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Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint and Google answer FCC on ETF investigation

0. phoneArena 23 Feb 2010, 22:44 posted on

All those involved had met the Feds request for a response to the FCC's letter about ETF's by February 23rd...

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posted on 20 Oct 2010, 01:45

1. scottmbolt (unregistered)


ETF's themselves don't bother me. Consumers know exactly what they are getting into when they sign a contract. I do believe that it should be lowered for all carriers, and if you do have serious problems with a carrier (i.e. provable bad/non existent service at home and at work) you should be allowed out of it. The one big thing I wish these companies would be more lenient on is their upgrading policies. If you want to upgrade early and sign a new contract, take a chill pill on the fees guy!

posted on 24 Feb 2010, 09:04

2. jundibasam (Posts: 119; Member since: 05 Aug 2009)


I more or less agree, but the problem with allowing every Joe Schmo to upgrade to a new phone every few months is that the carriers will always lose money. Equipment subsidies are real, and there is anecdotal evidence out there that shows some of these phones, especially the more advanced ones like Droid, iPhone, and Nexus One, cost carriers in upwards of $400, not including variable costs like sales, commission, and marketing. If the phone is selling at $200 or less, and a customer is only paying $100 a month for the service, then the carriers would be out of business quick. Most carriers do offer flexible upgrade options. I know Verizon allows customers who have a plan of $50 or more to get a new phone every year, and also let lines on the same account to "share" upgrade dates. A better option would be to do away with the subsidies all together or let the manufacturers offer the promotions and subsidies directly. The only problem with that is that if all the major carriers don't go onboard with it, then the carrier(s) that does(do) will be at a competitive disadvantage because most customers dont mind signing a contract if it will give them a new phone at little or no out of pocket expense.

posted on 24 Feb 2010, 09:54

3. scottmbolt (unregistered)


Your points are spot on. You are right, carriers shouldn't be giving every Joe schmoe a free upgrade. I am also happy to see that carriers are starting there "early upgrade" programs for loyal customers who are paying an arm and a leg for service, and are on time with their payments.

posted on 24 Feb 2010, 11:56

4. rwolf1984 (Posts: 518; Member since: 06 Jun 2009)


FCC and Senators obsession with interfering in the wireless industry ticks me off. They have been asking about ETFs for years...they are still not satisfied. The carriers need to protect themselves from fraud otherwise there would be this huge black market for cell phones. Actually it wouldnt be black it'd probably be red, yellow, blue and green (ebay, lol). Phones typically are $200-$600 depending on the type of device. Carriers do subsidize the cost of the phone to offer the phone for less up front. And some carriers offer non-contract options...this sounds fine to me. I wonder what the government has issues with? The network is a "living" entity if there are changes to the network that affect service then the carriers should work with the customers rather than slapping them with fees. I've heard that carriers do power off towers on a regular basis for whatever reason and its possible that some users could have less quality experience as a result. It's often a tough and ugly battle to prove this to the carrier because departments don't share data about the network with the customer service schmucks. It's also tough to prove when you're the person that always buys the "free phone" and is eligible for an upgrade. I've heard stories and witnessed personally where they've sent out "engineers" or "techs" to take measurements. Everything is always fine...? In conclusion...I want the FCC to leave the carriers alone unless they are going to help the carriers be more competitive...stop wasting their time and our time with ETF-BS (I think they just wanna piece of the ETF). Instead we, the consumers, should be asking you about all those FCC fees and what not every user pays each month. I'd love to learn how the FCC is spending that "wisely".

posted on 25 Feb 2010, 10:21

5. iHateCrapple (Posts: 734; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)


Agreed.....+1 for you sir.

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