Verizon version of Samsung Galaxy S III shows up on Nenamark Benchmark site
0. phoneArena 12 May 2012, 20:02 posted on
The Verizon variant of the Samsung Galaxy S III was found on the Nenamark Benchmark web site on Friday; the model number of the device was the SCH-I535 and the 1.5GHz CPU sounds like the S4 as does the Adreno 225 in the role of GPU...
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1. cGmC11 (Posts: 136; Member since: 02 Apr 2012)
So great news... The dual-core Snapdragon S4 is better than quad-core Exynos!
12. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Yea, ill believe it when I see it. Anandtech ran full benches of the exynos on the display units at the event and it smashed everything, even the PowerVR in the new iPad3, which is the current GPU king.
The Adreno 225 doesnt hold a candle to the Mali400 in the SGS2 OR SGS3.
I'll trust Anandtech over random profile on a benchmark suite.
18. abhishek48 (Posts: 164; Member since: 19 Feb 2012)
No, GPU in galaxy s3 Mali 400@400mhz is faster than gpu of iphone 4s or ipad 2 but not as good as IPAD 3, IPAD 3 has Power VR mp4, it is actually 1.5 to 2 times faster than mali 400@400 mhz... but as galaxy s3 dosent has to push that many pixels as ipad 3, this gpu is more than sufficient to next 2 yrs
48. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
exactly.. yet, you got thumbs down on what is a fact of the matter. this site is flocking with trolls
64. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
whats funny is your saying what he said is true.. but all of those chips mentioned, including the mali 400 are stronger than the adreno 225, which you go on to try to tell me is better..
which way is it? is he right or are you right? hmmm?
bad troll... bad.
58. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5710; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
you're so right man, all of these people thumbing you down need to go get a clue. :P
75. abhishek48 (Posts: 164; Member since: 19 Feb 2012)
what should i say, i know which product is best for what use, so i buy the right thing, in tablets ipad3 has best gpu not the best cpu, right now cpu related work in less in mobile OS, so performance on ipad 3 will always be high.
In phones GS2 was king ahead from iphone 4s in cpu and on par gpu performance as pixels to push was less , it will still be good for next 2 yrs to run any game on android market, so i bought it.
I know right now all tablets are blow up phones, so iam waiting for wp8 which will be a true tablet.
Mean while i bought a bbplaybook which is on par with ipad 2 in any thing except app count.. and has best browser. $200 a true value for money
65. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i just wanted to point out, that the i4s and the ipad3 share the same chip and GPU..
The PowerVR chip in the ipad3 is an upclocked version of the same powerVR chip found in the i4s. The reason the battery is so big is because that upclock sucks juice like a mofo.
I never said the ipad3 was a slouch in the GPU department. .. in fact I believe I called it the current GPU king.
Nothing in phone form even comes close to the SGS3 in benchmarks unless it is a test that caps the FPS.
70. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5710; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
it's not exactly the same and i think you know this. current PowerVR GPUs have a configurable amount of cores that can be used with them. the 4S and the iPad 2 use the same dual-core gpu core configuration but are clocked differently between the two devices. the iPad 3 uses the quad-core configuration which is upclocked like you already mentioned. hence the "MP2 and MP4" parts at the end of their product names. that's why i separate that part in parentheses usually. the SGX543(MP4) hasn't been nor will it ever be beaten anytime soon unless TI goes with a quad-core configuration for the SGX544 that they're using with the OMAP5 which is possible.
76. abhishek48 (Posts: 164; Member since: 19 Feb 2012)
iphone 4s has dual core mp2 gpu ipad 3 has quad core mp4 gpu .. double the performance.. i dont care how many thumbs down i get.
I have bought the best products which i bought after reading hunder articles, doing hands on many devices
Best phone : Galaxy s2, Lg thrill 4g(bcoz i like 3d)
Best Table: BB playbook,.. Performance same as Ipad2, better browser, slightly lower gpu($200 value for money)
ALSO, EVEN THOUGH IPAD3 GPU IS SUPERIOR IS NOT NEEDED IN A PHONE, SO GALAXY S3'S GPU IS GOOD, .. but wait for note 2 to come with mali t604 with 6 times the performance of mali 400
46. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Boy, how low can you go?
Now even the GPU in SGS2 is better than adreno 225?
Go get your head examined
55. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Why dont you go research it through anandtech before you spout off? That would be neat.
Lets see.. anandtech does a full benchmark suite infront of the camera as proof and it says one thing..
or this random profile shows up and says another..
whoooooo should I trust? hmm.
I've trusted anandtech for like 15+ years.. i think ill keep trusting them.
15. hung2900 (Posts: 943; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)
Can you show me the evidence that Adreno 225 is better than Mali-400MP 400MHz+?
And remember about offscreen benchmark, not onscreen because of ~60Hz refresh rate limit. Almost graphic benchmark tools on PC are also offscreen.
17. abhishek48 (Posts: 164; Member since: 19 Feb 2012)
Big joke, Aderano 225 is no way near Mali 400 @ 400 mhz,
Nenamark, vellamo favour Qualcomm chip,
The real difference can be seen in GLBenchmark which all OEM consider, its 103 fps(Mali 400) vs 70fps(S4)
Actually Aderano 225 is just 10% faster than Mali 400@266 mhz which is in gs2, so buying any Phone with S4 u really dont have much advantage over galaxy s2 it self, bcoz these days its is clear that gpu holds the key for mobile devices bcoz cpu dosent has much to do they way it does in PC. Look at IPAD 3, it has old cpu as ipad 2, so the Galaxy s3, HTC onex , s have better cpu than ipad 3, but the key is GPU of ipad 3 which is more powerfull than any thing elese its 1.5 to 2 times more powerfull than gpu of galaxy s3
4. Luuthian (Posts: 239; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)
For gaming, yeah. For processing tasks, no.
The advantage of the S4 version is that it'll have great graphics and LTE, but it won't be as snappy in the background. The Exynos version won't have LTE, but it'll likely run faster in the background. There's also the question of power managment.
But whatever. Both versions will hopefully be great handsets. I can't see the differences between the two creating completely different experiences.
27. jroc74 (Posts: 5980; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Yea....at this point in time.....performance will be whatever with these current and upcoming phones. Battery life is my main thing going forward.
9. ph00ny (Posts: 1129; Member since: 26 May 2011)
It is? Specially on a device where it's v-sync limited?
26. jroc74 (Posts: 5980; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
I try to stay outta the benchmarks wars now....but Anandtech did benchmarks of the GS3 and the quad core Exynos was the leader in most categories.
Maybe you mean the S4 vs. the Tegra 3? Om either case....the one that has better battery life will get my money.
90. PattyPat (Posts: 3; Member since: 16 May 2012)
> The dual-core Snapdragon S4 is better than quad-core Exynos!
Huh? The dual-core is *SLOWER* and wastes 20% *MORE* power.
2. henrickrw (Posts: 408; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
I am careless.. I will get the International version.
5. iTroll-killer (Posts: 1; Member since: 22 Apr 2012)
wait and see glbenchmark egypt offscreen score
i think mali 400 beats adreno 225
11. ph00ny (Posts: 1129; Member since: 26 May 2011)
It's not even close when 60fps cap is not a factor
13. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
they are ONLY close when capped, because it lowers Exynos's scores.
S4 defenders can celebrate all they want but when retail units come out of both versions, its not going to be pretty.
20. Snap123 (Posts: 33; Member since: 04 Nov 2011)
Lol you make it sound like the Exynos is going to be sooooo much better than the S4. Offscreen it will but thats about it. And how many people actually have a TV with 120Hz or higher. Well actually how many people actually uses their phone offscreen to play games cause thats the main benefit of a better gpu. Lol I guess very few.
22. Snap123 (Posts: 33; Member since: 04 Nov 2011)
lol those arent cheap im jealous can you buy me one
29. tedkord (Posts: 9869; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Mine, too. But honestly, can't really tell the diff from 120hz. Many TVs are 120hz and up these days.
33. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5710; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
i don't think they're set to their highest refresh rate by default. look for some kind of gaming setting and i'm sure that'll crank it up.
39. tedkord (Posts: 9869; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
King, its set to 240Hz. Believe me, I have tinkered to get the most out of it. I'm very happy with it, but there's just not a really noticable difference between 120Hz and 240Hz to the human eye. Maybe on really fast full of action scenes.
53. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5710; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
well it looks better to me when i'm playing Xbox on it. o:
31. dsDoan (Posts: 229; Member since: 28 Dec 2011)
I don't know anyone who has a 60 Hz TV these days. That's old-school technology. I'm a broke college student and my TV is 240 Hz.
Any decent mid-range TV has 120 Hz minimum.
32. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5710; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
you're a step out of phase there fella, 60Hz is average, 120Hz is high-end and 240Hz is the rare super variety.
36. dsDoan (Posts: 229; Member since: 28 Dec 2011)
120 Hz is, by no means, high-end. 120 Hz is mid-range. 240 Hz is low-high-end (or high-mid, depending on how you look at it), but not rare. If Wal-Mart sells it (which they do), it's not rare. And excluding plasmas, 480 Hz can be considered high-end.
About 6 months ago I helped my grandmother pick out a TV at Wal-Mart. The best TV there, for her budget, was a 46" Sony Bravia @ 120 Hz for $598. While this is a very well-received TV, it is a far stretch from high-end.
I just checked my TV (XVT3D474SV). Turns out it's 480 Hz when viewing 3D ^_^. I bought it at Walmart a year and a half ago for $830.
51. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5710; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
well i never look at 3D. i hate 3D so i never see 480Hz.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sony-46-KDL-46EX500/13422990 you mean this one? what did you do? get a Black Friday Deal or something? xD
54. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
u can get 240hz at walmart now man :) 120 is the new minimum, anything less and your paying bargain bin pricing.
personally, im waiting for OLED to come down in price. I have a great 55 inch now.. a 70 inch OLED 3D would be a nice replacement :)
56. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5710; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
well apparently i'm out of the loop when it comes to televisions. xD oh well, doesn't really matter to me. my 240Hz one does me just fine and i have an Xbox and dislike 3D so none of these new, fancy pants models really offer anything compelling for me.
60. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i wouldnt even be looking at a new TV had my wife not accidentally broken my HDMI ports.. grr..
38. tedkord (Posts: 9869; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
I think the little 26" I put in my son's room is 60Hz, but it is 1080p, which is probably overkill on such a small screen. (I say little, but then I remember that the tv I had when I was a kid was 13" and black & white. And had a rabbit ear on top, and boy like 5 channels. Remember when you had to adjust the UHF channels to get them in exactly, and the vertical would skip every channel and you'd have to adjust it?)
44. dsDoan (Posts: 229; Member since: 28 Dec 2011)
I'm 26, and I had a 13" black & white CRT when I was a kid. No remote and it only supported 13 channels. To change the channel was a dial, and to turn it I had to use the volume knob and turn it all the way down, and then click it to the left.
I'm not sure if technology is just evolving so quickly.. or I grew up a poor and technologically-deprived child.
66. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
my daughter got a 32 inch flatscreen and DVD player in her room when she turned 2. lol. She has more movies than I do at this point.. its crazy.
Growing up with those expensive ol turn dial TV's and what the "cheap" tv i give to my daughter... is a funny comparison.
42. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the offscreen tests are to show the true horsepower of the chip.
The benefits come in longevity. As games and apps get more advanced with time, the stronger GPU is going to be able to keep up with those advances where the weaker GPU is going to start to get laggy or even be unsupported.
Your buying a phone for probably 2 years. wouldnt you like it to still be able to play everything 2 years from now?
49. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
well, i doubt that mali400 will be able to do that.
look at N.O.V.A. 3 game..it already reached the PS3 levels..in fact it has the PowerVR SGX543MP2 (iphone 4S) pushed to it's full potential.
now imagine high end games in 2 years. you'll need a next generation phone GPU's to run them properly
52. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5710; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
this Mali that's been pushed to it's limits can match the SGX543(MP2) if the game is at PS3 levels like you say it is and we're all still quite satisfied with our gaming consoles then why does it need to go any further any time soon? game companies can finally start to work on the quality of the game play mechanics and other such things instead of focusing on pushing the best GPU out there. i want to see Valve make some Mobile Games.
57. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
eventually, its going to get to a point like it is now where the horsepower is still skyrocketing, but its not so much as the graphix but what they can use that horsepower for in other realms.. like AI or physics, and that kind of stuff. There really isnt a need to get above the ps3/360 levels of gaming on these small handhelds, we will never see the graphical difference past a certain point.. But advanced AI and being able to push other things while making it look pretty is always appreciated.
The adreno 225 is a piss poor GPU. Its a little above the Adreno 220 in the S3 which was the worst of the 2011 chips. Snapdragon wont be a real competitor in the GPU space until the 300 series start launching with the S4 Pro.
The kicker is, i have a feeling that Qualcomm is going to pull a samsung and say that those chips are for tablets only. Just a hunch, but I'd bet money on it.
7. pslayer89 (Posts: 2; Member since: 12 May 2012)
I hope T-Mobile comes out with the Exynos Processor version of SGS3.
8. rockstarlive (Posts: 307; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Droid Charge 2. I could picture it being droided.
14. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5710; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
it's a possibility but i think it would be kind of hard to make a hardcore Droid style device out of something that's supposed to be one with Nature.
16. Snap123 (Posts: 33; Member since: 04 Nov 2011)
Everytime a bencemark comes out theres like a war between CPU fanboys.
Both the Exynos 4 quad and Snapdragon S4 are good chips.
Most smartphone have the screen framerate capped at 60fps.
Even if a Exynos 4 quad has a better gpu you will never notice it unless you connect the smartphone to a TV that has a refresh rate of 120Hz or higher.
The most popular TV that people have are the ones with 60Hz refresh rate.
If you will never use your smartphone to connect it to a tv to get a better framerate there is no reason for you to care about any benchmark higher than 60fps.
If you compare bencemark between the Exynos 4 quad and Snapdragon S4 on Anandtech for the GPU offscreen bencemark the Exynos is great and easily beats everything.
19. androidornothing (Posts: 143; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)
This is so gooooooood. If S4 beats Exynos than there is no need to worry about dual.or quad cores.
24. Alfred03 (Posts: 5; Member since: 12 May 2012)
@cGmC11...Hi! Don't make me laugh! Did U the test? However U can watch a browser test between HTC One X and the SGSII...the SGSII flavored with ICS is more fast than the One X...simple and easy. Greetings! ;-)
25. Alfred03 (Posts: 5; Member since: 12 May 2012)
@cGmC11...U can watch the video in Youtube...greetings! ;-)
28. tariqinifinityblade (Posts: 9; Member since: 01 Apr 2012)
mali 400 mp4 and andreno 225 still can't match the powervr sgx543mp2 found on ipad 2 and iphone 4s, powervr sgx543mp4 on the new ipad is the current gpu king correct me if i'm wrong.
35. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5710; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
i believe the Mali 400 @ 400MHz actually can beat the SGX543(MP2) in the 4S but not by too much. it certainly does beat the Adreno 225 though. you can bet your ass that the SGX543(MP4) beats them all.
30. joey18 (Posts: 589; Member since: 20 Jul 2010)
I hope the new share plans go more cheap verizon are over price so my contract expire last month i'm thinkung to move tmobile w the gs3