta say that, it's really hard to take your own advice.
By the way, if you can't comprehend what I'm saying, here it is. *you're
oh god. blaming alone the updates to the chipmaker, and not blaming the software maker. That's about right. If they really want to update their products, they would do anything for it. Okay okay. It was Nvidia's fault alone if it would make you shut up.
44. Dr.Phil (Posts: 958; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
Just to point out: it's not a good idea to call people out on bad grammar when you use bad grammar as well.
I think you are both wrong on different points. It's just best to leave it be for right now until we have more information. There is no use arguing price because, while we can speculate, there is no actual device in our hands that we can definitively look at to see what the component costs are. There is also no use arguing real world performance until we actually have the device on hand (however, I think it is very likely that the Tegra 4 beats out the Exynos 5250. I also would think it is likely that the Exynos 5450 will beat out the Tegra 4 when that chipset arrives).
I think in the end we have to just leave it to personal tastes as to what product you buy. If you want a device that promises the newest Android OS as soon as it comes out as well as strong development support (for rooting and what not) then the Nexus 10 is your choice, but if you want the latest in graphics and processing power then the Vizio tablet is your choice.
29. Dr.Phil (Posts: 958; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
Just because the Tegra 4 chipset is new and more powerful than the Exynos 5250 (by how much is really yet to be seen), it does not mean that it is necesarily more expensive. Nvidia has touted offering chipsets at low prices to create tablets such as the Nexus 7 affordable. Remember, the Nexus 7 was released just a few months after the Tegra 3 chipset was revealed.
Also, Vizio has never been one to offer high quality products at high prices. In fact, their business model is half opposite: offering high quality at low prices. Most of their television offerings are hundreds of dollars less than their competition while offering the same specifications. I would think this tablet can possibly be offered in the $400-$500 range.
26. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4526; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Vizio is KNOWN for good products that aren't too expensive. I really see no reason why this would change in their tablet endeavors.
I can easily see this at the same price point of the Nexus 10 or even $25.00 to $50.00 cheaper.
Vizio really has something nice here.
27. MeoCao (unregistered)
I guess it's all about timing, if Vizio outs this tablet in H2 then the cost can go down substantially.
31. Dr.Phil (Posts: 958; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
The Shield is supposedly going to be the first Tegra 4 device according to nVidia. That is suppose to come out in Q2 of this year. So, I would guess that would mean this device won't be seen til around that time.
34. remixfa (Posts: 14251; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Yea, Id expect around the $400ish range myself. They dont have the name brand power to demand the higher pricing with samsungs and ipads.
12. remixfa (Posts: 14251; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
It sounds great, but its gonna take a lot to make it better than a nexus. The first thing I think of is LG's line of products from last year. The G2X and the G-Slate tablet. Both were stock android sets powered by Nvidia's latest. And both of them were stopped from updating to ICS official by Nvidia.
Nvidia was/is demanding $$$ to release drivers for large updates. No other manufacturer does that. It stopped a lot of Tegra2 devices from getting updates.
Until we see assurances from Nvidia that they've stopped that practice I wont buy another Tegra device. Fool me once, fool me twice... ya know.
17. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 805; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)
NVIDIA does that? so ok, I'm also off to any Tegra Tabs for now.
21. remixfa (Posts: 14251; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
yes, they did/do unfortunately. Having a stock tablet not get updates to ICS because a 3rd party is demanding more money really pisses a customer off (I know).
So until I can find confirmation that they stopped that crap, I wont buy an Nvidia. I urge others to do the same. Hit them in the wallet and they will start to listen.
46. deuel18 (Posts: 39; Member since: 28 Dec 2012)
how'd you know this? i wanna know more. do u have an article?
49. ajac09 (Posts: 1375; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
at least there has no way of sucking last the last Vizio tablet LOL
3. jibraihimi (Posts: 705; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)
Wow Vizio, nice tablet. Now launch it world over, and take my money...........
4. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Featherweight? Ultra high resolution?
Seems that A15 isn't a battery hog after all.
8. ajac09 (Posts: 1375; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
isheep websites make up 99% of bad stuff about android
20. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
It's Anandtech I was referring to.
They were doing a comparison with Intel Atom.
And they make claims on A15 based on just one product (Nexus 10).
This here A15 is said to have up to 45% less power consumption than the previous A9 based quad core version (Tegra 3)
From what I see, Intel is kicked out of the park and there's still no competition with ARM at all
22. remixfa (Posts: 14251; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
I havent read the article yet, but I'd believe the power reduction. The T3 was not very good for power.
5. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3089; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
...and we've got a superb competition!!
9. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
This means is possible to dream for a Nexus 7 with a tegra 4 :O
14. Captain_Doug (Posts: 837; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
Are those speaker grills on the back running along the sides? Sweet. Ideally it could dock with something but I think it's quite amazing regardless.
24. mydi.maus (unregistered)
this is a must have tablet..
28. lauremar (Posts: 181; Member since: 29 Feb 2012)
Take my money!!! I've had the Motorola Xoom since it came out... It's time for me to upgrade and this tablet or a Nexus 10 (though I'm not impressed by Samsung's design) could be my next tablet.
40. remixfa (Posts: 14251; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
" As of now, that's what I can conclude from the obvious facts that are given. n10 only has dual core A15 processors, while tegra 4 has quadcore. That alone can conclude which has an edge in terms of performance because of the fact that they both have the same architecture."
"Who says something like that? Tegra 3 v exynos 5250? Are you kidding? That are two different architectures! Didn't I say, in comparison with same architectures? You really are contradicting yourself."
Correction, you are contradicting YOURSELF.
The tegra2 issue isnt a thing of the past for the people that still rock tegra2 sets, of which there are many. Nvidia's business practices havent changed, so expect the same issue to arise if/when we see android 5.xx.
Nvidia has earned my money for computer parts, but they have burned bridges until further notice on mobile parts. I have 2 tegra2 devices and a tegra3 device in my house and neither T2 has ICS officially. Thankfully they have been able to get ICS/JB working on T2 tablets, they just dont have working cameras, which is fine. But that is because of a strong mod community, not because of help from Nvidia who tried to squash mod development at one point.
No, the minor updates are manufacturer faults.. 2.2 to 2.3.. 4.0 to 4.1.. the major updates are still held back to this day by Nvidia unless the manufacturer pays per device for them... aka the 2.3 to 4.0+ upgrade that most T2 users are hoping for. Motorola cancelled a bunch of major upgrades for older flagship T2 phones this past year due to it. Its not an "LG" thing, its an Nvidia thing. And its quite well known through the mod communities.
Breathe into a paper bag... and go do some research.
41. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4526; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
EASY there tiger. lol
Reading this looks like the glory days of taco50. I enjoy reading his VERY much.
Anyways how do you like your quad-core Qualcomm Krait S4 Pro with Adreno 320?
I TOLD you it was going to come out in 2012. lol
42. remixfa (Posts: 14251; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Other than there doesnt seem to be any CPU step down clocking (its either at minimum speed or maximum speed, though normally a chip will dynamically adjust between multiple speeds depending on load) its pretty nice. I keep it underclocked to 1ghz because 1.5ghz is just unneeded.
The nexus4 is a near perfect phone for regular use. A hair more battery power and some CPU and camera tweaks and its there. I almost never pick up my tablet any more which I used to use quite often with my SGS1. When the exynos5 quads drop into devices I might look at trading it up, but other than that there isnt much of anything thats gonna entice me at all.
Yes yes, you were right on the timeline, i was wrong :) Happy now :) :) :) Not my fault they broke the traditional 6-8 month chip upgrade cycle. :)
Did you ever get your HTC butterfly that you were droolin over?
This guy is a fool. Dont know who he is and he obviously doesnt know me, but he's a darn fool..lol
43. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4526; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Yeah I have the HTC Droid DNA & it's CLEARLY the best phone out for Verizon & the world for that matter. The 1080p SLCD HD screen is like NOTHING you have ever seen. It's CLEARLY the crowning jewel of mobile tech at the moment. Using it daily since it came out I am STILL at awe from the beauty of it. EVERYTHING on that phone looks so good, bright & oh so VERY clean/crisp. Websites on that screen are incredible, you literally see EVERYTHING, I know because my last phone was 720p & 1080p is just bananas.
You are so right about the underclocking. The phone is just so BEAST that even down from 1.5GHz to 1GHz the phone just humms with no lag what so ever.
I can't even imagine how EPIC a quad-core A-15 would be. I am telling you, these new phones are so darn powerful. I don't even know what to do with all that power. lol
47. Supaheight (Posts: 66; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)
hpe it'll be out soon and that the price will not be too high, does someone know about the release date
48. ajac09 (Posts: 1375; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
hope we get more info soon. damnit I want one