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Use of app instead of mobile Safari makes browser speed test flawed?

0. phoneArena 18 Mar 2011, 01:30 posted on

Earlier tests showing that the Android browser is 52% faster than mobile Safari could be flawed because the test used an iPhone app instead of using Safari itself; improvements made to the JavaScript engine on mobile Safari were completely bypassed on the test...

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posted on 18 Mar 2011, 01:35 8

1. BaiGanyo (Posts: 308; Member since: 07 Feb 2011)


Oh, now we have the excuses just rolling in. Don't get the result you want? Just blame to test. Typical apple and apple crony mentality. Nothing but excuses and justification....

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 03:43 7

13. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


Well you can't really pretend that you're surprised. You Android users do the same thing. iPhone is successful because of Apple's advertising, or because of their name, because of their iPods/computers, because people think they will look cool, because they're fanboys, because people are stupid, because people can't think for themselves. How about iPhone is successful because it's a good phone and people like it.

I myself don't really believe the tests either. How come we haven't seen 52% faster speeds in any head to head browser test with iPhone 4 and Nexus S?

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 11:04 3

21. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


but.. those are the biggest reasons the iphone is successful.

is it a great FEATURE PHONE? yes. But its not a smartphone.

they have trendy advertising, many people admit to buying them to look cool, apple fanbuys buy everything apple.. hell they have to to make it work properly, the bulk of people are stupid and cant handle doing things themselves, and yes people actually like the phone.

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 14:26 6

23. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)


Those aren't the reasons. That's just the justification. How is iPhone the feature phone when 3/4 Android devices are feature phones? I use to hear good arguments from Android, but as more dumb people buy Android phones, all I'm hearing is customization customization customization and "making your phone yours". When choosing a smartphone, I don't consider that the most important feature. The feature phone thing is a major rationalization.

And there are fanboys but I don't think they make the bulk of iphone sales. And what about the Android fanboys. There's someone on this site that has purchased every single Android phone on Verizon's lineup. Pretty pathetic. And just like you're probably going to choose Android as your next device, I'm probably choosing iPhone again but I'd be considered the fanboy before you.

I've also read many iPhone users buying the phone to look cool, but phones like the Droid are based on the cool factor. "iPhone is so not coolest phone anymore" some of them say. "Drooiid"

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 16:15 5

25. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


And who the hell are you to say that the iphone is not a smartphone when all tech authorities categorizies it as a smartphone. You're dumb.

There are tons of SUCCESSFUL professionals who use the iphone, so how dare you say iphone users are stupid? Again, you are the stupid one.

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 01:43 9

2. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Oh my goodness. Whoever did the test was probably an android fanboy. How stupid of them not to use the actual safari browser and think that they could easily get away with it. Are android fanboys this desperate? I guess.

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 01:59 6

3. clevername (Posts: 1436; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)


I don't think they're fan boys at all. I'm far from an android fanboy but your comment is a bit ignorant. The article stated the reason why the browser wasn't used is because they were using a proprietary appso apple gave them the app to make the test.

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 02:36 5

7. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


But why use a proprietary app when you can use the actual safari web browser? If they didn't know that the javascript optimization is bypassed using the app, then I guess they are ones who are ignorant. And how can you say that Apple gave them the app to use for this test when Apple was the one who pointed out the flaw of this test? Duh.

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 09:51 4

20. Kjayhawk (Posts: 293; Member since: 07 Oct 2010)


Your pretty dumb... It hasn't been released to developers yet. So the developers were forced to use their own app don't blame them, blame Apple for not getting the proper Javascript engine to Blaze. WOW I JUST OWNED YOU. Apple just supplied them with the proper Javascript engine to run this app. I repeat it has not been given to any third party developers like Blaze! Please stop pretending you know what you are talking about!!!

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 16:21 4

26. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


The iphone has been out since 2007 and you say that the safari web browser hasn't been released yet? Now that's stupid. And who the hell is blaze that Apple is subjected to submit anything to them? Blaze is an independent entity. Your stupidity owned you. Don't make up stories. Apple does not report to blaze.

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 17:19 2

32. p0rkguy (Posts: 685; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)


Apple released it to the public, not just to Blaze. Blaze used what was offered to them and now Apple is coming back saying they didn't "fully" use it because they didn't have what Apple had. A bit silly of Apple saying Blaze didn't use a feature that they weren't even capable of acquiring.

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 19:08

35. aruegas (Posts: 9; Member since: 04 Mar 2011)


So which safari is the public using? The half-baked one, or the optimized one? If you do not have the right browser, then don't even bother testing.

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 23:52

42. p0rkguy (Posts: 685; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)


Wait, so you're saying what Apple released shouldn't be tested?
Their optimization is found in the iPhone 4, not the browser itself. Apple released the browser without the full optimizations available on the iPhone 4. Who's to blame for that?

posted on 19 Mar 2011, 18:23

51. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


What should be published are the ones that truly matters. Who cares about beta tests and half baked browsers' test results.

posted on 19 Mar 2011, 19:34 1

54. jbash (Posts: 345; Member since: 07 Feb 2011)


blaze tested according to what they had available. yes apple's browser may be faster with its update but they didn't have that available to test. Apple basically said your data is sckewed because you haven't used our optimised browser, and no you can't use it yet.

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 02:01 7

5. p0rkguy (Posts: 685; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)


You're clearly an Apple fan boy with your post history. Practically every single one of your posts either defends Apple or degrades the competition.

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 02:37 6

8. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Of course I will defend Apple if they are being wronged. So you think that test was fair then? You're clearly an Apple hater :)

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 03:16 4

12. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Of course, when Gemini posts, all the thumb ratings go to hell.

Dude, if the test results are wrong, they're wrong. However, before I was even done reading the article I knew you and your ilk would show up, claiming that the results of testing the actual browser would totally negate these conclusions. Boy, was I right.

Now we just have to wait for your friends to show. (For some reason when I refer to other posters by name when not directly addressing them, my posts get removed-BUT YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.)

And before you start whining that I'm being a fandroid, you KNOW that you would be yelling at us if it were a discussion about XOOM vs iPad 2 benchmark tests and our speculation on how a fresh battery of tests would turn out.

And knock it off with the sock account thumb voting, will you? It doesn't do anything except expose you as a loser who can't stand to let anyone decide whether someone else's posts are good or bad for themselves.

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 16:27 4

27. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Oh and as if you do not give iphone users a thumbsdown. What a hypocrite.

And excuse me, before you bring up my presence in APPLE ARTICLES THREADS, may I remind you that you have been posting in apple articles here way before I started. Again, what a hypocrite. At least you would only see me posting comments in Apple related articles whixh makes sense because I use Apple products, unlike you who trolls in Apple related articles and don't even have the iphone.

And stop with the thumb voting thing. I don't do that. It is you who's been doing that, but when you see that readers prefer what Apple users post, you react, because you're the one with multiple accounts :)

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 18:07 1

34. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Um, no, bullshit alert. Everytime you show up the ratings flip flop with three to five spontaneous votes. It's a shameful tactic, one that I only see young earth creationists use. And I only see it happen that way when YOU, and ONLY you show up.

I only give an occasional thumb down if what's being said is incredibly stupid or inflammatory, and it can happen to either an Android or iPhone user. So that argument fails. I usually prefer to simply express my opinion.

So you failed at understanding what I said about you. I said that you'd be here to DEFEND APPLE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I don't care where the hell you post. It's your gag worthy posting content that I can't stand.

I have exactly ONE account. I've considered making a few more just to negate the effects of your bullshit, but I haven't acted on this-yet.

However, since you're most likely a troll (I can smell them a mile away) that's exactly the reaction you want. And I'm feeding you right now, but I don't care because someone needs to set the record straight with passable grammar.

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 19:13

36. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Well I could say the same to you mister. So shut up :)

Who cares about your thumb votes?! Like what you say affects Apple's success, hahahaha. But Apple's success truly affects you, lol.

If you cannot stand me and other Apple users, then stay away from Apple articles dumbass :) There should be plenty of android articles to keep your slow mind busy, so shoooo :)

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 20:31 3

39. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


He's got a point. Anyone who has any kind of opposing opinion to yours is pretty much guaranteed an instant -3 or 4. And your outlandish and sometimes offensive comments always manage to get a + 3 or 4. I guess it's just a strange coincidence that only happens with you, huh?

posted on 19 Mar 2011, 00:24 2

44. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


No, Apple's success doesn't affect me. I just like to bitch at idiots who declare it the best tech company ever, when there are other companies which are more successful (Microsoft) and/or more innovative (Google, Palm, Motorola).

Just remember that the iPhone wouldn't even exist without Motorola's contributions to the mobile industry. Motorola pretty much popularized the cell phone as we know it today, TWICE. And thank Blackberry for introducing the idea of a phone which was more than a phone. And thank Google for the maps feature on your iPhone. And thank HTC and Motorola and Android for bringing focus onto smartphone specs. Because after all, Android is about the closest you have to a PC experience on your phone that actually works.

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 01:59 4

4. p0rkguy (Posts: 685; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)


For you idiots that don't know, Blaze ran the tests with UIWebView for both OSes.
What Apple is claiming now is this, "well you didn't perform it on the iPhone 4 with it's super charged JavaScript, so your tests are wrong."
I can understand why Apple would try to defend themselves on this matter but they didn't include anything about the Nexus S not having any enhancements either. Now those enhancements may result in different results but Android is clearly the winner when it comes to the browser.
Apple clearly doesn't think the Nexus S by boosting it the same way.

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 02:42 6

9. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Oh please. Why would you test browsers without their official optimizations? The real world would always use the most recent released version which would include all optimizations. So of course this test is flawed. So how can you say that android is the clear winner? Oh maybe with downgraded browser apps android is the winner, lol. So you would just use a browser that's not updated with optimizations because it shows better results for android, lol.

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 09:36 3

19. p0rkguy (Posts: 685; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)


I love how this already infested with Apple Trolls that aren't capable of saying much so the most they can do is thumb down.

Back on topic - Why are you so close minded when talking about Apple? I don't think you're comprehending it correctly, the BROWSER in Android is clearly the winner. If I had said the Android browser is the winner compared to the iPhone 4's BROWSER, then it would have been false.
You're really not understanding the concept of the comparison.
Apple is claiming Blaze didn't use the JS found in 4.3, which is true, but what makes you think the Nexus S isn't capable of using a JS to enhance/speed up the browser experience also?
I like Apple, just not the ignorants that aren't able to defend it properly. I don't like to assume things but chances are you're somebody that didn't know much about technology until Apple opened the doors for you.

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 16:33 4

28. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Again, another troll accusing other trolls from trolling around. How dumb. Just shut up. We're all on the same page here.

How is the browser in android the clear winner when the test was flawed? How would you feel if iphone4 is being compared to a beta android device and the iphone wins? As for capability, android devices are not even capable of scrolling and pinch to zoom smoothly, hahahaha, much more JS.

Oh and please stop assuming what other people know. It makes you look dumber than you already are :)

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 17:14 3

31. p0rkguy (Posts: 685; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)


Troll accusing other trolls? Find a time where I've trolled someone on this site. I've been giving facts throughout the whole site. What have you been doing? Oh right, criticizing anything that was a competition for Apple when the topic isn't even related. Shows a lot about what an Apple user is capable of, no?

Then why was the Android browser capable of beating Safari?They both started evenly and Android won the race, now Apple is saying it's flawed because they didn't use grease lightning on it which is available on the iPhone 4s.
You're clearly not reading but that's okay, there will always people be willing to learn and those that refuse to learn anything once proved wrong.

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 19:19

37. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


What facts? The only fact that you've proven is that you're a low life hater :) Shows a lot on how jealous and bitter android fanboys like you are.

The only reason why your android browser beat safari is because they were using a half baked safari version. There are plenty of articles where the iphone4 performed better than any android devices. Especially articles from last June or July last year when the iphone4 was released :)

posted on 18 Mar 2011, 23:59 2

43. p0rkguy (Posts: 685; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)


Hi aruegas. :)
Not optimized on the iPhone 4? Yes.
Half baked Safari? No.
It was Apple's own release of the Safari. Techies are going to test it against the competition if you release it publicly. Much like what has happened to IE9, which was just released a few days ago.

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