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Upcoming quad-core phones recap

0. phoneArena 23 Mar 2012, 09:44 posted on

We list all the announced or expected quad-core phones from the spring crop, and, while you still can't go out and buy a handset with quad-core processor, the moment of truth is drawing near...

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posted on 23 Mar 2012, 10:23 9

1. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


ONE X!

posted on 23 Mar 2012, 11:42 7

8. HGMIV (Posts: 52; Member since: 15 Feb 2012)


I would be excited withyou, but I live in the US...

posted on 23 Mar 2012, 14:15 3

16. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


The oneX was unofficially confirmed for Tmo USA. If its using the new pentaband radios that most peeps are going to, u can unlock it and use it on ATT or other GSM carriers.

posted on 24 Mar 2012, 08:46

31. HGMIV (Posts: 52; Member since: 15 Feb 2012)


In the US, at least with the AT&T version, it won't have a quad-core because they're using the LTE radio.

posted on 23 Mar 2012, 18:14

24. Mario1017 (Posts: 336; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)


The S4 is more powerful than the Tegra 3.

posted on 23 Mar 2012, 19:16

25. JGuinan007 (Posts: 687; Member since: 19 May 2011)


Oh yeah is the S4 more powerful than the Exynos 4412?

posted on 24 Mar 2012, 18:53

38. Mario1017 (Posts: 336; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)


It could be, ywe'll just have to wait. (you're also forgetting that the s4 is a dual core)

posted on 24 Mar 2012, 17:17

33. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


uh, no, no its not. They are about even but the T3 has more pulling power, as demonstrated by the OneX vs OneS head to head. The T3 pulled ahead in many tests while runing 70% more pixels at the same time.

posted on 24 Mar 2012, 18:52 1

37. Mario1017 (Posts: 336; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)


you are talking about gpu perfornamce, that is where the t3 is better. the S4 processes faster. And the One X has 43% more pixels, not 75...

posted on 24 Mar 2012, 19:58

40. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


" Keep that difference in mind as the One X does have more (around 77%) pixels than the One S."

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5584/htcs-new-strategy-the-htc-one

Ill trust anandtech, thanks. Its more than just the GPU. No matter what you try to believe, the chips are on semi equal ground, but when push comes to shove, there are things that 4 cores are better than 2 at. Especially when your competitor is a crapdragon.

posted on 24 Mar 2012, 22:05 2

44. Mario1017 (Posts: 336; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)


You would rather trust a site than simple math? The S has a total of 518400 pixels, the X has 921600 pixels.
518400*100/921600=56.25. The S has 56% of the pixels the X has, meaning the X has 43.75% more.
People used to say that about Samsung, what happened?

posted on 24 Mar 2012, 22:13

45. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


show me your link to your information. And yes, I trust anandtech very much, ive been reading them for probably 15 years now. You are just a blue name on a random internet board.

and people use to say what about samsung?

posted on 25 Mar 2012, 00:38

47. Mario1017 (Posts: 336; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)


show you a link to math? people used to say things like what you said about snapdragon about Samsung. they used to be s**t, so where there cameras (and their tvs still are)

posted on 25 Mar 2012, 01:20

50. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


the conclusions we make and especially about Qualcomm come from a consistent basis. Samsung has been holding the lead in mobile SoCs for the past two generations while Qualcomm has consistently been the worst. until there is evidence to the contrary that would clear up their name remixfa's "Crapdragon" nickname will remain a solid fixture in my picky and peculiar mind.

posted on 25 Mar 2012, 01:31 1

51. Mario1017 (Posts: 336; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)


samsung has been holding the lead in mobile SoCs? that title belonged to TI. and last year qualcomm shipped more. samsung has never been in the lead in mobile processor shippments.http://pcper.com/news/Mobile/Qualcomm-Shipped-Most-Smartphone-and-Tablet-GPUs-2011
Have you ever used a phone with a qualcomm processor for more than 5 months? a year? Since you hate them so much i doubt you have, you are going by other people's judgments of the company.

posted on 25 Mar 2012, 03:03

52. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


who said anything about total annual shipments? all i'm talking about is the chips's power. the Hummingbird and the OMAP3 were neck at neck there for the lead in 2010 and in 2011 the Exynos 4210 killed it. i've had 3 in my household. 1 of which i'm using myself still. the phones i've actually had are listed on my profile for your reference. i'm going by my own findings. if you think i'm just following everything remixfa is saying blindly you're sadly mistaken. why are you so far up Qualcomm's butt anyway? the evidence against them is monumental.

posted on 02 Apr 2012, 20:36

61. jazz_ (Posts: 1; Member since: 02 Apr 2012)


That math shows that S has 56.25% pixels of X.

To calculate how much "more" pixels X has than S, u do:

921600 - 518400 = 403200
403200 / 518400 * 100 = 77.78

So the X has 77.78% more pixels than S.

posted on 24 Mar 2012, 23:13

46. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


i'd give the S4 the solid lead in terms of CPU performance in practical terms because remember apps and games have to be updated to support quad-cores even though ICS does have native support it.

http://www.gsmarena.com/qualcomm_s4_chipset_benchmarks_promise_amazing_performance-news-3860.php

definitely agree that this can still be safely regarded as a next generation crapdragon though especially when we're talking about Adreno graphics. the 225 isn't even bad but Qualcomm has the gal to use it in a next generation SoC where it'll be compared to the SGX543(MP4) and the Mali T-604. i know it's a temporary arrangement but it doesn't do any justice for actual phones like this first wave of Ones.

posted on 25 Mar 2012, 00:43 1

48. Mario1017 (Posts: 336; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)


The 225 is benchmarked as just as good as the tegra 3 (only a few fps lower, like 5)http://www.anandtech.com/show/5584/htcs-new-strate%E2%80%8Bgy-the-htc-one
It does quite a lot of justice for actual phones.

posted on 25 Mar 2012, 01:13 1

49. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


you're so short sighted. i'm talking about in comparison to GPUs like the two examples i just gave to you, one of which is on the market right now. they can beat the 225 and even Nvidia's GeForce Graphics effortlessly therefore the Ones will be dropping to lower pedestals pretty soon after their arrival and to people like you and me that care about every MFLOP a processor can muster up a couple of months would and should certainly be worth waiting for what the competition will be offering.

posted on 25 Mar 2012, 09:08 1

54. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


my point exactly.

The S4 is a 50% upgrade from the S3. Sounds like a lot until you put it up against the competition.. then its what.. 15% better than an exynos at best? Thats an incremental upgrade.. especially when the 4212 quad core is supposed to be nearly double the power of the current exynos. When the quadcore 5250 comes out, its going to make the S4 look like an S1.

Crapdragon went with a crap GPU compared to everyone else to try to rush the S4 out the door to say "look at me, im first!". Well, obviously something went wrong since its being delayed. That delay is costing the current S4 any chance of relevancy. Like I said, its slated to go through 3 GPU changes in a short period of time. By the time the 3rd GPU change comes out for its quad core version, the OMAP4, T4, and 5250 quadcore will all be out. The 5250 quadcore is getting its own GPU upgrade as well.

Qualcomms current roadmap looks amazing... until you compare it to everyone else. Then you realize they are yet again.. in last place. To the average user, ANY chip that is coming out this year is going to be more than enough, but people that pour over stats are not average users, are they?

The race, as I see it, will be between OMAP4 and Exynos 5250 for the "king of 2012". Especially if Ti brings an upgraded PowerVR GPU back to the table for the omap4. The exynos-mali is a great chip, but powerVR is ahead of everyone.

I am not a samsung fanboy, and i do not specifically hate qualcomm. I am a chip geek. I go where the power is. That power has never been in qualcomms hands. Maybe one day their "alternate from ARM" strategy will pay off, but so far it has only done them harm. The only reason they are viable at all is that they sell their chips cheap and mass produce them.

BTW, as far as sales go, when comparing chips, you need to include Apple's A4/ A5 chips in with samsung sales, since they are sister chips to the hummingbird/exynos line.

posted on 23 Mar 2012, 10:32 4

2. daniel_bargs (Posts: 325; Member since: 27 Nov 2010)


really like the LG 4x. stunning design. reliable brand. also like the huawei and ZTE devices... HTC one x is really disappointing. NO MICROSD slot? the hell...i will settle for huawei and ZTE over this HTC one x.

posted on 23 Mar 2012, 13:56 5

13. Chronos (Posts: 258; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)


The Ascend D Quad XL and the Galaxy S III are the only two quad-core phones in the article that I'm excited for.

posted on 23 Mar 2012, 14:37 2

20. Cwebb (Posts: 501; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)


Stunning design? Reliable brand? Nice sarcasm

posted on 23 Mar 2012, 10:33 3

3. abdane (Posts: 494; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)


S3 !!!

posted on 23 Mar 2012, 10:39 6

4. jabberwocky (Posts: 89; Member since: 21 Feb 2012)


As a US customer, I find it funny (strange and disappointing, not haha) that the One X is apparently NOT a quad-core phone for the US markets. Nice move on HTC's part, introducing a quad-core phone for publicity that will never appear in the largest US markets. I wonder if people would rather have a quad-core 3G phone or a dual-core 4G phone - since that appears to be the choice? Seems the carriers think it's 4G...

I will admit that as a consumer, I am not as excited about quad-core itself because I will gladly sacrifice performance for better battery life anyday, but the new generations of chips give me hope that they will have better battery life. I guess that remains to be seen (although it has definitely already been marketed that way).

Also, I really look for a phone to include all features (NFC seems to be the sometimes-included feature, like Bluetooth was when I bought my last phone) available. I just don't consider quad-core a "feature" - to me it's simply a means to an end (good performance). I may be in the minority, but I DO consider removable (and therefore expandable and replaceable) battery and expandable memory to be a feature. To me it is sad that the manufacturers think quad-core is a feature but not expandable battery and memory.

Quite honestly, if the One S had NFC or a removeable battery and expandable storage, that would probably be my phone hands down. As it is, I am left waiting to see what the Galaxy S 3 offers.

posted on 23 Mar 2012, 11:21 1

5. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


Do you know the different between the two beside the number of core? Now this is the new thing with want-a-be tech. more core equal better. But that is not true.
A newer chipset like an single A15 is better then a dual core A9 and so on.
Quad core is better of battery life if it is base on the same chip, So in order of increase battery life. Quad, Dual, Single.
But the size of a chip make a different too. So the Dual core One X is 28 nm and the quad is 40 nm so that would make a different.

posted on 23 Mar 2012, 14:18 1

17. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


unfortunately there is no true A15's coming out any time soon. And lets not get started on that S4 "A15 equivilant" bullcrap. It either is or isnt.. and it isnt.

I would take a dual core A9 32nm over a single core A15. You gain the battery benefits of having 2 cores running lower, as well as the multithreading and multichannel benefits that come with dual cores. The A15 is more elegant, but in that comparison, the A9 32nm would be the better choice.

posted on 23 Mar 2012, 14:01

14. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


Couldn't agree more with every point you made (although I'm stuck on VZW, to whom HTC only provides mid range devices). A nice, well written post.

posted on 23 Mar 2012, 14:19 5

18. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


yeah because the Rezound is sooo mid-end. :P

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