Verizon says "No" to the Palm Pre?
0. phoneArena 24 Sep 2009, 15:58 posted on
According to The Street.com, Big Red has decided not to offer the Palm Pre , say people close to the discussions...
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1. 22ADin09 (Posts: 38; Member since: 24 Jul 2009)
now if this is true, i feel that a lot of verizon customers (a vast majority of the people who come into my store) should probably be kicking themselves now....or jumping ship? if its true...
30. Arielnyc2006 (unregistered)
The Pre is not that amazing that somebody should jump ship. And jump ship to where? ATT? (Shudders)
41. theman414 (Posts: 132; Member since: 08 Jun 2009)
That is why I paid my termination fee. I got tired of waiting for good phones. Couldn't be happier with the iPhone!
46. TheEclectic (Posts: 77; Member since: 23 Sep 2009)
I really hope this isn't true. I've been holding on to Verizon on a thread for this phone. I'm still carrying around my Treo 700w waiting for a great phone. When the Storm didn't pan out and then when the Touch and Touch Pro took months to come out I was just about ready to hop onto the iPhone or and Android-based phone. WebOS and the possibility of VZW getting the Pre was one of the few reasons I've stuck it out. The OS is such that it gives it so much potential as far as applications go. The fact is that Window Mobile OS is just eons behind the competition and as much as HTC tries, they will never be able to overcome WM's shortcomings.
2. BigRed83 (Posts: 144; Member since: 19 May 2008)
With the issues this thing has had? No thank you. Just read archive news reports on this site. I wouldn't buy it, glad I don't have to support it.
23. smkingun (Posts: 3; Member since: 11 Jan 2009)
I own a Pre. Bought it launch day. I have had no issues. A percentage of all devices have some problems. I have to use a BlackBerry for work and it is not a problem free device. Sometimes the ringer stops working. It won't make any sound whatsoever. My prior model had a lot of trackball problems. I had an iPhone before those. It wouldn't ring period. I would get a notice though when I got a voicemail. Humans make devices and gadgets. Humans are flawed. Therefore gadgets are flawed. Closing note: I still really, really like the Pre. I use it everyday, all day long. It has been a very good purchase.
44. DJBASS (Posts: 11; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)
I agree some phones i have had for years my children, girlfriend, and close friends and they have no problems but some people say THEY have problems with all THEIR phones!!! WOW ask yourself what are you dong with your phone and why does no phone work for you?
3. KingOfPhones (Posts: 41; Member since: 04 May 2008)
wow VZW so stupid I hope this isnt true...
4. WKlingbeil (Posts: 215; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)
If this is true, it will probably have the same ramifications the decision to not sell the iPhone had. Maybe not quite so severe, but if VZW truly thinks the Sholes or the Storm 2 are strong enough to out-sell the Pre, they are truly delusional. VZW borderlines arrogance when it comes to "network superiority," and is kind of behind in realizing that a strong network doesn't hold half the weight it used to, given the rise of text messaging. You don't need anywhere near the network strength for text messages as you do for voice calls. It's rather silly though for VZW to almost completely dismiss devices in lieu of network strength. Why can't they have both? Wouldn't it be the smart move to have the best network AND the best devices? Instead of, "Well, we continue to rely on our most reliable network platform. A device is only as good as the network it's on." Except it's not, because devices are about more than making/receiving calls now, and granted, that does heavily affect data services as well, but it's as if VZW doesn't want to recognize device importance. As a temporary employee, I can see it from the inside, and there are so many obvious flaws to this line of thinking. Now fanboys (VZW or other), nobody cares to hear your biased opinion, subjectiveness is not wanted, objectiveness is appreciated. VZW is not as perfect as you think, nor are they as horrific as you others think.
33. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
I agree with everything you said. Especially the part about how it's not just about making/receiving calls anymore. It's still a major factor but I don't think Verizon realizes that service is not the only thing that people care about anymore. I really liked their service but gated how it felt like every single phone I bought was the same.
5. hmcougar09 (Posts: 137; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
If this is true, I am definitely switching to the Palm Pre on Sprint's network. As much as I hate Sprint, and adore Verizon... this is just ridiculous. Verizon always turns down the good phones, er the other way around... I am only switching to Sprint for this phone. It just stinks that VZW might not get it.
6. WKlingbeil (Posts: 215; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)
Be sure this claim is substantiated before making your decision of course. You know how journalists' statements can be taken with that salt shaker over there.
8. Kiltlifter (Posts: 742; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
I have seen hacker forums of people getting the PRE to work for VZW. If you love vzw that much try playing the hacking game and unlock it for vzw. but you will have to research taht on your own.
9. phone333 (Posts: 331; Member since: 04 Feb 2009)
-Actually hmcougar09 I don't know how long ago you had Sprint, but the switch might work for you depending of where you live. I use to have AT&T and now Sprint and there's a huge difference in coverage. AT&T is terrible where i live, so make sure you check your coverage. Sprint has a "bad customer service" reputation that follows them, even if it's OK now. Plus with "Any mobile anytime"...nuff said !
14. BrokenImaege (Posts: 173; Member since: 27 Jul 2009)
There are two Palm Sku's in our system. We are getting two palms. Hold your horses before you start jumping. It doesn't say when they are coming but if it is there, it would take a lot for us to reject it at that point.
7. kvenderley (Posts: 31; Member since: 09 Aug 2009)
who cares, the palm pre is way overrated, it almost sucks. i would take the storm 2, htc imagio, o2, tp2 and sholes over the pre. i think the pre is a peice of crap. the only good think about the phone is the OS. thats it! you all are delusinal for wanting this phone.
10. WKlingbeil (Posts: 215; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)
Just like the iPhone is overrated? I'm not arguing saying you're incorrect, because you probably aren't, I've never played with the Pre personally. I don't want it myself, but what I do know is that VZW is turning down guaranteed customers, just like they did with the iPhone. I hate the iPhone and everything that goes along with it, especially the people that think their iPhone is that great. But there's no doubt in my mind that VZW would've benefited VASTLY by getting the iPhone, and I'm not getting into the did they/didn't they argument about turning the iPhone down.
13. crd22 (Posts: 77; Member since: 15 Apr 2008)
I agree WKlingbeil. The only reason I want VZW to get the iPhone and/or Pre is so that they get more customers; therefore (hopefully) lowering their pricing, and upgrading their network even more, which is already great.
16. IcanBEATali (Posts: 29; Member since: 24 Sep 2009)
muhahhahhaahaha.... it almost sucks? you arent biased or anything are you?
11. allboutverizon (Posts: 66; Member since: 20 May 2009)
I swear I wonder about the editors on Phone Arena, I remember the original article about Verizon and the Palm Pre. Verizon never said they were going to carry the Palm Pre. Phone arena completely changed their word's Verizon said they would offer "Palm Pre Like Devices", that does not mean they are going to carry the Palm Pre.
12. knuckleballer34 (Posts: 119; Member since: 27 Jul 2009)
Agreed, sometimes I think they hear what they want to hear with these posts.
15. rhomaion (Posts: 187; Member since: 23 Sep 2009)
Phone Arena is good at that... That is making things seem different than what they really are...
17. WKlingbeil (Posts: 215; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)
Well, Dan Hesse heard the same thing, so PA wasn't alone in hearing that.
24. allboutverizon (Posts: 66; Member since: 20 May 2009)
This isn't the first time Phone Arena reported this incorrectly Dan Hasse heard the drama in the internet world and responded based on Hype and fear That someone else was getting Sprints Pride and Joy. Lord knows Sprint needs every and any phone available So Dan Hesse heard it from the same source as everyone else, "Internet Hype". I more so wish people would do their own research rather than just believing what one reads. I double check everything just to check if it's true or not. I like phonearena don't get me wrong, I just wish the information was better researched, before it was posted.
18. Mateo8326 (Posts: 472; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)
There a lot of stuff that goes in to play why companies wont carry certain phones, i think verizon would loss more money on the device then gaining profit with this palm honestly b/c the storm 2 will be coming out and is well anticipating so why upgrade to the palm pre get stuck in a two year contract and months later the strom 2 comes out and you'll be kicking yourself
19. vzwfann15 (Posts: 16; Member since: 10 Jun 2009)
Big letdown Verizon. And I completely agree, for verizon's superior network, you'd think that they would offer THE best phones, not cheap knock offs
21. vzw fanman (Posts: 1975; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
well i don't like palm products anyway. storm 2 FTW! :-)
22. VZWEMPLOYEE (Posts: 34; Member since: 13 Jun 2009)
Article is false we have the palm pre testing on our network just fine. We have Lowell down in Dover for the race this weekend with the Pre and the storm 2. Got to love the haters
26. krochisy (Posts: 8; Member since: 24 Sep 2009)
I really hope you are right I've been waiting for the pre and I am already able to get an upgrade but I've been holding up for this cell, otherwise I will consider changing carrier, eventhough I have been a VZW customer for over 6 years.
27. kjack628 (Posts: 49; Member since: 19 Jul 2009)
Any word on the omnia II and it's new design and specs??..oh yea tell Vzw to lower there ridiculiously high price data plans $29.99 gesh in this economy more like $9.99!!
29. lolipopjones (Posts: 51; Member since: 21 Jun 2009)
"VZEMPLOYEE"..... If you work for VzW then you know we aren't getting the following devices... Pre and Sholes... VzW has been waging a disinformation campaign to keep customers from switching. How many times have DM's been informing their employees to tell the customers that we are getting an iPhone this october? Keep lying to your "customers"...
31. WKlingbeil (Posts: 215; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)
You do realize that everyone but Sprint's data plans are that high, don't you? T-Mobile is $5 less, but if you get an employee discount on your account, you get your discount off of the data plan too. So if your discount is 20%, that's $6 off of $29.99, so that makes it $23.99. And how is this economy bad if you have a job? What is it that has made it so hard on you if you are still making the same amount of money at the same job? That whole economy complaint is so ridiculous, because if you have a job, NOTHING has changed. Also, I assure you that $9.99 is not enough to maintain an advanced device data network, things take money to uphold, VZW isn't just this money tree that builds towers and pays people nothing and keeps all the money you pay them.
39. VZWfangirl (Posts: 71; Member since: 25 Jul 2009)
Wow you are idiot, considering I know someone with the Sholes in hand. This guy is a big ass liar. I'll be sure to come back to your post on the next Motorola event Oct 6hth. Dumbass
40. VZWfangirl (Posts: 71; Member since: 25 Jul 2009)
Wow you are idiot, considering I know someone with the Sholes in hand. This guy is a big ass liar. I'll be sure to come back to your post on the next Motorola event Oct 6hth. Dumbass. Sorry WKlingbeil that comment wasn't for you
51. dubracer223 (Posts: 46; Member since: 16 Mar 2009)
they must have one crooked assed DM then if you guys are saying that?!?
25. jherz6 (Posts: 216; Member since: 23 May 2008)
Oh pa leaze, people leave a service provider because they wont carry a phone. I don't think SO You have no clue about the market and what it will or wont do. To me the palm is a lame device and always has been, and If VZW or any other company isn't going to carry a device there are I'm sure some underling reason's.
35. phone333 (Posts: 331; Member since: 04 Feb 2009)
Do some people leave a carrier because they won't carry a certain device? mmmmh how about YEAH!! seen it happen with my own eyes. Simple example tons of people switch to AT&T to get the iphone even though their previous carrier had perfect Service/coverage/plans prices.
53. jherz6 (Posts: 216; Member since: 23 May 2008)
Perhaps, with iphone your right however they equeal a lot of unhappy people they did switch .
28. tuminatr (Posts: 772; Member since: 23 Feb 2009)
I bet its something simple like they are getting the pre2
32. phone333 (Posts: 331; Member since: 04 Feb 2009)
Funny how some people would kept saying they're waiting for VZ to get the Pre and now it all " We never cared for that phone anyway".
34. bokfu74 (Posts: 10; Member since: 12 Feb 2009)
I wish the carriers would form football teams so you idiot fanboys (if you feel offended then you're one of them) could argue in a different forum. This is supposed to be a phone forum not a "my carrier can kick your carriers butt" forum. Juvenile. I'm just about sick of this party.
38. WKlingbeil (Posts: 215; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)
I think a hockey team would be more fun.
49. vzw fanman (Posts: 1975; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
actually bro. this isn't a forum. all we are doing is writing comments about a news article. the forums are in another part of this site. HOCKEY FTW. NEW JERSEY DEVILS.
37. HowLowCanYaGo (Posts: 4; Member since: 16 Sep 2009)
Remember, Verizon was approached by Apple to sell the iPhone initially, they turned that down. No big surprise here. Palm will be OK as long as other carriers support them.
42. prettyboy1974 (Posts: 56; Member since: 16 Mar 2009)
This is one more time that Verizon shows that it truly either has no clue or doesn't care what people want. Who cares if the Pre is good or bad the fact is Verizon should welcome the chance to have another groundbreaking phone in their midst. I personally could care less about a Pre but that's not the point. Verizon believes they can keep pushing this "We have the best network" stuff down our throat and that will be good enough(by the way I am a Verizon customer). How long Verizon, how long do you want me to back you up when you make dumb choice after dumb choice, and as far as the Sholes goes I would never bet on Motorola for my salvation. Not only did Sprint get the Pre, they have the TP2, they are getting the TD2 and they have the Hero. This is a company that is listed as one of the top 10 businesses to go bankrupt. WTF Verizon, wake the hell up would you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
45. whitman5115 (Posts: 28; Member since: 27 Jan 2009)
Verizon has the TP2, TD2 is call the Whitestone due out in october, and the storm 2 and motorola sholes. After Thanksgiving, the playing field will be a little more even. You will see.
48. WKlingbeil (Posts: 215; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)
I mean, aside from Android, the Sholes is nothing, it's Motorola. The last successful product they had was the Startac phones. Everyone has the TP2, will have the TD2, and the Storm 2? I'm pretty sure excitement won't be that much for it, given the lackluster arrival of the original. VZW spends way too many resources on sequels, and we all know what they say about sequels... That they're the same thing with a little different flavor. It's not a bad lineup, however, what if you added names like the Pre to it? Or even the iPhone? Imagine at this point if VZW had gotten the iPhone originally, and then accepted the Pre. Do you realize what VZW's lineup could've been? Right now, it would be TP2, TD2, they may not have introduced the Storm, Sholes, Pre, and who knows what else.
50. vzw fanman (Posts: 1975; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
i didn't like the startac phones, the antenna kept breaking :-(
57. WKlingbeil (Posts: 215; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)
Haha, now, I never said they were perfect. It is Motorola after all, haha.
52. VZWfangirl (Posts: 71; Member since: 25 Jul 2009)
Rumor is false people. http://www.boygeniusreport.com
55. killingthemonk (Posts: 52; Member since: 19 Feb 2009)
Comparison: Storm: global Pre: not Storm: edits email attachments Pre: doesn't Storm: records video Pre: doesn't Storm: has expandable memory Pre: doesn't Storm: has voice dialing Pre: doesn't Storm: has visual voicemail Pre: doesn't Storm: can be used to tether Pre: can't(another iphone situation?) Storm: hundreds of apps Pre: only 12 at launch Storm: And of course the Network Pre: on the Notwork Oh, and look, the Storm 2 is releasing
58. WKlingbeil (Posts: 215; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)
Well, clearly there's nothing wrong with the Storm then.. Oh, except: Storm: Return rate at launch - nearly 50% Pre: Return rate at launch - less than 20% So... Before you go and think the Storm is the greatest phone out, let's keep that in mind. After all, the most important number is sales & return rate, not all of these features you cite, because they clearly weren't enough to make people want to keep it.
59. vzw fanman (Posts: 1975; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
yes but that was at launch. the storm has been and is much better now. :-).
60. killingthemonk (Posts: 52; Member since: 19 Feb 2009)
I'll give you the return rate at launch was high. RIM dropped the ball on getting the device ready for release, but as fanman states; Storm then vs. Storm now are two different devices, and we also have the Tour out now. Also, Storm 2 shortly.
56. DonLouie (Posts: 594; Member since: 22 Dec 2008)
I always did want vzw to get it but just so Sprint could get the Storm. Will the stoopid get what you pay for motto still stand?