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Verizon speeding up process to have LTE in place by early 2010
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1. The Doc (Posts: 122; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
Imagine running an iPhone, a laptop, and XboxLive through a MIFI on LTE... OMG!!!
2. Quemical (Posts: 162; Member since: 14 Jul 2009)
Yeah I can imagine a $5,000 bill when I blow through 5 gigs in about 10 minutes.
3. JDubreno005 (Posts: 25; Member since: 07 Jan 2009)
Quemical you are a baffoon! Verizon is going to obviously remove the 5GB limit (see the above 60 Mbps) lift the rate to 99.99 for unlimited is the rumor
4. Quemical (Posts: 162; Member since: 14 Jul 2009)
Its buffoon. Get your medieval insults right sir. Vzw isnt obviously going to do anything, you really think they will just throw away such a cash cow? Im sure it will be to "protect the network".
5. Striker13084 (Posts: 128; Member since: 30 Mar 2009)
I agree! The only reason for the 5Gb limit is due to network traffic to keep the speed up. With a bandwidth that LTE is going to deliver the limits will be a thing of the past!
10. The Doc (Posts: 122; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
Obviously it would be in the best interest for the company to remove the 5GB plan. Whether there is still an allowance, only time will tell. But, you must admit, once LTE officially rolls out and the iPhone comes to VZW, what else could anyone possibly want in a service? The LG Shine!? Mifi w/LTE FTW!!!
21. sinfulta (Posts: 272; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
Rumor mill for LTE is there will be a $99.99/mo Unlimited plan similar to how all the carriers did when 3G first launched. After a while pricing structure from friends that work at different cellular is ATT/VZW plans to offer 3 plans after the Unlimited promo or within conjunction. $39.99/mo 1gig $59.99/mo 10gig $119.99/mo 50gig With an unlimited promotion thrown in there to attract buyers initially.
22. lolipopjones (Posts: 51; Member since: 21 Jun 2009)
VzW has not made any decisions on their pricing. Infact, from all the training and current price plan training for its employees VzW does not plan to remove the 5 gig cap. LTE for VzW is going to be their Data Network unlike AT&T who will be using LTE for both voice and data. This is why AT&T is still going to upgrade their 3G. LTE is going to take a long time for the conversion and when launch comes will be as limited as Wimax is now for Sprint. What will piss off VzW customers is every device for VzW will be CDMA/LTE Devices.... Meaning AT&T customers will be able to get full LTE devices while VzW customers will either have to buy "gateway" devices or buy CDMA devices.. If you honestly think that VzW will launch LTE capable devices with the launch of LTE think again.... EVDO Rev A has been out for a LONG TIME and they don't have many devices that can use it. On the other hand AT&T has far more 3G devices...
27. tshow84 (Posts: 65; Member since: 11 Jun 2009)
perhaps people should NOT just post what they think will happen. talking to our data rep (i work for verizon), the price for data won't go up, the cap will be removed and although they are going to release cdma/lte devices, the higher end devices at least, will have lte only. as well, you might think that verizon has little rev A devices, but the truth is that the devices that have Rev A are pda's and high end dumb phones. otherwise, what do you need rev A for when you're not going on the internet? it's not like it gives you better reception...
29. Kiltlifter (Posts: 742; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
tshow.... does your data rep make 6 figures? i highly doubt it... he knows nothing about what will happen, he has no say in pricing or network, and his power within VZW is laughable at best. No one that's posts anything on here, or no one who "knows" some one on the "inside" knows anything about what AT&T or VZW are thinking... you are not important, your data rep is not important, and all you can do is speculate at best what you "think" (or mindlessly believe) will happen. I pay 65.00/month for 20mbps thru Cox... why would vzw allow 60mbps for 59.99.... that is stupid... 100.00/month is much more reasonable... but then again, it is still a wireless technology, completely unlocking data caps with speeds that high is asking for a network jam... stupid teenagers running bittorrent applications 24/7 doing tbs of data/month will clog the network and block speeds for others... a plan of 50-100gb is much more reasonable.
30. Quemical (Posts: 162; Member since: 14 Jul 2009)
Tshow you work for Verizon?? Holy shit! You must have information noone else has! (thats what you wanted to hear right?)
33. jc2534 (Posts: 1; Member since: 26 Jul 2009)
You have to be kidding with this comment right? How can you say that AT&T has far more 3G devices when their entire network isn't even 3G? The entire Big Red Network is 3G with the exception of BFE locales. VZW never releases an updated anything without having devices prepared to go on it. If anything they have them ready first, and tell you to wait on the network to come!
36. The Spartan (Posts: 98; Member since: 27 Jan 2009)
"This is why AT&T is still going to upgrade their 3G. LTE is going to take a long time for the conversion and when launch comes will be as limited as Wimax is now for Sprint. What will piss off VzW customers is every device for VzW will be CDMA/LTE Devices.... Meaning AT&T customers will be able to get full LTE devices while VzW customers will either have to buy "gateway" devices or buy CDMA devices" Yeah, we all know AT&T is still going to upgrade their 3g. And we all know (or maybe all of us but you) know that AT&T has all ready stated that they should have LTE going up by 2014. Wait, what??? 2014? Test markets by end of the year according to VZW. And you think by the time AT&T gets their LTE up and running VZW will still just have "gateway devices?" Do yourself a favor. Stop. Please...just stop. Yes, I know I'm an asshole. You don't need to tell me. :p
12. Dood (Posts: 269; Member since: 23 Mar 2009)
Keep in mind that the information in this article is not official. Razr with an actual razor FTW!!!
14. souleater93 (Posts: 86; Member since: 20 Mar 2009)
Verizon shouldn't hurry to be the first one with LTE in the U.S. especially if the technology is not from Vodafone. They've already got other issues that they aren't fixing like their mobile web service and texts from all other carriers. LTE uses sim cards and has a different bandwidth than 3G CDMA/GSM so my question for Verizon is will our phones that aren't LTE compatible work without losing some of our current service? Personally i think Vodafone should just buy the rest of Verizon.
15. WKlingbeil (Posts: 215; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)
I second that last sentence for sure, God knows Verizon Communications is a sinking ship... Home telephone service FTW!!!
19. merkeke (Posts: 62; Member since: 03 Jan 2009)
souleater93. Verizon doesn't have issues with text messages. all carriers use a 3rd party sybase mobile 360 to get the text messages delivered. If someone does a port in that's why the text messages may not work for 72 hours. the number has to be loaded back into mobile 360 with the correct carrier. (you still receive text messages on the old carriers phone)... just want to clarify that.
24. Miacol (Posts: 40; Member since: 10 Oct 2008)
merkeke, I think he's referring to the issues that VZW users don't always get text messages from other carrier's at the proper time. It's been an ongoing issue for some people, though I think they have cleaned up the issue, because I have not heard about it anymore. Though the people I know that have VZW are few and far apart.
25. Miacol (Posts: 40; Member since: 10 Oct 2008)
soulearter93, You forgot to mention that VZW will continue to have the problem they have today which is CDMA network like Verizon is a single use only network. What I mean by this is that Internet access only works if you are not on a call. So implementing a Tablet that only uses LTE makes sense because Apple doesn't have to worry about voice calls, but with LTE not being everywhere (in the USA or abroad) why would they limit their market to LTE/EVDO and not use LTE/3G? I'm not sure if Apple is truely seeing VZW as a viable machine for them because they would have to create a machine with LTE/EVDO/3G which makes the device heavier and thicker. Though just me thinking aloud, you know how the VZW fanboys on here get.
26. lolipopjones (Posts: 51; Member since: 21 Jun 2009)
LTE for the first 3 years is only going to be available to Data Cards. The average consumer won't see its use for a while. LTE is bragging rights but you are correct Miacol. Verizon will not have simo voice and data due to their network being partition in such a way. The other point is LTE is backwards compatible with GSM meaning Apple can offer VzW an LTE based device because the LTE chipset will recognize 3g Bandwidths. However we still may not see a phone on VzW's network because all of them will need to be LTE/CDMA chipsets..... versus all GSM carrier will just need straight LTE devices.
34. sinfulta (Posts: 272; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
GSM Carriers do not need just straight LTE. LTE like UMTS is completely separate. You might want to understand what your talking about before you make posts on here and then it confuses people. The reason ATT can use internet and voice at the same time is because UMTS = HSPA/HSPDA etc. RUNS separately. It does not run on a GSM chipset, the GSM in the phone activates the phone and tells Edge/3G that's ok to use that network and bills it correctly. CDMA does not work that way, Single tower can do both 1X and EVDO/RevA. I'll even wiki it for you so you can read for yourself: Read the second paragraph:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U
niversal_Mobile_TelecommunicatLTE takes things BASED (does not use GSM at all accept for activation to where to bill) on GSM and CDMA technology. GSM structure for on the way the packet data is sent. While benefiting the way spread spectrum works for CDMA. The main competitor to UMTS is CDMA2000 (IMT-MC), which is developed by the 3GPP2. Unlike UMTS, CDMA2000 is an evolutionary upgrade to an existing 2G standard, cdmaOne, and is able to operate within the same frequency allocations. This and CDMA2000's narrower bandwidth requirements make it easier to deploy in existing spectra. In some, but not all, cases, existing GSM operators only have enough spectrum to implement either UMTS or GSM, not both. For example, in the US D, E, and F PCS spectrum blocks, the amount of spectrum available is 5 MHz in each direction. A standard UMTS system would saturate that spectrum. Where CDMA2000 is deployed, it usually co-exists with UMTS. In many markets however, the co-existence issue is of little relevance, as legislative hurdles exist to co-deploying two standards in the same licensed slice of spectrum. PHONES INCLUDING GSM will have 3 Radios: Example: ATT Radio 1: GSM Radio 2: UMTS aka HSPA-3G (HSPDA/HSPDA+ aka 3.5G) Radio 3: LTE (Nothing to do with other radios as it is NOT GSM or CDMA) Example: VZW Radio 1: CDMA2000 aka CDMA 1XRTT Radio 2: EVDO/RevA -3G (Verizon/Sprint have decided to skip 3.5G of Rev. B and Rev. C upgrades) Radio 3: LTE (Nothing to do with other radios as it is NOT GSM or CDMA) I work for a chipset manufacturer and deal with this day in and day out. So people please STOP saying it's going to be this or that. That's what it is. Anyone can do an quick internet search and see what I'm talking about is true. So why say something and post on here that's not true if your not sure? I don't understand this site sometimes. ions_System
37. The Spartan (Posts: 98; Member since: 27 Jan 2009)
Sinfulta: You sir are a pro. Bravo man, bravo!
17. VSS_55 (Posts: 43; Member since: 05 Jul 2009)
damn. the landline carriers may have to do some speed boosts to compete with wireless... LOL! as long as the bandwidth cap is removed or raised considerably i might just get a aircard and run everything on it. hah.
18. souleater93 (Posts: 86; Member since: 20 Mar 2009)
actually they are always ahead of them by a few years. i learned it in a high school program at ASU that taught only cellphone technology for a semester.
20. sinfulta (Posts: 272; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
Correct. Comcast in my area already offers 50mb service. I have had there blast services with was 16mb for about 2 years now. So cellular will still be slower, but website's haven't had such a demanding jump in the last couple years. So it will still be fast for all of us.
23. VSS_55 (Posts: 43; Member since: 05 Jul 2009)
hmmm, probably havent noticed it much since i just have basic internet. Still with such a massive jump in speed there gonna have to offer faster basic services or i do see them loosing alot of buisness.
32. Kiltlifter (Posts: 742; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
Yeah... landline providers can provide 100 mbps if they wanted to... but why bother unlocking that speed when everyone is content paying a higher prices for a normal speed. I highly doubt that anyone will release LTE at it's capacity... i bet 5-10mbps at start.. but that is just my speculation. NOT BASED ON MY DATA REPS INSIDE INFO... BECAUSE I AM SOOOOO COOOL
31. Phullofphil (Posts: 801; Member since: 10 Feb 2009)
they will do what ever is necessary to compete. If they can get away with it they will. Its business. Depending on what the market will alow i would guess pricing to go up wit everything else but offer more as the technology becomes easioer to make build and maintain just l,ike any thing else.
35. WKlingbeil (Posts: 215; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)
Also, #22 & #26 (same poster) seems to think that the LTE/CDMA phones will be a permanent arrangement, which is highly incorrect. Just as the analog network did, the CDMA network will meet its end with VZW. It may take many years, but after about 5 years, they will be using LTE for both networks, and will have devices that will have only LTE support. They'll retire CDMA as they did with the analog network, because it's so extremely expensive to have to operate 2 different networks at one time. They'll most likely even have LTE only devices after 2-3 years, that's just my estimate, so don't quote me on it, but that's my anticipation.
Verizon speeding up process to have LTE in place by early 2010