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Verizon LTE vs T-Mobile HSPA+ vs Sprint WiMAX

0. phoneArena 04 Feb 2011, 02:05 posted on

The nation’s first and only 4G network, the nation’s largest 4G network, the nation’s most advanced 4G network… the public barely knows what 4G is these days...

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posted on 04 Feb 2011, 02:18 1

1. VZW611 (unregistered)


Friend just did a speed test of 4G in Columbus today and got 25.3Mbps on d/l and 6Mbps on the u/l. No way I believe you got that low.

posted on 04 Feb 2011, 02:35 1

2. Ash (unregistered)


You didn't even say what network your friend's test was on.


For the Articles:
If "All tests have been done in Columbus, OH, how can you see the big picture.
It's like why don't you goto SF and NY and make AT&T look bad or something like that.

posted on 04 Feb 2011, 06:54 2

6. Coffey48 (unregistered)


Considering the person posted their display name as VZW611, I'm guessing their using a Verizon device and using LTE. I live in Columbus and consistently get over 20 Mbps myself and occasionally over 30 Mbps. Based on my experiences, I can't believe this test is accurate. And I'm not basing my belief that this test is bogus on just one location in the city either. I can go to ALL of my friend's and family member's homes and even to work and a lot of restaurants and still get the blazing fast speeds over 20 Mbps. Out of the probably 30 or so locations that I've actually run speedtests at, only 2 have given me anything less than 15 Mbps. Come run the tests with me side by side Phone Arena.

posted on 04 Feb 2011, 07:56 2

8. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)


Since when did all of you live in Columbus, OH?! I live in Columbus too! I didn't know there were so many of us...

posted on 06 Feb 2011, 15:29

25. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)


i just moved to Columbus OH a half hour ago! what r the odds! So now Columbus is the 4G mecca?

posted on 04 Feb 2011, 12:04 3

15. remixfa (Posts: 14135; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


it all depends on the time of day that they were doing it at. If they were hitting it at like noon when traffic is heavy, that would account for the slowdown... or you could just be really lucky.

VZW is also the least used network at the moment since its so new, so im completely suprized that it was in last place. That doesnt bode well.

But hey, for half that price, u can have one with the highest speed spikes, tmobile!! :)

posted on 05 Feb 2011, 17:38 2

22. joshanth (Posts: 5; Member since: 10 Aug 2010)


I live in Columbus too. I have T-Moble but am on the 3G network. Am glad to here T-Mobile is doing well here!

posted on 04 Feb 2011, 03:31 1

3. clevername (Posts: 1431; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)


I'm preTTY disappointed in 4G offerings so far. The latency is amazing. That's comparable to good wifi. But upload...I'm sorely disappointed. Unless I have a bad connection my iPhone doesn't dip below 1.10 mbps up. And in the mornings and later in the evenings I get over 4mbps down. That's higher than a few of the tests shown here. Granted it hasn't always been this good, this is only in the past 8 months or so but still 4G needs to consistently stay at much higher speeds to strt to impress me. The 8 Mbps or higher results is what I'm looking for. However it still comes to upload speeds where I'm smh. I even get up to 2mbps up about 50% of the time. This is sort of appaling if smartphones or even USB modems are going to be used for video calling and online gaming.

posted on 04 Feb 2011, 06:03 1

4. Yoda (unregistered)


Doesn't really matter who's 4G network is currently the fastest. The major thing is which carrier will build there 4G network to become the largest and most reliable 4G. I think i'm going to go with Verizon for this one. Verizon is known for spending money to make it network more reliable so that customers have a more reliable and efficient network they can trust. T-Mobile hasn't even finish building up there 3G network. What make you think there 4G is going to be any better. Now theres nothing to be said about At&t, there recent network history is still kind of shaky .

posted on 05 Feb 2011, 22:34 1

23. likemike (unregistered)


Considering Sprint has purchased 55% of the bandwidth for 4G I would say they will have the largest coverage... believe it or not!

posted on 07 Feb 2011, 21:10

30. yellowcake (unregistered)


sprint doesn't even own their own towers. they lease them from towerco. verizon purchased 69% of the 700mhz of the licenses at the FCC auction. your data is wrong.

posted on 15 Mar 2011, 10:01

32. krookedstar260 (unregistered)


verizon has proven time and time again that good things come to those who wait...aaaand they did by out 69% of the licenses!...and that auction only comes out every so often...so watch out..and for the rest of the non verizon customers, ill see you guys in line for new service while i pay my bill!

posted on 04 Feb 2011, 06:13 2

5. sinfulta (Posts: 268; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)


This was a stupid test. Yeah test the 32nd largest metro market in the country. Good markets to test based on density in a small area with high population should of been in these four metros. Chicago, San Francisco, New York and Los Angeles. Not all in columbus Ohio. I test networks 14-18 times a month and not one carrier is investing toms of money in a metro that people are moving out of. Tmobile and Verizon are ridiculously quicker in the four markets I mentioned above.

posted on 04 Feb 2011, 06:59 1

7. Coffey48 (unregistered)


Well said and as I mention in a comment to someone's comment on post 1, the speeds represented are either clearly wrong or skewed somehow. My LTE modem is usually over 20 Mbps, sometimes over 30 Mbps. I guess this just adds to the general lack of credibility of Phone Arena that I am picking up on and can tell others have the same impressions as well based on comments to posts. Anyhow, Have a great weekend everyone! I'll be online all weekend over 20 Mbps!

posted on 04 Feb 2011, 07:59 1

9. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)


Dude...just because you get a certain speed doesn't mean everyone is going to get that same speed. I don't get dropped calls or slow speeds on my AT&T iPhone, but does that discredit everyone who says they do? I'm sure you'd argue against that.

And I'll be more impressed when more people are on those 4G networks and they still can pull these 30Mbps...

posted on 04 Feb 2011, 09:18 1

10. Ryan A (unregistered)


Dont listen to Jeff (Chase), he knows not of what he speaks.. everyone knows ALL iphone 4s drop calls
:) Hey Jeff.. hows life, I think Ill stalk you on here now

posted on 04 Feb 2011, 10:20 1

12. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)


Damn it Ryan!!!

*Hides*

posted on 04 Feb 2011, 10:21 1

13. landale (Posts: 6; Member since: 16 Jul 2010)


I call BS on this test as well. I have the UML290 with Verizon and have traveled all over with it to NYC, Philly, DC, and Houston. While I do get speed tests in the 5-10mbps range I also routinely get test well over 20mbps and will usually average around 15mbps when downloading large files. There is no way you can do 10 tests and not get a single result in the 20's, my guess is phonearena threw these results out thinking they were in error.

I also have a Sprint Overdrive and based on the scores I see for Sprint these tests must have been done inside of Sprint Wimax towers because I never saw results over 5mbps when used inside late last year.

posted on 04 Feb 2011, 11:53 5

14. Jovany (unregistered)


You guys DO know that Verizon has less spectrum than Sprint....wait till everyone floods the VZ 4G network, you'll see your speeds dip pretty quick. Thats one thing you guys arent taking into consideration

posted on 04 Feb 2011, 12:06 3

16. Jeromeo (Posts: 135; Member since: 11 Jan 2010)


I have to point out that battery life on WiMax is just awful. I think the EVO has been the sweetest phone out there for many months, but no EVO friend I know can even get a full working day out of it, let alone a 24h day. They always have a charger with them at all times. LTE is undoubtedly the future and I will be so excited to get a device with such a radio antenna in it, but until power management protocols are improved I'll be happy with getting similar (if not better) speeds on an 'older technology' that might actually give me a full days battery charge.
When I had AT&T for 2 years in college (1999-2000), I could rarely make a phone call between the hours of 4-6 on weekdays because of horrible network congestion. And just like in college, having the most amount of students in a classroom does NOT offer the best possible learning experience (it's actually the opposite-until you hit too few). I know that the extreme amount of users boating AT&T's and VZW's networks shouldn't be feats to boast about, but factors that worry end users. Why do you think the 3rd and 4th carriers achieved some of the the fastest speeds (consistently at Peak times)?
I know you're really talking about USB modem sticks mostly, but it's very important to mention that neither Sprint's nor VZW's networks are really capable of simultaneous voice and data. While some upcoming VZW devices 'include such functionality' (i.e. Thunderbolt), it's not guaranteed to work as a standard.
Finally, it must be noted that T-Mobile's '4G' network upgrades are essentially backwards compatible because any upgrade to a tower boosts speeds everyone on the network, not simply the ones who have the newest hardware. My over-a-year-old, non HSPA+ N900 is capable of 10.2mbps max downlink speeds, but everyday tests averaged 1-2mbps until their network was upgraded from 3G to 3.5G 14mbps HSPA+, when I started to see averages around 5-6mbps. When they upgraded the network backhaul and software to support 21mbps, I got peaks of 9mbps even though my radio hardware wasn't the newest! Still not hitting my max, but the more upgrades T-Mobile makes, the more EVERYONE on their network benefits.
You mentioned that HSPA+ is a dead end. No way! Read this article about the evolution of HSPA+:
http://5idd.com/forget-hspa-and-lte-lthe-is-the-way-to-go/
Finally, in support of the cheapest prices, best deals, fastest speeds, most freedom, great price-war competition between providers, and for all consumer's benefit:
T-Mobile has the cheapest data plans of any major service provider, no overage charges on data, no hard data cap limits, the most consumer friendly tiered data plans (most MBs for the lowest $), is one of only 2 carriers to still offer annual & bi-annual upgrade packages (Sprint/VZW have recently stopped theirs), were the 1st carrier to 'chip away' monthly at early termination fees, and most devices like mine to allow for free USB/WiFi/Bluetooth tethering!
Can you tell that I'm happy with T-Mobile?

posted on 05 Feb 2011, 13:34

21. jay (unregistered)


u made some valid points and some not so valid points for one vzw hasnt done away with there early termination fees yet, but more than likly they will be, secondly sprint offers premier customers yearly upgrades on there cell phones. also wimax does allow both talk/internet at the same time ask anyone that has a evo or epic or evo shift

posted on 07 Feb 2011, 21:11

31. yellowcake (unregistered)


early termination fees will never go away so long as the consumer demands equipment subsidy.

posted on 06 Feb 2011, 08:28

24. Galen20K (Posts: 517; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)


Awesome Logic, I'm very happy with T-Mobile as well for years. - )

posted on 04 Feb 2011, 12:20

17. marco cazorla (Posts: 4; Member since: 13 Sep 2009)


yea this isnt right. i work in irvine ca. the download was 25 mps and 14 on the upload. maybe this was in the area where 4g wasnt available and running off the 3g.

posted on 07 Feb 2011, 16:06

28. jtaylor991 (unregistered)


what carrier? i plan on switching to tmo from att for their 4g and the optimus black/2x soon

posted on 04 Feb 2011, 14:36 3

18. LionStone (Posts: 468; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)


Interesting article in PC Today- by Jennifer Farwell- "Will The Real 4G Please Stand Up": The 'key points'...

- The "4g wireless" touted by mobile providers is actually pre-4g, with speeds falling short of 4g expectations.
- Mobile phone manufacturers are struggling to produce high-function handsets that support even these speeds.
- The final 4g specification won't be approved until at least 2012 but will likely accommodate all current "pre-4g technologies."
- The road to real 4g involves many significant technological considerations beyond transmission speed.

She mentions, "While the 2011 generation of "4G" products offer substantially faster speeds than previous 3G connections, real 4G still has a ways to go."

"LTE Advanced, WiMAX 802.16m, and LT-HSPA-E are all modified routes to 4G. None of them will be available until 2012." Berge Ayvazian, a senior consultant with research firm Heavy Reading.

This guy also mentions that "4G phones will need multi-core processors and Swiss-army-knife chipsets to perform all their duties efficiently. That isn't quite possible quite yet. We haven't seen any LTE smartphones (in real-world situations) yet...the Samsung Craft- a first generation 4G phone- is not very sophisticated. Your experience on the HTC EVO and Epic is better than (with) the Craft."

posted on 04 Feb 2011, 18:17 2

19. noneya (unregistered)


I live in columbus and have the pantech modem. I average over 20mb down. I just used pingtest.net and had a ping of 41ms, 8ms jitter and no packet loss. However with about 90% of the info posted being wrong on this site i guess im not shocked. You guys are the msnbc of the tech world...

posted on 07 Feb 2011, 16:08

29. jtaylor991 (unregistered)


carrier pls. omg no one is bothering to put down carrier, which makes the comment almost useless

posted on 04 Feb 2011, 18:41 1

20. noneya (unregistered)


As a follow up to my last post, i'm at home where i only receive 2 bars of signal strength and my last speed test was 27.14mb down and 6.17 up. You sure your test wasnt in columbus, ga?

posted on 06 Feb 2011, 16:39 1

26. tragichero (Posts: 163; Member since: 07 Jan 2011)


i live in the chicago area and i get over 20mbps down on verizon.... i also went to columbus last week and got over 20mbps so this articule is complete bs.

posted on 06 Feb 2011, 16:41 1

27. tragichero (Posts: 163; Member since: 07 Jan 2011)


PA... similar to what noneya said... you guys are the fox news of the tech world

posted on 03 Aug 2011, 13:53

34. fedguru (unregistered)


You mentionned Sprint's 150MHz of spectrum, but it is actually 200MHz and it belongs to Sprint, who got it by buying Nextel (who got it from the Catholic Church!). Sprint is letting Clear use 40MHz of it. Meanwhile, Verizon was able to buy only 24MHz in the FCC auction, and AT&T was able to get a mere 11MHz. The ITU recommends 40MHz as a miniumum. That is why Verizon fails in any speed test and puts a cap on usage, and it is why AT&T is still reselling T-Mobile 3G service - they dont have enough spectrum to support 4G network services.

Both Verizon and AT&T are lobbying hard to get more spectrum allocated to broadband wireless, but its a finite resource. Lightsquared has 57MHz in the satellite band and got the FCC to permit its use for *their* LTE network, which will be built and operated by Sprint. That will pump and other $9 billion into Sprint's war chest, to combat Verizon, T-Mobile, and AT&T claims of superiority.

As far as I can tell, Sprint is in the driver's seat because it controls a critical resource: SPECTRUM.

posted on 03 Aug 2011, 14:01

35. fedguru (unregistered)


Sprint is in the drivers seat. It has 200MHz of spectrum, not 150MHz. They are leasing 40MHz to Clear. Verizon was able to buy 24MHz at the FCC auction - a little more than half of what the ITU says is a minimum requirement for 4G network services. AT&T was able to get 11MHz. T-Mobile has none.

THAT is why Verizon, AT&T, and T-Mobile cap usage, and THAT is why they will fail every speed test when they get a few more users.

Moreover, Sprint has just gotten a $9 billion boost from Lightsquared, who have 57MHz in what used to be a satellite band, and are having Sprint host their LTE network. That will let Sprint built out their network a bit faster, and mount some ad campaigns to counter the nonsense advertised by the other.

posted on 03 Aug 2011, 14:02

36. fedguru (unregistered)


Sprint is in the drivers seat. It has 200MHz of spectrum, not 150MHz. They are leasing 40MHz to Clear. Verizon was able to buy 24MHz at the FCC auction - a little more than half of what the ITU says is a minimum requirement for 4G network services. AT&T was able to get 11MHz. T-Mobile has none.

THAT is why Verizon, AT&T, and T-Mobile cap usage, and THAT is why they will fail every speed test when they get a few more users.

Moreover, Sprint has just gotten a $9 billion boost from Lightsquared, who have 57MHz in what used to be a satellite band, and are having Sprint host their LTE network. That will let Sprint built out their network a bit faster, and mount some ad campaigns to counter the nonsense advertised by the other.

posted on 04 Sep 2011, 11:35

37. VZW_no_love (unregistered)


In Jacksonville, FL my typical download speeds on Verizon LTE with a Thunderbolt are 1 Mbps. WTF? It has been this way ever since I got my Thunderbolt back in the Spring of this year. Why is everyone else on VZW getting such good speeds and I'm not? I'm thinking about switching to Sprint.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:57

38. misdirection (unregistered)


9.83 mbps download
3.83 mbps upload

4G LTE on Bionic - take that!

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