Use of app instead of mobile Safari makes browser speed test flawed?
0. phoneArena 18 Mar 2011, 01:30 posted on
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1. BaiGanyo (Posts: 308; Member since: 07 Feb 2011)
Oh, now we have the excuses just rolling in. Don't get the result you want? Just blame to test. Typical apple and apple crony mentality. Nothing but excuses and justification....
13. E.N. (Posts: 2280; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Well you can't really pretend that you're surprised. You Android users do the same thing. iPhone is successful because of Apple's advertising, or because of their name, because of their iPods/computers, because people think they will look cool, because they're fanboys, because people are stupid, because people can't think for themselves. How about iPhone is successful because it's a good phone and people like it.
I myself don't really believe the tests either. How come we haven't seen 52% faster speeds in any head to head browser test with iPhone 4 and Nexus S?
21. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
but.. those are the biggest reasons the iphone is successful.
is it a great FEATURE PHONE? yes. But its not a smartphone.
they have trendy advertising, many people admit to buying them to look cool, apple fanbuys buy everything apple.. hell they have to to make it work properly, the bulk of people are stupid and cant handle doing things themselves, and yes people actually like the phone.
23. E.N. (Posts: 2280; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Those aren't the reasons. That's just the justification. How is iPhone the feature phone when 3/4 Android devices are feature phones? I use to hear good arguments from Android, but as more dumb people buy Android phones, all I'm hearing is customization customization customization and "making your phone yours". When choosing a smartphone, I don't consider that the most important feature. The feature phone thing is a major rationalization.
And there are fanboys but I don't think they make the bulk of iphone sales. And what about the Android fanboys. There's someone on this site that has purchased every single Android phone on Verizon's lineup. Pretty pathetic. And just like you're probably going to choose Android as your next device, I'm probably choosing iPhone again but I'd be considered the fanboy before you.
I've also read many iPhone users buying the phone to look cool, but phones like the Droid are based on the cool factor. "iPhone is so not coolest phone anymore" some of them say. "Drooiid"
25. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
And who the hell are you to say that the iphone is not a smartphone when all tech authorities categorizies it as a smartphone. You're dumb.
There are tons of SUCCESSFUL professionals who use the iphone, so how dare you say iphone users are stupid? Again, you are the stupid one.
2. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Oh my goodness. Whoever did the test was probably an android fanboy. How stupid of them not to use the actual safari browser and think that they could easily get away with it. Are android fanboys this desperate? I guess.
3. clevername (Posts: 1428; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
I don't think they're fan boys at all. I'm far from an android fanboy but your comment is a bit ignorant. The article stated the reason why the browser wasn't used is because they were using a proprietary appso apple gave them the app to make the test.
7. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
20. Kjayhawk (Posts: 287; Member since: 07 Oct 2010)
26. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
The iphone has been out since 2007 and you say that the safari web browser hasn't been released yet? Now that's stupid. And who the hell is blaze that Apple is subjected to submit anything to them? Blaze is an independent entity. Your stupidity owned you. Don't make up stories. Apple does not report to blaze.
32. p0rkguy (Posts: 683; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)
Apple released it to the public, not just to Blaze. Blaze used what was offered to them and now Apple is coming back saying they didn't "fully" use it because they didn't have what Apple had. A bit silly of Apple saying Blaze didn't use a feature that they weren't even capable of acquiring.
35. aruegas (Posts: 9; Member since: 04 Mar 2011)
So which safari is the public using? The half-baked one, or the optimized one? If you do not have the right browser, then don't even bother testing.
42. p0rkguy (Posts: 683; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)
Wait, so you're saying what Apple released shouldn't be tested?
Their optimization is found in the iPhone 4, not the browser itself. Apple released the browser without the full optimizations available on the iPhone 4. Who's to blame for that?
51. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
What should be published are the ones that truly matters. Who cares about beta tests and half baked browsers' test results.
54. jbash (Posts: 341; Member since: 07 Feb 2011)
blaze tested according to what they had available. yes apple's browser may be faster with its update but they didn't have that available to test. Apple basically said your data is sckewed because you haven't used our optimised browser, and no you can't use it yet.
5. p0rkguy (Posts: 683; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)
You're clearly an Apple fan boy with your post history. Practically every single one of your posts either defends Apple or degrades the competition.
8. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Of course I will defend Apple if they are being wronged. So you think that test was fair then? You're clearly an Apple hater :)
12. Sniggly (Posts: 6920; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Of course, when Gemini posts, all the thumb ratings go to hell.
Dude, if the test results are wrong, they're wrong. However, before I was even done reading the article I knew you and your ilk would show up, claiming that the results of testing the actual browser would totally negate these conclusions. Boy, was I right.
Now we just have to wait for your friends to show. (For some reason when I refer to other posters by name when not directly addressing them, my posts get removed-BUT YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.)
And before you start whining that I'm being a fandroid, you KNOW that you would be yelling at us if it were a discussion about XOOM vs iPad 2 benchmark tests and our speculation on how a fresh battery of tests would turn out.
And knock it off with the sock account thumb voting, will you? It doesn't do anything except expose you as a loser who can't stand to let anyone decide whether someone else's posts are good or bad for themselves.
27. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Oh and as if you do not give iphone users a thumbsdown. What a hypocrite.
And excuse me, before you bring up my presence in APPLE ARTICLES THREADS, may I remind you that you have been posting in apple articles here way before I started. Again, what a hypocrite. At least you would only see me posting comments in Apple related articles whixh makes sense because I use Apple products, unlike you who trolls in Apple related articles and don't even have the iphone.
And stop with the thumb voting thing. I don't do that. It is you who's been doing that, but when you see that readers prefer what Apple users post, you react, because you're the one with multiple accounts :)
34. Sniggly (Posts: 6920; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Um, no, bullshit alert. Everytime you show up the ratings flip flop with three to five spontaneous votes. It's a shameful tactic, one that I only see young earth creationists use. And I only see it happen that way when YOU, and ONLY you show up.
I only give an occasional thumb down if what's being said is incredibly stupid or inflammatory, and it can happen to either an Android or iPhone user. So that argument fails. I usually prefer to simply express my opinion.
So you failed at understanding what I said about you. I said that you'd be here to DEFEND APPLE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I don't care where the hell you post. It's your gag worthy posting content that I can't stand.
I have exactly ONE account. I've considered making a few more just to negate the effects of your bullshit, but I haven't acted on this-yet.
However, since you're most likely a troll (I can smell them a mile away) that's exactly the reaction you want. And I'm feeding you right now, but I don't care because someone needs to set the record straight with passable grammar.
36. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Well I could say the same to you mister. So shut up :)
Who cares about your thumb votes?! Like what you say affects Apple's success, hahahaha. But Apple's success truly affects you, lol.
If you cannot stand me and other Apple users, then stay away from Apple articles dumbass :) There should be plenty of android articles to keep your slow mind busy, so shoooo :)
39. Whateverman (Posts: 3193; Member since: 17 May 2009)
He's got a point. Anyone who has any kind of opposing opinion to yours is pretty much guaranteed an instant -3 or 4. And your outlandish and sometimes offensive comments always manage to get a + 3 or 4. I guess it's just a strange coincidence that only happens with you, huh?
44. Sniggly (Posts: 6920; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
No, Apple's success doesn't affect me. I just like to bitch at idiots who declare it the best tech company ever, when there are other companies which are more successful (Microsoft) and/or more innovative (Google, Palm, Motorola).
Just remember that the iPhone wouldn't even exist without Motorola's contributions to the mobile industry. Motorola pretty much popularized the cell phone as we know it today, TWICE. And thank Blackberry for introducing the idea of a phone which was more than a phone. And thank Google for the maps feature on your iPhone. And thank HTC and Motorola and Android for bringing focus onto smartphone specs. Because after all, Android is about the closest you have to a PC experience on your phone that actually works.
4. p0rkguy (Posts: 683; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)
For you idiots that don't know, Blaze ran the tests with UIWebView for both OSes.
I can understand why Apple would try to defend themselves on this matter but they didn't include anything about the Nexus S not having any enhancements either. Now those enhancements may result in different results but Android is clearly the winner when it comes to the browser.
Apple clearly doesn't think the Nexus S by boosting it the same way.
9. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Oh please. Why would you test browsers without their official optimizations? The real world would always use the most recent released version which would include all optimizations. So of course this test is flawed. So how can you say that android is the clear winner? Oh maybe with downgraded browser apps android is the winner, lol. So you would just use a browser that's not updated with optimizations because it shows better results for android, lol.
19. p0rkguy (Posts: 683; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)
I love how this already infested with Apple Trolls that aren't capable of saying much so the most they can do is thumb down.
Back on topic - Why are you so close minded when talking about Apple? I don't think you're comprehending it correctly, the BROWSER in Android is clearly the winner. If I had said the Android browser is the winner compared to the iPhone 4's BROWSER, then it would have been false.
You're really not understanding the concept of the comparison.
Apple is claiming Blaze didn't use the JS found in 4.3, which is true, but what makes you think the Nexus S isn't capable of using a JS to enhance/speed up the browser experience also?
I like Apple, just not the ignorants that aren't able to defend it properly. I don't like to assume things but chances are you're somebody that didn't know much about technology until Apple opened the doors for you.
28. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Again, another troll accusing other trolls from trolling around. How dumb. Just shut up. We're all on the same page here.
How is the browser in android the clear winner when the test was flawed? How would you feel if iphone4 is being compared to a beta android device and the iphone wins? As for capability, android devices are not even capable of scrolling and pinch to zoom smoothly, hahahaha, much more JS.
Oh and please stop assuming what other people know. It makes you look dumber than you already are :)
31. p0rkguy (Posts: 683; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)
Troll accusing other trolls? Find a time where I've trolled someone on this site. I've been giving facts throughout the whole site. What have you been doing? Oh right, criticizing anything that was a competition for Apple when the topic isn't even related. Shows a lot about what an Apple user is capable of, no?
Then why was the Android browser capable of beating Safari?They both started evenly and Android won the race, now Apple is saying it's flawed because they didn't use grease lightning on it which is available on the iPhone 4s.
You're clearly not reading but that's okay, there will always people be willing to learn and those that refuse to learn anything once proved wrong.
37. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
What facts? The only fact that you've proven is that you're a low life hater :) Shows a lot on how jealous and bitter android fanboys like you are.
The only reason why your android browser beat safari is because they were using a half baked safari version. There are plenty of articles where the iphone4 performed better than any android devices. Especially articles from last June or July last year when the iphone4 was released :)
43. p0rkguy (Posts: 683; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)
Hi aruegas. :)
Not optimized on the iPhone 4? Yes.
Half baked Safari? No.
It was Apple's own release of the Safari. Techies are going to test it against the competition if you release it publicly. Much like what has happened to IE9, which was just released a few days ago.
6. Randy (unregistered)
No matter how hard Apple and it's fanboys try, Android is going to be mopping up applesauce when it's over.
10. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
That's not what the sales figures, capital shares, and profit shares are saying. The iphone still leads :)
29. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Ah another jealous android mongoloid. Does the success of Apple products hurt you so much? Does it make you cry? Ahhhh you poor loser you :)
49. jayme (Posts: 36; Member since: 10 Jan 2011)
OK dude now youve gone too far. Last time I looked Google had 28% share overall. And as far as running back to back comarisons. Run your precious iPhag 4 aginst a real droid...X....Thunderbolt. For my money Ill always get a product from a company that INNOVATES and continues to grow thier product, not just re-offering the same device year after year with little or no difference between them. So go blow Jobs...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! maybe he'll give you something new for once.
14. jeditidus (unregistered)
Apple fanboys can complain all they want... Phone arena proved Android has the fastest browser
17. jeditidus (unregistered)
24. E.N. (Posts: 2280; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
You see, the just confirmed my suspicions even more. The dual core processor LG 2X has the faster browser hands-down, but its not by much at all. So how can we expect the Nexus S to have speeds 52% faster? It just doesn't make sense.
30. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Now this is a more valid article. And I will not even contest it. That was a fair test. But the iphone still isn't a slouch. The dual core LG phone only finished a couple of secs faster, and that test was before iOS 4.3 I believe.
15. Makapiapia (Posts: 25; Member since: 06 Dec 2010)
All virgins every last one of you, arguing about browser speeds. Haha!
16. Thyknd (unregistered)
Ya this test really matters as every iphone user uses this app for browsing and thinks mobile safari is good for nothing .... :-p
22. what for? (unregistered)
guys, let's just look at this objectively.. there isn't a single phone which is completely better than another in any or every ways.. the only way such a phone would exist is if companies pool and share technologies and ideas, in which case we'll probably have a win-I-droid-berry-GS7NexusBold phone, but will never happen...
what the iphone lacks in customization or eyecandy, it makes up for it with simplicity and user-friendliness.. and what the android lacks in fluidness or apps/ecosystem, it makes up with cutting-edge tech and optimizations.. so honestly, does a 0.2 seconds speed difference in browser really matter to you in the real world?
that said, i do have one question for apple users.. i seriously don't understand why would anyone so fervently bind their phones to a single software on their computers.. is iTunes really THAT good and so important to be at the centre of the whole apple ecosystem? i don't have iTunes yet i don't see myself wanting to use it, nor do i see a lack without it.. which is why i'm sticking with android, aside from its inherent benefits, i'm not being forced to be stuck with any single software in order to make my phone function and having to be so dependent upon it... its really just plug and play, no sync no anything, anytime anywhere any computers...
33. your ad here (unregistered)
when it comes to sales apple had a head start of 2 years at least all that was really up against it was the g1 which was on t mobile then the og droid came out along with all the others and has now taking the lead as the highest used OS for smartphones.
and then I hear this from someone "well there's only one Iphone" and that's the problem there's only one. Don't get me worng the iphone is a great device but why would i want to just look at only one option. With android there are numerous companys making numerous differnt styles of android devices which is why android phones sell 300.000 to around 30.000 a day. That's all I have to say, and yes i do have an android phone I could care less your people on here measuring your 64 bit urine streamins in a digital pissing contest, but im off to enjoy my flash enables web browser and my n64 emulator
38. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Oh look, the iphone ranked highest again in customer satisfaction :) Now that's something more significant that this biased and dumb browser test done by blaze :)
45. Sniggly (Posts: 6920; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Oh look, Motorola and HTC, both gigantic Android manufacturers, are right behind it. Oh look, while iPhone produces only one high end model, some of those Motorola and HTC owners may have been saddled with some of the admittedly inferior offerings out there. So if you went just with the high end offerings from them, you'd probably see a different story. Oh look, Apple iFanboys would be satisfied with a cowpie if it had an Apple logo on it. Oh look, aesthetics and ease of use are both major players, and people who are spoiled by the iToy whine that Android is too hard to use, even though it's so easy I've taught grandmothers with no tech experience how to use it.
So even with all of that I'll take those scores as an indication that yeah, Motorola and HTC are doing a good job of satisfying their customers.
52. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
No matter what you say, they're all behind the iphone. Jealous? Don't be dumb. Users buy devices for different reasons, other than just the logo. Android is not hard to use at all, but the iphone is much easier.
40. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
The argument here is valid. The test was done with an app that doesn't take advantage of safaris speeds. It's a flawed test. In response to some of the comments I choose iPhone because it's my preference. I have valid reasons. I like the battery life. I like the apps better than android apps. Most of all I like how stable it is and the fluidity of the os. That's my preference. Android does some things that I like too. It's nice to have a flash option. I like how it integrates with google products such as gmail and google voice. The google navigation is great. It's a trade off. A couple of years ago it was a no brained. iPhone was number 1 hands down. Now google is very competitive. It's a hard choice, but at this point I still prefer iPhone. At some point if google keeps improving I may switch to them.
What I don't get is bi-ganyo, sniggly and the rest of the troll crew that show up on every Apple story talking sh*t. I don't go to android articles bashing google. Why are they so determined to prove to everyone that Apple is inferior? Pretty much all the trolls here are in the cell industry. I believe they're bitter because Apple is their competition and they lose out on sales because of Apple products.
46. Sniggly (Posts: 6920; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Well, Taco, there's a simple explanation for why I do what I do. I'm opinionated, and my opinion is that Apple's business practices suck. They treat every one of their business partners like crap and work harder at marketing their products than actually producing anything truly innovative anymore. They work to squeeze the last penny out of everything they can, and they have outraged a lot of people.
I'm not bitter at all, because when I worked for Verizon I never lost a single sale to the iPhone. The only thing I was ever bitter about was that the retailer I worked for charged so much for their phones (50 to 100 dollar markup over corporate) that I lost sales to online and the corporate stores the next couple of towns over. And my commission structure was stacked against me and guaranteed that I walked home with minimum wage every pay period. I even converted a few iPhone users to Android, and they were easy sells.
And now at my new job, I could sell iPhones all day if I wanted. But I don't want to sell the iPhone, because I will make 56 cents of commission off it when I can sell a Captivate and get 28 bucks commission off of it.
So will you please stop the bitterness/jealousy argument? None of us here are really bashing the products themselves. We're just bashing the company making them and the rabid fans who enable the company's horrid behavior.
48. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
You're clearly lying if you say working for Verizon you never lost sales to the iPhone. As far as Apple's business practices sucking. Every company is all about making money. It's up to the consumer to decide who they want to spend their money with. You take it personal when consumers choose Apple which is weird.
As far as marketing and not innovating? Apple defined the current smartphone market with the original iPhone. App store, webkit browser, pinch to zoom, inertia scrolling. Just a few major innovations from Apple that everyone is copying. Yup Apple innovates and you troll.
55. Sniggly (Posts: 6920; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
By losing sales I mean that no one who ever walked into the store looking for the iphone left in search of it anymore. By the time they got done looking at Android they were hooked. Sure, there were people who never stopped into the store because they would've gone to the apple or at and t store, but those weren't lost sales. They were sales which were entirely out of my control. So why would I care about that? All I cared about was what happened in my store and the stores in my chain.
And yes, as I have repeated many times, Apple DID innovate some. But they haven't done anything since with the iphone that nobody else does. Webkit browsers and inertia scrolling are common sense functions which would have been introduced with or without the iPhone. App stores existed before the iPhone. Android Market opened only a few months after the App store, and Android was in development for years before the G1 was released.
Apple is stagnating. They are doing as little as possible and charging maximum price for it.
57. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Again you're lying. There are plenty of people that prefer iPhone to android even after seeing everything android can do. These boards were full of VZW employees talking shit about the iPhone. They were all pissed about the sales they were losing. You're just continuing to do it now. How is a webkit browser common sense?? Why didn't you come up with it then and get rich?
58. Sniggly (Posts: 6920; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Because I'm not a programmer. But a browser which can display web sites exactly as a computer browser would has been something that people wanted from the get go. Apple was just the first one to do so.
59. Sniggly (Posts: 6920; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
And no, I am not lying. Maybe other salesmen had different experiences than me, but I'm telling you I never had trouble selling Android vs. the iPhone.
53. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
You do what you do because you can no longer contain your jealousy and hate. You will not be how you are with Apple if they're at the bottom and your preferred brand is on top. So again, you are a hypocrite.
Apple never forced their employees to work for them. They never forced their partners to work with them. They never forced developers to develop apps for them. They never forced anyone to buy their products. So how can you say that they treat everyone like crap. The fact that they have the highest customer service rating, proves you wrong already.
What? You never lost a single sale to the iphone? Well that's not what the reports show mister. Stop making up stories.
You yourself said that you can sell iphones all day if you want to, but you won't. So there, another proof that Apple doesn't force anyone to do anything for them.
And don't make up your own numbers. You are a liar. Verizon, at & t, and other carriers and stores who carry the iphone will not easily jump into selling the iphone if they are not making a lot of money. So stop lying.
56. Sniggly (Posts: 6920; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I'm not a liar. My numbers are valid. I am tired of repeating myself for an obvious troll.
41. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Oh also a big one for me why I prefer iPhone is the keyboard. It's the most accurate and easy to use out of any touch phone I've had and it supports a foreign language I use that other phones don't. iPhone supports 50 foreign languages. That's huge. And the guy that said it isn't a smartphone is an idiot.
47. LionStone (Posts: 447; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)
That ip keyboard is seriously outdated sir...on a 3.5" screen? I changed my keyboard with Smart Keyboard, put any language you want, modify keys taller or wider, omit certain keys and make more room, pad the space bar so its thicker, etc. Nice to have choices...
50. bossmt_2 (Posts: 430; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)
Well it's nice to know that Apple is acknowledging that they throttle speeds of non-Apple apps of accessing the web.
60. tragichero (Posts: 163; Member since: 07 Jan 2011)
the results are out..... safari 45% slower than android browser. suck it apple!!!!