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Verizon's response to FCC unsatisfactory and troubling, says Commissioner

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Verizon's response to FCC unsatisfactory and troubling, says Commissioner
Mignon Clyburn is one of the 5 FCC Commissioners which means that anything she says regarding Verizon's written reply to the FCC for its $350 ETF and the $1.99 Mobile Web charges carries a bit of weight to it. And she is not happy, saying that Big Red's comments were, "unsatisfactory amd in some cases troubling." Not only does the Commissioner note that a triple digit ETF doesn't serve the public interest, she is "alarmed" that customers are being charged $1.99 for just merely heading to the Mobile Web home page without having a data plan. Verizon's response that such customers were not charged unless they jumped from the home page to another site, suggesting use of the Mobile Web, was met with,oh, let's call it a moderate degree of skepticism as the Commissioner writes, "press reports and consumer complaints strongly suggest otherwise. I look forward to exploring this issue in greater depth with my colleagues in the New Year." Want to read the Commissioners letter? Check out the source link.and take notes on how to write a letter that will get results.

source: FCC via Engadget

Verizon's response to FCC unsatisfactory and troubling, says Commissioner

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posted on 20 Oct 2010, 01:44

1. blackirish24 (Posts: 15; Member since: 24 Dec 2008)


I think it's interesting how the government is stepping into every aspect of our lives and telling people now what they can and can't charge for their services and / or products. What's next ? Hey McDonalds!!!! You took some items off the dollar menu and now charge a $1.30 for the same item. Gonna have to shut you down as a result....And how come Gas companies still haven't been thoroughly investigated for the extreme gas prices and unbelieveable profits as a result?

posted on 24 Dec 2009, 06:53

2. hawk62 (Posts: 320; Member since: 21 Nov 2009)


This is what their job is. I bet my plan has more than one of those bs charges on it.

posted on 24 Dec 2009, 07:23

4. Mateo8326 (Posts: 472; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)


I guess you don't understand the concept of People who have power(kings,Governers,Presidents,Government, etcs.)determine what is right and wrong and what is fair and unfair in the world

posted on 24 Dec 2009, 08:21

7. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


because blackirish, the gas companies didnt make extreme profits. you need to quit listening to democrats. simple lesson. gas is relative to the price per barrel. its not just "hey lets raise the gas prices for fun!!" Also a gas company makes about 8 cents per gallon while the government makes about 30 cents per gallon between state and federal taxes. So.. who makes the "extreme profits" off gas? the gas company pays billions in taxes, payroll, drilling, research ect.. the goverment just takes money off the top. Ugh, i hate stupid democrats. You have to be on the homepage longer than 10 seconds for it to charge anything. It is what it is. If you dont want the web, tell them t block it... and you never have to worry about it. A little personal responcibility goes a long way... but i guess we are so used to our nanny state mentality to figure that out.

posted on 24 Dec 2009, 09:10

13. Striker13084 (Posts: 126; Member since: 30 Mar 2009)


ok enough about gas prices, it comesdown to if you don't like it go somewhere else but it seems that most people dont mind it because it hasn't slowed the flow of customers from going to verizon stores.

posted on 24 Dec 2009, 13:30

34. Fanboys Suck (Posts: 609; Member since: 12 Dec 2008)


If I tried, I couldn't have said it better. Beautifully spoken remixfa.

posted on 24 Dec 2009, 13:54

36. deschats (Posts: 193; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


blackirish, your reply makes no sense. the government isnt controlling everything, the fcc is right and verizon shouldnt charge that much just to get out of their contract.

posted on 25 Dec 2009, 01:27

47. SamTime (Posts: 253; Member since: 07 Nov 2009)


You clearly didn't read the fcc's letter. The reason they find it troubling was because how verizon justified raising the ETF. Go back and read the actual letter. It's not very long. It's not about controlling companies, it's about doing what's fair. If u bought a sweater then decided to return it but then found out that it costs twice as much to return it as it did to buy, would that be fair at all? Does that serve the public in any way? Verizon shouldn't offer such large subsidies or BOGO deals if they're concerned about losing money from people who leave they're contract early.

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 09:28

53. dongdou (Posts: 49; Member since: 18 Jan 2009)


The FRP of a droid is 559.99 when you buy it from verizon its 199.99 excluding New every two.and since you cant do math let me break it down for you. Thats 360.00 diff! When your signing a contract your agreeing to that purchased price for two years! if you etf at less then half the diff for the actual price of the phone the company is losing money. So if you go into business selling sweaters or whatever you do, your gonna go down fast giving your money away.

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 09:53

54. nalu808 (Posts: 39; Member since: 14 Jul 2009)


it appears mateo and many other people in this country like you that the us constitution was written exactly so kings, presidents government wouldnt have these kinds of powers...that "WE THE PEOPLE" determine how we want to be governed.. the sad reality is people dont care and want to be taken care of and with that we give up control... ben franklin once said "he who gives up liberty in the persuit of saftey deserves niether liberty nor saftey"

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 09:54

55. nalu808 (Posts: 39; Member since: 14 Jul 2009)


remixfa that is awsome key words are personal responsibility which not many people have.

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 09:58

56. nosense (Posts: 53; Member since: 19 Jul 2009)


Verizon not only makes money from the phone but the monthly plan as wel.l The phone is at 559.99 retail for consumer, but verizon only bought the phone for about 50 each(just an estimate but it is close to what they pay moto per phone) so there is a profit from selling the phone for low prices, regardless. And their main reason for raised etf prices is because of their BOGO deals, but all the people that are only buying 1 pda device and not the BOGO deal has to pay the same raised etf price when they only are buying one. So yes it is ridiculous, so before you go around calling people idiots you need to find out the way comapnies actually make profit. When they sell a phone they put a price way over 50% value of what they paid to receive the phone. And that is not including the profit they make from the monthly bill. Now that aside I know companies do not make a profit until several months into the 2 yr contract but if they are scared of people cancelling then they shouldnt have these BOGO deals and they should not charge an arm and a leg for their plans.

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 10:28

60. dongdou (Posts: 49; Member since: 18 Jan 2009)


Your an idiot too! The fact is the company pays near FRP for a device. Look up the manufacturer mr knows it all. second and secon the Verizon company really only gets about 9.00 per family plan and if they are giving away even a 200.00 phone for free think of how long it takes the company to gain back their money and actually be prophitable on it. So don't come in the conversation if you don't know how it works. IDIOT!

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 10:55

61. nosense (Posts: 53; Member since: 19 Jul 2009)


Your still the the biggest idiot on here. Manufacturers price for the droid is 200.00 which is probably that high because it is a first for them, so u need to shut ya dumb ass up because that is still alot less than the etf. and where the hell do you get that they only get 9 per family maybe thats what a sale associates makes depending where they work but you need to get your facts straight. So back to the point dont call others idiots, when you are the Biggest IDIOT in this conversation.

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 11:06

62. dongdou (Posts: 49; Member since: 18 Jan 2009)


Awwe did I hurt the little babies feelings? I know all this cause I work for them. So when you can actually back up what you have to say you need to stay out of my business. It's idiots like you that make this job so fun. know it alls that know nothing..

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 11:24

63. dongdou (Posts: 49; Member since: 18 Jan 2009)


You really match your name NO SENSE. cause your last reply made no sense. Listen go to motorolla's site if you can get proof the droid is frp 200.00 no contract ill belive you. post the link. But the cost of running a phone on out network is about 16.00 per phone. when you add the price plan and the second line verizon is putting out over four dollars for a secondary line. on a family plan that has 5 lines 700 minutes thats 99.96 minus the cost it takes to kepp those lines active is profit for the company maybe about 20.00 then not to mention other network costs which makes it about 9.00 a customer and then a little more for higher teird customers. So again you make no sense. And I'm sorry but if you don't do your research and find the best phone for what you need, you deserve an etf. Quit crying!

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 12:03

65. nosense (Posts: 53; Member since: 19 Jul 2009)


I would never get verizon because of all the bull shit they do and you say you work for them that why people dont like verizon because of arragant people like you. Crying, what from what I say shows that Im crying I guess you have to be an ass so people think your tough. htto://cell-phones.toptenreviews.com/smartphones/motorola/motorola-droid-review.html

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 12:08

66. tallica05 (Posts: 93; Member since: 26 Dec 2009)


I would have to agree with the dongdou guy. If you own a company your in it to make money and not lose money. He has a solid argument. But its stupid to fight over cause its all a point of view.

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 12:14

67. dongdou (Posts: 49; Member since: 18 Jan 2009)


Were glad your not a customer! Cause dumb people like you whine about crap they dont understand. It's over your head and since it confuses you it makes you upset. Your one of those people that need it spelled out for them before they get the big picture. then when you do get it, you still try and act like your right. There should be a test peple take before they get sell phones. cause it wouldnt make sense to nosense cause he has none. Then he would be denied a phone and not ineligable to complain about them when he can't grasp the concept of a policy.

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 12:16

68. tallica05 (Posts: 93; Member since: 26 Dec 2009)


LOL.

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 12:40

69. nosense (Posts: 53; Member since: 19 Jul 2009)


I understand you dumb fuck, its unfortunate your so ignorant. That is why people are complaing of it and verizon is the only company doing because that dont care about the consumers, amd with idiot like your ass makes it worse. I had verizon, and switched because of how shitty customer service mysterious charges on the bull they couldnt explain so aalways got credited for it. it sad that your arguments back are just insult so you can seem hard, when your nothing but a pussy.

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 12:58

70. dongdou (Posts: 49; Member since: 18 Jan 2009)


Yeah easy to say through email, mr. makes nosense. If we have such bad customer service then explain why we get best customer service in the wireless industry awards? You really just need to read facts before you make accusations that are irrelivant and meaningless to make yourself feel smart. And trying to insult me by being vulger isnt helping you look to smart either. At least I'm able to insult your inteligents all you can come up with is childish name calling that if you met me in person you wouldn't dare say it to my face. Get over yourself you know nothing of the wireless industry so stop commenting on Verizons page cause your gone from this company. I'll have any vz customers back. But idiots like you who leave over us raising an etf i could care less about. Ok champ.

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 14:06

71. nosense (Posts: 53; Member since: 19 Jul 2009)


You need to do your research when the hell has verizon been #1 for customer service type in pd power and associate you see that tmobile is #1. Verizon is always been rated in the low percentile, just this website alone will prove what you just wrong. So why dont you do read the facts before you post. You try to talk big when you dont know that facts your self. You insult no ones intelligence just because you think your write. Really who cares if they raise the etf I would get verizon, You just offened by the comment I made about your post my comment was going towards what you wrote proving you were wrong not that verizon raised the etf. So rethink what you plan to post because clearly you have no sense in understanded my post.

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 14:13

72. dongdou (Posts: 49; Member since: 18 Jan 2009)


OH my goodness your dumb! Did you not read? In the wirelesss industry we lead! Again there you go thinking you know it all then your proved wrong again! I feel bad for your parents. I bet you were an accident they tried to fix but just wrecked your brain function..

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 14:16

73. tallica05 (Posts: 93; Member since: 26 Dec 2009)


Wow thats mean dude. Though I may not agree with your insult twards nosense I do like Verizons customer service. Being a customer and all. But why are ya'll talking about that when this conversation should be about Etf's? And your right Verizon is best CS in cell phones.

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 14:19

74. dongdou (Posts: 49; Member since: 18 Jan 2009)


Thank you! I only am rude to him cause he has nothing to do with this conversation not even being a part of verizon. and since he is wrong 100% of the time.

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 14:21

75. dongdou (Posts: 49; Member since: 18 Jan 2009)


oh and T mobile customer service hasnt done anything since late 07 early 08 since then its been verizon.

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 14:24

76. dongdou (Posts: 49; Member since: 18 Jan 2009)


So what is tallica anyway? like Metallica? if so thats awesome best band in the world..

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 14:27

77. tallica05 (Posts: 93; Member since: 26 Dec 2009)


Yes it is lol. I'm their biggest fan. if they had a Metallica phone i'd buy it with a 350.00 Etf lol.

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 15:16

79. nosense (Posts: 53; Member since: 19 Jul 2009)


http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/JD-Power---Associates-names-T-Mobile-as-the-most-satisfying-wire less-carrier-article-a_6975.html This link show how tmobile is #1 most satidfying company and theier is many more, and I dont care about tmobile I am just using this articel to prove you wrong, and the article is from Sep.t 2009. Please research before you talk, Its sad how you have you head so far up verizon as, you think your right, you are nothing but an immature ass, that cant admit that your wrong and that cant read correctly since you misunderstood my orinal text. I have posted two links showing how incorrect your dumbass is, yet you keep talking, like I said maybe you should reread the first post I wrote, and shut up because you are very ignorant your not stating facts your just saying crap and try to insult me to prove a nonsense point. If you reply back with other dumd comment having nothing to do with my original post then yeah your definitley a dumbass, because you clearly cant read correctly.

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 15:56

80. dongdou (Posts: 49; Member since: 18 Jan 2009)


Again you try and call me imature when your the one getting defensive over not undersating an ETF and you dragged it to this. Verizon wins may customer service awards not just based on jd power. So that being said Your still an idiot so I dont bother to proof read you psychobable cause its boring and meaningless cause you have nothing to do with the cell phone industry. Your comments and insults are boring, distasteful, bogus, and lame. Everyone who has read them is now dumber for now listening to what you have said. I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul.

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 16:11

81. tallica05 (Posts: 93; Member since: 26 Dec 2009)


Well I know I feel dumber lol jk man why dont you both call it a tie and quit fighting over something that is neither of your decision. ETF who cares?? Its all about the network anyway. which Verizon takes the cake.. Etf thats just a number

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 16:23

82. dongdou (Posts: 49; Member since: 18 Jan 2009)


o k. Well your weird. but yor right. I'm bored of fighting with know nothing wannabe know it alls. I guess I'll be the bigger network and walk away...

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 18:08

84. Sniggly (Posts: 6759; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Nosense, you're full of shit. I work for a Verizon Wireless indirect store and we pay 537.00 for every Moto Droid we get, and the Droid Eris is only about a hundred less. They do NOT cost us "50 dollars."

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 18:25

86. dongdou (Posts: 49; Member since: 18 Jan 2009)


Boo ya! Just more proof that nosense is an idiot..

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 22:23

87. vzwtechbill (Posts: 175; Member since: 16 Mar 2009)


Wow, reports say that AT&T have to pay around $600 to Apple for each Iphone, yet VZW only pays $50 for Droids? What a deal!! EPIC FAIL

posted on 27 Dec 2009, 10:50

92. nosense (Posts: 53; Member since: 19 Jul 2009)


I reposted and correct my self Droid was a little more didnt mean 50, but you just said it you work for an indirect company your company pays more that direct dealers, and if dongdou works directly for verizon as he says he does he should know that is true, I worked for verizon att tmobile and sprint, so dont talk if you dont know anything other than what your indirect dealer does

posted on 27 Dec 2009, 11:00

93. nosense (Posts: 53; Member since: 19 Jul 2009)


Are you the owner of the indirect dealer you work at, are you there when they purchase the phone. you sell it to people for for that price it doesnt mean your company gets it for that price. Thats what they probably tell you too dick you, do you really think they will tell you a sales rep what they pay for what the sell in store for their phones

posted on 29 Dec 2009, 17:09

95. Sniggly (Posts: 6759; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


*Ahem* I ordered the phones myself from the warehouse. Their list price was 537 dollars apiece. And yes, they will tell me the cost of the phone so I know how much I can discount the phone and still make a profit if someone asks me to lower the price. We were selling the phone for 600 dollars full retail and 400 dollars out the door on upgrade...and still making only about 100 dollars on them. You don't know anything, Nosense. Maybe the direct stores pay less, but it can't be much less. And certainly not anywhere close to 50 dollars.

posted on 02 Jan 2010, 19:16

96. dubracer223 (Posts: 46; Member since: 16 Mar 2009)


dude seriously after you just got spanked verbally by talking out your ass this is what you come back with? people dont like verizon? last i checked we have the most customers....i say we cuz i also work for them. hate to burst your bubble but dongdou has is right. phones like the droid and blackberries dont come cheap for the companies...any company not just verizon. you get them at a huge discount based on the fact that you as a customer complete your contract...if you dont the company loses money. now that being said multiply that by the amount of people that do this and the companies lose huge. now if they cant make this back by charging etf's then how does a company stay in business and make upgrades and improvements for those people who stuck it out. profitability also affects what kinds of promotions go into effect in the future. bottom line is...if the company doesnt make money the consumer will not have nice phones to choose from, he wont get it at a decent price, let alone be able to use the damn thing. cell phone service is a luxury to have not a right. you think the phones offered suck...the service sucks....the etf you get charged because your stupid ass got a phone that is smarter that you are(im generalizing here...most customers just want to be trendy and dont know what they want) then dont get a cell phone. save me the hassle of wasting my time in the store because you cant make up your mind or dont want to listen. oh by the way the $350 etf is only on premium devices which i think is fair personally.

posted on 02 Jan 2010, 19:25

97. dubracer223 (Posts: 46; Member since: 16 Mar 2009)


if you work in any retail location the actual price of our merchandise if virtually common knowledge since we do a physical count every morning and a full inventory once a month....im just sayin ;p

posted on 24 Dec 2009, 07:01

3. BeInspired (Posts: 45; Member since: 21 Apr 2009)


Verizon is just not right to raise the ETF, what is the point to raise that when every other cellphone carrier competitors lowering their ETF? People are saying, verizon is too good, who wants to leave verizon, then in that case, verizon no need to worry about ETF. People saying, because verizon is loosing money on those smart phones that is why to raise the ETF? that is just a buuuuuullll. Think about it, when verizon customer left verizon, what can they do to the phone? it is a CDMA phone, can't do anything, so that phone just became trash, so customer going to throw that phone to the trash can, i don't think verizon customer will leave verizon, and go to Sprint. Therefore, we, the customer also loose money, throwing a 200-300 dollar devices into trashcan.

posted on 24 Dec 2009, 07:28

5. Mateo8326 (Posts: 472; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)


Well that's life i mean you choose a carrier either b/c someone or you think it goods. Who care cares about throwing away 200-300 dollar when a two year contract makes up for all of that. Them raising the ETF was a good business move to keep them lock in contract but it's not what's for the consumer. You win some you lose some.

posted on 24 Dec 2009, 08:18

6. blackirish24 (Posts: 15; Member since: 24 Dec 2008)


Actually etf only affects people that company hop every year and for those customers there are one year contracts with every carrier. If i want a phone without a contract I buy it full retail or used. You can block internet from your phone and will never have to worry about internet charges. So if you ever go to internet accidentally or not I see that as my fault not the companies. I didn't sue mitsubishi when I got a speeding ticket for going over the 75mph speed limit on the interstate. I wasn't looking at the speedometer so I shouldn't be liable right? I pay my ticket, bills, and understand what I do I'm liable for.....

posted on 24 Dec 2009, 08:23

8. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


the point of raising the etf on SMARTPHONES ONLY was because of their BOGO blackberry deals. people were doing BOGO storms and then selling them. If you get a storm2 for free, sell it for 400, and pay the 175 etf, you still make 225 for the trouble, while VZW eats all the subsidies on both phones. They are just trying to stop that practice. Better to raise the ETF than lose the BOGO deal isnt it?

posted on 24 Dec 2009, 09:14

16. Striker13084 (Posts: 126; Member since: 30 Mar 2009)


The data charges are also if you go to the application browser and look for ring tones, ringback tones,or games and many people don't understand that.

posted on 24 Dec 2009, 09:48

19. testman22 (Posts: 337; Member since: 03 Nov 2009)


I don't see the people complaining stepping up to pay the full retail of $560 for a motorola droid which is what the manufacturer charges. If you don't want to be in a contract the pay extra for the phone. Personally I know i'll be with verizon for the next 2 years so i'll gladly take the $360 discount on the phone

posted on 24 Dec 2009, 11:13

23. Illyich (Posts: 167; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)


The ETF is only for some of the phones, correct? That is explained in your terms and conditions. You don't have to get those phones, you know what you're getting in to. Also, AT&T charges $2.00 per MB for internet usage without a data plan... where even 1 KB is rounded up to 1 mb.

posted on 24 Dec 2009, 13:00

27. steelrik (Posts: 18; Member since: 15 Oct 2009)


Are you sure about? because I know plenty of people & countries that they want a CDMA phone from Verizon or Sprint or maybe Cricket. Example our nearest neighbor at the South: Mexico. In Mexico there's a CDMA company and guess what YOU CAN ACTIVATE YOUR VERIZON, SPRINT OR CRICKET PHONE WITH THEM, even Mercadolibre.com (partner site of ebay for latin america) & ebay A LOT OF PEOPLE sell you a unlocked Verizon, Sprint or Cricket for working over and I suppose that other places in Latin america are CDMA. And also because is more cheaper a HTC Touch Pro sell by someone in the US than outside. And even I Heard that in Cricket you can bring to them you Verizon or Sprint phone so you can activate the phone with them

posted on 24 Dec 2009, 13:00

28. steelrik (Posts: 18; Member since: 15 Oct 2009)


Are you sure about? because I know plenty of people & countries that they want a CDMA phone from Verizon or Sprint or maybe Cricket. Example our nearest neighbor at the South: Mexico. In Mexico there's a CDMA company and guess what YOU CAN ACTIVATE YOUR VERIZON, SPRINT OR CRICKET PHONE WITH THEM, even Mercadolibre.com (partner site of ebay for latin america) & ebay A LOT OF PEOPLE sell you a unlocked Verizon, Sprint or Cricket for working over and I suppose that other places in Latin america are CDMA. And also because is more cheaper a HTC Touch Pro sell by someone in the US than outside. And even I Heard that in Cricket you can bring to them you Verizon or Sprint phone so you can activate the phone with them

posted on 24 Dec 2009, 13:00

29. steelrik (Posts: 18; Member since: 15 Oct 2009)


Are you sure about? because I know plenty of people & countries that they want a CDMA phone from Verizon or Sprint or maybe Cricket. Example our nearest neighbor at the South: Mexico. In Mexico there's a CDMA company and guess what YOU CAN ACTIVATE YOUR VERIZON, SPRINT OR CRICKET PHONE WITH THEM, even Mercadolibre.com (partner site of ebay for latin america) & ebay A LOT OF PEOPLE sell you a unlocked Verizon, Sprint or Cricket for working over and I suppose that other places in Latin america are CDMA. And also because is more cheaper a HTC Touch Pro sell by someone in the US than outside. And even I Heard that in Cricket you can bring to them you Verizon or Sprint phone so you can activate the phone with them

posted on 24 Dec 2009, 13:02

30. steelrik (Posts: 18; Member since: 15 Oct 2009)


Sorry for the repeated comment issues with the computer

posted on 24 Dec 2009, 13:02

31. steelrik (Posts: 18; Member since: 15 Oct 2009)


Sorry for the repeated comment issues with the computer

posted on 24 Dec 2009, 13:02

32. steelrik (Posts: 18; Member since: 15 Oct 2009)


Sorry for the repeated comment issues with the computer

posted on 25 Dec 2009, 01:47

48. SamTime (Posts: 253; Member since: 07 Nov 2009)


Paying for a phone full price really is a moot point. Let's say I did buy an iPhone for full price from amazon. Let's also say it magically worked on verizon and that I wanted verizon's service so I signed up. A month in I find that verizon wasn't for me so I wanted to switch to another carrier. How does playing a $350 ETF help them recoup the losses for a phone they never actually sold to me? The high ETF really is unfair. Let's now say I stick with verizon. The money I pay monthly for phone calls and data should cover network maintenance costs and other costs to run the company. If it doesn't, then there's something wrong with verizon's business model, not the public. Raising the ETF shouldn't help to pay for maintaining their network and such. Let's now say that I signed up for a two year contract and got myself the moto droid for $199. If their business model is good, then at the end of the two years they should earn more money from me than it cost them to service me in the first place. No ETF needed to cover any operating costs whatsoever.

posted on 25 Dec 2009, 02:03

49. Sarxos (Posts: 1; Member since: 25 Dec 2009)


Hey samtime just an fyi... when you provide a device that you own and have not bought from that carrier they generally sign you up for a no-contract deal. So... no ETF. Thought you might want to know that, and also the ridiculous amounts of money that these companies lose when people get highly subsidized devices is amazing. Not many industries have to deal with that. I believe that AT&T was negative in their profit margin most of last year wholly due to subsidized Iphones?

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 10:03

57. nosense (Posts: 53; Member since: 19 Jul 2009)


Correction that is what verizon charges, moto sells the device for way cheaper than 560 that just the price verizon puts on it.

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 14:43

78. sinfulta (Posts: 268; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)


Actually Nosense, they do not sell it cheaper. They charge $599.99 full cost with no contract from Motorola. So if you were buying at full price it's cheaper to buy from Verizon at full retail instead.

posted on 26 Dec 2009, 22:50

88. Dood (Posts: 269; Member since: 23 Mar 2009)


If you bought your own phone you don't even have to get a contract. Dood-1 SamTime-0

posted on 02 Jan 2010, 19:34

98. dubracer223 (Posts: 46; Member since: 16 Mar 2009)


dood nice way to put it. again falls back on personal responsibility. as a rep in a corporate store...i see this shit way too much. im all for giving someone the benefit of the doubt but theres a limit. too many people abuse the system with the "oh i didnt know" excuse. this is the result. if people actually read the stuff we give them when they sign up....this could all be avoided. how are you gonna sign up on a 1-2 yr contract and not know what the fuck you signed up for?? would you read the loan documents if this was a house? what about a car?

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