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1. LPFE42 (unregistered)
Then turn on SOME 3G in Clarksburg WV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. vzw fanman (Posts: 1973; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
whenever i go through wv on my way to florida i always get extended network.
41. Kiltlifter (Posts: 742; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
You are ignorant. VZW prides itself on having coverage everywhere and is the newest point of their marketing campaign. These people have the right to post their complaints. VZW can provide 3g wireless internet to places that people cannot even get landline phone services. VZW spends more on their network than anyone 5-6 billion/year for the past 6 years. Why isn't it there yet is the better question. But I would talk to your local congressmen/women as many times VZW cannot build towers becuase of stupid legislature that prevents then licensing rights as they are exclusive with local companies or Indian reservations.
47. Illyich (Posts: 167; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)
Er... actually, AT&T has spent some 18 billion dollars on their network since last year.
50. Man_of_God (Posts: 32; Member since: 27 Jan 2009)
I appreciate your comment. I think as a VZW employee you have somewhat of a limited view of your competitors. http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-12261_7-10371298-10356022.html Your biggest competitor spent over 20 billion last year according to their annual review. Also, is it stupid for Native Anericans to not want a cell tower on or near their property???? Other companies provide 3G wireless to rural areas as well. (even Cricket does that now)
59. Kiltlifter (Posts: 742; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
Subsidizing Apple for the low price of the iPhone doesn't count as investing in your network.
60. Kiltlifter (Posts: 742; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
But kdding aside, I am glad AT&T is fixing their network becuase then it means VZW will move to make sure they stay ahead. But on another note, if the executives were intelligent they would have been able to forsee the problem and there would have been an appropriate time-line where they could have spent, Just like vzw, 5-7 billion/year for the past few years rather than dumping 18 million in one year. What is the total dollar amount AT&T has invested into their network since 2002? VZW has done over 50 billion since they started in 2001 after the mergers. I would like to know the total before you jump down my throat.
61. Man_of_God (Posts: 32; Member since: 27 Jan 2009)
You obviously have been getting your info from the VZW marketing / communications team. I found the info via ATT's annual report. I am sure that is public information if you research it. I'll throw this out there for you. CDMA requires less towers than GSM to cover the same area. Both networks are robust. Take the cost of leased lines running to each tower, power, and land agreements for all of those towers and you get an idea of some of the cost both spend.
3. CHEFJEFF (Posts: 143; Member since: 22 Sep 2009)
If Verizon ever gets hold of the Iphone, what's gonna happen to poor AT&T? They will probably lose about 50% of their customers because the Iphone will finally work well on a better network.
4. artz1986 (Posts: 453; Member since: 11 Mar 2009)
...or not, thank's to V-CAST Music w/ Rhapsody
5. Trobes05 (Posts: 106; Member since: 01 Aug 2009)
It's sad how you got a -1 for saying something so true, Chefjeff
6. Iphoneisthesuck (Posts: 59; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)
Lets think about this a moment. Lets just say that 2-3 million people move back to Verizon from ATT just to get an iphone that "will work". Dont you think that the increase in people will affect the network. I sure do, because Ive seen it happen...first hand. Big Red in the Big Apple will be a Big Drop Call area...just like it was with ATT. Its called network congestion and there is no way around it. The iphone is a network hog...thats why ATT is having the problems now. No network is perfect, ATT, Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile.....none of the are perfect.
7. DOGIEFRESH (Posts: 302; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)
That's so true....!!! But how do you make a bunch of rednecks understand that...?? Imposible.....!!! No matter the facts the fanboys will always say the iphone will do better on big red but let them dream their fantasy...!!!
8. steverunner (Posts: 6; Member since: 11 Apr 2008)
I'm not sure if that's entirely true to say that network congestion is uncontrollable. No one likes to talk about it: but the two word solution which is working at most of the corporate networks that I manage are "packet shaping". CoS is also an alternative in some cases, but just because the number of nodes increases doesn't mean that there's a corresponding increase in load. Besides, I'm pretty sure Verizon's got it covered. AT&T? uhh, not so much :)
10. DOGIEFRESH (Posts: 302; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)
With a CDMA network I don't think so....with LTE it will, but you can't do voice and data simultaneous in CDMA.....!!! the top speed in EVDO is 6 mbps compares to 21 mbps in HSPA, lets see what the fanboys got to say about it and what non sense lie they gonna post here....!!!
11. artz1986 (Posts: 453; Member since: 11 Mar 2009)
I don't think any network can fully handle the iPhone, Vzw might handle it a lil better than at&t, which is a given, seeing how they would have had a longer time to get their infrastructure at a good point, but the carrier would have problems... glad to see objective kids in here for once..
12. Iphoneisthesuck (Posts: 59; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)
nothing wrong with being objective....
13. baileyboy (Posts: 18; Member since: 06 Jan 2009)
Good thing VZW thought ahead, their data and voice are two different networks. Just because the data network is clogged does not mean the voice calls will drop. Think about it.
14. biggles (Posts: 217; Member since: 15 Oct 2009)
I'd vastly prefer Verizon not clog up its CDMA network with the boring iphone. Save it for LTE.
15. YouLostTheGame (Posts: 441; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
None are perfect, but you HAVE to admit that some are better than others, and whether you want to admit it or not, CDMA tech allows for a seriously stable network. Not to mention that VZW invests of a BILLION dollars back into its network EACH QUARTER! So even if VZWs network suffered a bit a first, I'm sure they would recognize this, and UNLIKE ATT, fix it. ATT has just sat around over the course of the last few years reaping the "benefits" of having the iPhone; all while stringing their subsribers along on things like tethering, and lets not forget, MMS. These things have been offered with other carriers in different countries with the iPhone, so tell me why ATT has been such a dickfor to get these same elementary services with their iPhone.
16. DOGIEFRESH (Posts: 302; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)
Dude make a little research CDMA use the same channel for voice and data your comment is very dumb....!!!
17. YouLostTheGame (Posts: 441; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
Those are nice numbers on paper, but not in actual real-world speeds. When it comes down to it, ATT currently are just slightly faster at best. And HSPA won't truly be a contender for a bit longer. Prolly when VZW has actually rolled out a substantial portion of it's new LTE network. And lets not forget about the tiny 22% call drop rate reported with the iPhone on ATTs network. With that kind of rating you don't need to worry about doing data and voice simultaneously, cuz you're only able to stay on a phone call for 78% of the time. Shame on ATT.
18. YouLostTheGame (Posts: 441; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
Why don't you do a little research and see who's network is actually more stable. LOL! And while your at it, maybe you can tell me more that I can already read on Wikipedia, of all places. Congrats you know a "fact".
20. Iphoneisthesuck (Posts: 59; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)
Network stability is all point of view. Then network will never be the same...EVER...as it once was 5 mintues ago.
22. vzwtechbill (Posts: 175; Member since: 16 Mar 2009)
Prob won't see a CDMA Iphone, ever. But, LTE will introduce VoiP processing of calls for VZW, allow GSM based phones, unlock a world of possibilities....
24. mthoren68 (Posts: 66; Member since: 21 Sep 2009)
If 3 million people move to VZW for the iPhone, that would be an increase of 3.4%. That is manageable for a network like Verizon's that has been maintained well and continually enhanced. AT&T had cruddy call quality and reception before anyone ever heard of the iPhone. AT&T has been lacking in this area for years and years. Using the iPhone as an excuse is just that - an excuse. Over the past few years, all carriers have experienced exponential growth in data traffic as more and more people get smartphones and use text messaging. Verizon has managed to handle that growth just fine. It could handle another 3.4% no problem.
26. DOGIEFRESH (Posts: 302; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)
Who cares if VZW has more towers and coverage than AT&T....?? Only you the fanboys so you have something to bitch about......!!! We have the Iphone and you craving to see it with the big red....we having fun with it......VZW is showing too much desperate with those middle grade comercials......!! We getting the benefits from a criying bitches like you a morom fanboy who never gonna understand that CDMA lost the battle with HSPA....!!! If you don't wanna believe anybody ask the big red owner (Vodafone) Why they choose HSPA and not the 90's Redneck CDMA.....!!!!
28. mthoren68 (Posts: 66; Member since: 21 Sep 2009)
Who cares about towers and coverage? Um, I don't know, maybe people who want to be able to use their phones to the full extent? Yeah I have VZW. Yeah I'd like to have an iPhone. No I'm never going to switch to AT&T to get one. Just like millions of others, according to AT&T's own surveys. If CDMA lost the battle, then how come VZW has grown to 89 million customers? Better tell them they are wasting their time and should just go ahead and shut down, right? You'd be saving them a lot of wasted effort since they've already lost the battle, right? Have fun humping your Steven Jobs doll tonight.
29. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the iphone is no more of a network hog than a corperate BB that gets good use or an android phone. the problem is BANDWITH and # of towers, neither of which VZW has such a problem as ATT. you could release the new storm, 5 androidphones, and an iphone at the same time, have most people switch, and still have less problems than ATT. The network is just set up better.
32. DOGIEFRESH (Posts: 302; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)
Simple they bought Altell and its 18 mill suscribers......!!!! And your brain is uncapable to understand that CDMA only have strong presence in the US, Canada and South Korea dude don't blame me...!!! BTW in Canada Telus and Bell the two biggest networks there (both CDMA) has choosen HSPA. If that not enough for you to consider a lost dude you probably are the biggest Fanboy ever. You like other fanboys speak like we in AT&T are not able to use our phones dude that's very stupid like the big red map comercials, and don't worry AT&T don't need you to switch 2 millions already done it specially from VZW....!!!
33. DOGIEFRESH (Posts: 302; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)
Dude did u know LTE is GSM based lol...!!! and both VZW and AT&T will offer LTE jejeje what a fanboysm...!!!!
34. Simcarduser (Posts: 2; Member since: 26 Oct 2009)
HMMM i guess verizon deciding to get on the world standard means that CDMA won. The fact that the new LTE network will it not be backwards compatoble means they won. I know that AT&T's will be backwardsd compatible so I can keep my old phone as long as I want. This is VZW saying that it will not be backwards compatible not me. So really now great coverage now no doubt CDMA sounds great no doubt. So now you end up GSM (yes you are) anyway.
35. Simcarduser (Posts: 2; Member since: 26 Oct 2009)
Yeah and us simcard users will not have to get rid of our phones in the near future becauseLTE is backwards compatible with present day GSM but CDMA is not.
37. sinfulta (Posts: 268; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
LTE is completely independent of GSM/CDMA. It is a migration path because a sim card is used for the activation process. LTE and CDMA and LTE and GSM devices will have both radios and you can use either or. Most likely both companies will use the LTE for data services and carry the voice over the GSM or CDMA network. LTE is backwards compatible and will hand off calls seamlessly between GSM, CDMA, Wide band CDMA (UMTS), and CDMA2000.
43. Kiltlifter (Posts: 742; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
I don't think VZW will be able to handle iPhone data congestion until LTE launches. And I hope that VZW never gets the iPhone to stick it to Apple and just pumps out superior WM and Droid devices.
45. CHEFJEFF (Posts: 143; Member since: 22 Sep 2009)
AT&T had problems WAAAAAY before the Iphone came out! So what the F--K are you talking about?
48. Illyich (Posts: 167; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)
Do a little MORE research. AT&T has not 'sat around.' They've spent 18 billion on their network over the last two years, and they still get more smartphone activations than any other provider.
51. Man_of_God (Posts: 32; Member since: 27 Jan 2009)
I think your numbers are a little skewed. The average iPhone users consumes 400Mb of data a month. VZW does not currently have a device that averages that type of data usage. In comparison the average smartphone uses between 40-80Mb a month. Do the math... VZW's network would experience tremendous strain.
53. CHEFJEFF (Posts: 143; Member since: 22 Sep 2009)
AT&T could spend 100 billion dollars on their crappy network and they would still suck! They sucked before the Iphone, with the iphone, and they will suck after the Iphone. If all of AT&T's customers switched to Verizon, they will still get better service even with the extra burden. AT&T could have a good dogfight with MetroPCS, their both in the same league service wise.
54. vzw fanman (Posts: 1973; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
but we still want gayt&t around because if verizon was the only cell carrier, they would become a monopoly and their rates would go up. so we want to keep at&t, sprint, and tmobile. :-)
63. Kiltlifter (Posts: 742; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
Wow that little eh... I guess becuase I use 2-3 GB/month I just assume that people use half what I use.. HAHA.
9. tuminatr (Posts: 725; Member since: 23 Feb 2009)
i think they have all ready planed for a data useage increase with all the new smartphones
19. Iphoneisthesuck (Posts: 59; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)
The MMS patch was offered via iTunes....so ATT did not sting anyone along. Every iphone customer knew they wouldnt be able to MMS right outta the box per say. Same goes for tethering....its unlocked via itunes...not ATTs network.
23. sinfulta (Posts: 268; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
It's not, but ATT does say what carrier settings to apply to the phone to unlock those features. Tethering and MMS regardless was ATT's bad no matter how it's looked at. If anyone saw Apple's Keynote, you would how they addressed saying that ATT has not allowed it to be opened yet. Apple was not very happy and was almost blantingly bashing the only US carrier that is selling they're phone.
30. Iphoneisthesuck (Posts: 59; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)
ATT techs COULDNT provision the iphone for MMS, even if they wanted to....because the update wasnt released from apple.
38. YouLostTheGame (Posts: 441; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
The update was "released" from Apple at the beginning of the Summer, and in the keynote, was stated that ATT were said to be getting MMS "switched on" by the end of summer! How can you say that it was Apple's fault and not ATT?! Especially since iPhones across the pond and up north have been MMS capable almost from the start? And people on here accuse us VZW users as "blatant fanboys"! Sheesh!
64. Kiltlifter (Posts: 742; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
**their phone** But yeah... Apple has seen the success of the whyPhone in France where 40% of the total cellular customer base has an iPhone, which is why they are opening it up everywhere around the world now across multiple carriers in the same martkets. US is the only major market now that doesn't have an iPhone on multiple carriers. Personally I don't like the iPhone and I wouldn't use it unless you paid me, A LOT, but why limit your success... at least open it to T-Mo, then VZW when LTE launches... Sorry Sprint, Apple will never make WiMax Phone.
65. DonLouie (Posts: 594; Member since: 22 Dec 2008)
Don't be so sure, Apple keeps things close to the vest, props to vzw for due to the marketing behometh
25. vzw fanman (Posts: 1973; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
congrats verizon to having 89 million customers, has anyone actually said that yet??? anyone on the verizon network, the possibilities are endless...i'm so mad, all the hott women on desperate housewives use sprint phones!! why does sprint have to go in and taint that awesome show?
27. awesomeanthony (Posts: 51; Member since: 24 Dec 2008)
I know right... and yes congrats. Now release the curve 2 haha
31. crd22 (Posts: 77; Member since: 15 Apr 2008)
That's the least of your worries... Personally, I think VZW's biggest flaws are mandatory data plans (freedom of choice please...), and their high-priced plans, including data (some are not able to pay $30 a month, but still want a good smartphone). Besides that, I think Verizon has done a rather well job. Their network is very good, and their phone selection (and pricing! i.e. TP2) is getting better.
39. YouLostTheGame (Posts: 441; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
You get what you pay for...in the case of Big Red. Not so much I guess though if you choose ATT, since plan prices are essentially the same, only the service is one of the worst in the biz.
42. vegasguy (Posts: 1; Member since: 26 Oct 2009)
Freedom of choice? Go to another network or don't get a smartphone. Those are choices. If someone can't afford $30/mth for a data plan they probably have no business getting a smartphone in the first place. I personally applaud VZW for their higher prices. It keeps the kids from clogging the network.
44. Kiltlifter (Posts: 742; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
haha he said taint. I feel like i am 13 again.
46. DonLouie (Posts: 594; Member since: 22 Dec 2008)
That is even more lame than the recycled "you get what you pay for" mantra used to defend high prices. ATT mirrors that pricing w/o the network and vzw shouldn't have any problems, it's the network
49. theman10 (Posts: 93; Member since: 16 May 2009)
Sprint is the best. Just join them and see.
52. DonLouie (Posts: 594; Member since: 22 Dec 2008)
Most of the people here are convinced the money they'll save will give them an inferior network. Man_of_God seems to be the most sensible of the fans here.