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16. remixfa posted on 23 Mar 2012, 14:15 3 1
The oneX was unofficially confirmed for Tmo USA. If its using the new pentaband radios that most peeps are going to, u can unlock it and use it on ATT or other GSM carriers.
31. HGMIV posted on 24 Mar 2012, 08:46 0 0
In the US, at least with the AT&T version, it won't have a quad-core because they're using the LTE radio.
25. JGuinan007 posted on 23 Mar 2012, 19:16 0 0
Oh yeah is the S4 more powerful than the Exynos 4412?
38. Mario1017 posted on 24 Mar 2012, 18:53 0 0
It could be, ywe'll just have to wait. (you're also forgetting that the s4 is a dual core)
33. remixfa posted on 24 Mar 2012, 17:17 0 0
uh, no, no its not. They are about even but the T3 has more pulling power, as demonstrated by the OneX vs OneS head to head. The T3 pulled ahead in many tests while runing 70% more pixels at the same time.
37. Mario1017 posted on 24 Mar 2012, 18:52 1 0
you are talking about gpu perfornamce, that is where the t3 is better. the S4 processes faster. And the One X has 43% more pixels, not 75...
40. remixfa posted on 24 Mar 2012, 19:58 0 1
" Keep that difference in mind as the One X does have more (around 77%) pixels than the One S."
Ill trust anandtech, thanks. Its more than just the GPU. No matter what you try to believe, the chips are on semi equal ground, but when push comes to shove, there are things that 4 cores are better than 2 at. Especially when your competitor is a crapdragon.
44. Mario1017 posted on 24 Mar 2012, 22:05 2 0
You would rather trust a site than simple math? The S has a total of 518400 pixels, the X has 921600 pixels.
518400*100/921600=56.25. The S has 56% of the pixels the X has, meaning the X has 43.75% more.
People used to say that about Samsung, what happened?
45. remixfa posted on 24 Mar 2012, 22:13 0 3
show me your link to your information. And yes, I trust anandtech very much, ive been reading them for probably 15 years now. You are just a blue name on a random internet board.
and people use to say what about samsung?
47. Mario1017 posted on 25 Mar 2012, 00:38 0 0
show you a link to math? people used to say things like what you said about snapdragon about Samsung. they used to be s**t, so where there cameras (and their tvs still are)
50. KingKurogiii posted on 25 Mar 2012, 01:20 0 0
the conclusions we make and especially about Qualcomm come from a consistent basis. Samsung has been holding the lead in mobile SoCs for the past two generations while Qualcomm has consistently been the worst. until there is evidence to the contrary that would clear up their name remixfa's "Crapdragon" nickname will remain a solid fixture in my picky and peculiar mind.
51. Mario1017 posted on 25 Mar 2012, 01:31 1 0
samsung has been holding the lead in mobile SoCs? that title belonged to TI. and last year qualcomm shipped more. samsung has never been in the lead in mobile processor shippments.http://pcper.com/news/Mobile/Q
Have you ever used a phone with a qualcomm processor for more than 5 months? a year? Since you hate them so much i doubt you have, you are going by other people's judgments of the company.
52. KingKurogiii posted on 25 Mar 2012, 03:03 0 0
who said anything about total annual shipments? all i'm talking about is the chips's power. the Hummingbird and the OMAP3 were neck at neck there for the lead in 2010 and in 2011 the Exynos 4210 killed it. i've had 3 in my household. 1 of which i'm using myself still. the phones i've actually had are listed on my profile for your reference. i'm going by my own findings. if you think i'm just following everything remixfa is saying blindly you're sadly mistaken. why are you so far up Qualcomm's butt anyway? the evidence against them is monumental.
61. jazz_ posted on 02 Apr 2012, 20:36 0 0
That math shows that S has 56.25% pixels of X.
To calculate how much "more" pixels X has than S, u do:
921600 - 518400 = 403200
403200 / 518400 * 100 = 77.78
So the X has 77.78% more pixels than S.
46. KingKurogiii posted on 24 Mar 2012, 23:13 0 0
i'd give the S4 the solid lead in terms of CPU performance in practical terms because remember apps and games have to be updated to support quad-cores even though ICS does have native support it.
definitely agree that this can still be safely regarded as a next generation crapdragon though especially when we're talking about Adreno graphics. the 225 isn't even bad but Qualcomm has the gal to use it in a next generation SoC where it'll be compared to the SGX543(MP4) and the Mali T-604. i know it's a temporary arrangement but it doesn't do any justice for actual phones like this first wave of Ones.
48. Mario1017 posted on 25 Mar 2012, 00:43 1 2
The 225 is benchmarked as just as good as the tegra 3 (only a few fps lower, like 5)http://www.anandtech.com/show/
It does quite a lot of justice for actual phones.
49. KingKurogiii posted on 25 Mar 2012, 01:13 1 1
you're so short sighted. i'm talking about in comparison to GPUs like the two examples i just gave to you, one of which is on the market right now. they can beat the 225 and even Nvidia's GeForce Graphics effortlessly therefore the Ones will be dropping to lower pedestals pretty soon after their arrival and to people like you and me that care about every MFLOP a processor can muster up a couple of months would and should certainly be worth waiting for what the competition will be offering.
54. remixfa posted on 25 Mar 2012, 09:08 1 2
my point exactly.
The S4 is a 50% upgrade from the S3. Sounds like a lot until you put it up against the competition.. then its what.. 15% better than an exynos at best? Thats an incremental upgrade.. especially when the 4212 quad core is supposed to be nearly double the power of the current exynos. When the quadcore 5250 comes out, its going to make the S4 look like an S1.
Crapdragon went with a crap GPU compared to everyone else to try to rush the S4 out the door to say "look at me, im first!". Well, obviously something went wrong since its being delayed. That delay is costing the current S4 any chance of relevancy. Like I said, its slated to go through 3 GPU changes in a short period of time. By the time the 3rd GPU change comes out for its quad core version, the OMAP4, T4, and 5250 quadcore will all be out. The 5250 quadcore is getting its own GPU upgrade as well.
Qualcomms current roadmap looks amazing... until you compare it to everyone else. Then you realize they are yet again.. in last place. To the average user, ANY chip that is coming out this year is going to be more than enough, but people that pour over stats are not average users, are they?
The race, as I see it, will be between OMAP4 and Exynos 5250 for the "king of 2012". Especially if Ti brings an upgraded PowerVR GPU back to the table for the omap4. The exynos-mali is a great chip, but powerVR is ahead of everyone.
I am not a samsung fanboy, and i do not specifically hate qualcomm. I am a chip geek. I go where the power is. That power has never been in qualcomms hands. Maybe one day their "alternate from ARM" strategy will pay off, but so far it has only done them harm. The only reason they are viable at all is that they sell their chips cheap and mass produce them.
BTW, as far as sales go, when comparing chips, you need to include Apple's A4/ A5 chips in with samsung sales, since they are sister chips to the hummingbird/exynos line.
2. daniel_bargs posted on 23 Mar 2012, 10:32 4 4
really like the LG 4x. stunning design. reliable brand. also like the huawei and ZTE devices... HTC one x is really disappointing. NO MICROSD slot? the hell...i will settle for huawei and ZTE over this HTC one x.
13. Chronos posted on 23 Mar 2012, 13:56 5 0
The Ascend D Quad XL and the Galaxy S III are the only two quad-core phones in the article that I'm excited for.
4. jabberwocky posted on 23 Mar 2012, 10:39 6 0
As a US customer, I find it funny (strange and disappointing, not haha) that the One X is apparently NOT a quad-core phone for the US markets. Nice move on HTC's part, introducing a quad-core phone for publicity that will never appear in the largest US markets. I wonder if people would rather have a quad-core 3G phone or a dual-core 4G phone - since that appears to be the choice? Seems the carriers think it's 4G...
I will admit that as a consumer, I am not as excited about quad-core itself because I will gladly sacrifice performance for better battery life anyday, but the new generations of chips give me hope that they will have better battery life. I guess that remains to be seen (although it has definitely already been marketed that way).
Also, I really look for a phone to include all features (NFC seems to be the sometimes-included feature, like Bluetooth was when I bought my last phone) available. I just don't consider quad-core a "feature" - to me it's simply a means to an end (good performance). I may be in the minority, but I DO consider removable (and therefore expandable and replaceable) battery and expandable memory to be a feature. To me it is sad that the manufacturers think quad-core is a feature but not expandable battery and memory.
Quite honestly, if the One S had NFC or a removeable battery and expandable storage, that would probably be my phone hands down. As it is, I am left waiting to see what the Galaxy S 3 offers.
5. ngo2dd posted on 23 Mar 2012, 11:21 1 1
Do you know the different between the two beside the number of core? Now this is the new thing with want-a-be tech. more core equal better. But that is not true.
A newer chipset like an single A15 is better then a dual core A9 and so on.
Quad core is better of battery life if it is base on the same chip, So in order of increase battery life. Quad, Dual, Single.
But the size of a chip make a different too. So the Dual core One X is 28 nm and the quad is 40 nm so that would make a different.
17. remixfa posted on 23 Mar 2012, 14:18 1 2
unfortunately there is no true A15's coming out any time soon. And lets not get started on that S4 "A15 equivilant" bullcrap. It either is or isnt.. and it isnt.
I would take a dual core A9 32nm over a single core A15. You gain the battery benefits of having 2 cores running lower, as well as the multithreading and multichannel benefits that come with dual cores. The A15 is more elegant, but in that comparison, the A9 32nm would be the better choice.
14. maxican16 posted on 23 Mar 2012, 14:01 0 2
Couldn't agree more with every point you made (although I'm stuck on VZW, to whom HTC only provides mid range devices). A nice, well written post.
18. KingKurogiii posted on 23 Mar 2012, 14:19 5 0
yeah because the Rezound is sooo mid-end. :P
53. maxican16 posted on 25 Mar 2012, 07:19 0 0
ok.. /mostly/ mid-ranged devices. =] the stock thunderbolt is a horrible phone. all the HTC One announcements came and went, with no mention of VZW as a landing spot. sorry HTC fans, just telling it like it is.
6. Tommyp1972 posted on 23 Mar 2012, 11:30 1 0
I'm looking to future proof myself for the next 2 years on my contract and it would seem that a Quad Core..even though right now it can't be fully utilized ..is still the way to go for apps down the road..say in the next year or 2.....
7. Tommyp1972 posted on 23 Mar 2012, 11:31 0 0
but since Verizon and the other 4G carries will only comply with a dual core then I'm stuck in the mud with a Dual Core sadly
15. maxican16 posted on 23 Mar 2012, 14:10 0 0
Well, quad-core isn't the only way to go... I know chips with 28 nm tech have already beaten the Tegra 3. Not sure when they'll be available, but A15 architecture chips will also catapult dual-cores beyond the quad-cores currently released.
That being said, I think there's hope for quad-core to work with LTE.. I thought Samsung was saying they're going with a quad-core SOC that has the radios built right into it (don't have a link, but I think it was a PA article). The question is what frequencies those radios are, and if they're compatible with US carriers.
32. McLTE posted on 24 Mar 2012, 11:10 0 0
What are you talking about?
There is no conspiracy with Verizon or any other US carriers only wanting dual core phones with 4G.. it's a technology thing.
Right now LTE isn't compatible with many of the quad core processors, nor the exynos.. I expect that to all change soon!
I'm very excited to see what the S3 brings as it's supposed to support LTE with Exynos, on their own chip. I just hope it gets better reception than my Nexus!
What I would REALLY like to see, and would buy off contract in a heartbeat is a Samsung Galaxy Note 2.. 5.3" screen, Quad core and LTE. DROOL!
34. remixfa posted on 24 Mar 2012, 17:21 0 0
correct. The T3 and the Exynos 4210 are not LTE capable. Nor is the exynos 4210 42mb/s HSPA+ capable. That is why these chips are unfortunately replaced by crapdragon chips in the states.
The exynos 4212 (A9) Quad and 5250 (A15) have about the same amount of horsepower. Both will be able to use LTE/ HSPA+ as samsung has fixed the issues.
Nvidia is supposedly trying to get LTE to work with the T3, but if not the T4 wont be too long down the pipe.. probaly by Fall.
The S4 is not an A15, dont fall for advertising. It is about as strong as an Exynos 4210 (SGS2) and T3, though the quad cores in the T3 give it advantages over all current dual cores for high end number crunching.
36. ngo2dd posted on 24 Mar 2012, 18:24 0 0
Why do you keep saying the S4 is only as strong as the Exynos when you the number prove that you are wrong? First the Anandtech benmark test told us how strong the S4. But you keep saying the same s**t. What proof do you have? Please show us some number.
I have number for you.
HTC one S Quadrant: 4,828
Copy and paste it on your URL if the link don't work.
That is more then the SGS2 stock quadrant score.
39. KingKurogiii posted on 24 Mar 2012, 19:51 0 0
you're putting the 4210 a little out of it's league when comparing it to the Tegra III and the S4 even i have to admit... o:
41. remixfa posted on 24 Mar 2012, 20:03 0 0
ive said it slightly out performs the 4210 multiple times.
But in real world, its not so strong as to say its superior in every way. They are on decently equal ground. Pretty sad for a chip coming out in like may/june 2012 when you can only compare it to a chip that came out may 2011. When the 4212 comes out, the S4 will start to be the bargain chip i keep trying to tell you it is. When the 5250, OMAP4, and T4 comes out, u will stop thinking about the S4.
should i have to repeat myself over and over and over again? its not like anyone listens anyways. You guys believe what-cha want. We can just keep making bets about how powerful the S4 is,and when it comes time, ill just take everyone's money. :)
42. ngo2dd posted on 24 Mar 2012, 20:49 0 0
How is it slightly strong then the 4410 when it is on par with turn T3?. So you are telling us that scoring more then 1k higher then the 4410 is slightly stronger. So the 4410 is slightly better then the the S3 because outside of HTC devices the S3 score is only 200-300 higher then the 4410.
By the time those chip come out the quad core S4 will be out.
43. remixfa posted on 24 Mar 2012, 21:53 1 0
dude, no one pays attention to quadrant anymore. seriously. its long past its prime. might as well hold some linpack scores up while your at it.
The quadcore S4 isnt slated until christmas 2012 at the earliest, which means it likely wont be out until Q1 2013 with all the normal delays and such. the 4412 quadcore is going to be released at about the same time as the S4 dual core since its being pushed back, if all rumors on both sides are true. The 5250 exynos is supposed to be in their flagship tablet that is being announced about the same time as the SGS3.
Im not interested in continually comparing 2012 chips to 2011, when there is a whole new line up of chips coming out that all smash the 2011 chips. If comparing the 2012 S4 to the 2011 Exynos 4210 makes you happy, then go for it. Exynos is and was king. Its being replaced. That is the nature of the business. Whos the new king? The new exynos 4212 for now, then it will be between the 5250,T4, and the Omap4 depending on what TI brings to the table.
The T3 is an interm chip, just like the S4. They are meant to say "we are first to xxxx", to get brand recognition. Neither chip will last long in their current configuration. The S4 is slated to go through what.. 3 GPU changes in the next 8 months. Thats a lot, even for electronics. This current S4 that you are so defensive about is the transitional chip. here today, gone tomorrow. The only other interm chip slated for this year is the exynos 4212 which will only be around long enough to build up stock in the 5250 line. But of the 3 interm chips (4212, T3, S4), the 4212 is by far the strongest... A9 or not.
like i said, ill happily take bets if you like. we can get a little bet board going and exchange paypal account info. im happy to put my knowledge where my wallet is.
55. ngo2dd posted on 25 Mar 2012, 12:23 0 0
If no one is interested in quadrant, then why were you the one keep using it? The S4 is not a 50% increase. Please show us that it is a 50%. When you betting superevo you were using quadrant. You keeping say it is only slightly strong but when the data prove that you are wrong, you still say the same stuff all the time.
56. KingKurogiii posted on 25 Mar 2012, 12:45 1 0
you're not taking my money. i know what's up. o:
btw the next SoC in the OMAP series is the 5th not the 4th... xD
57. remixfa posted on 25 Mar 2012, 13:10 1 0
doh, ive been saying 4 this whole thread.. LOL. woopsie amazing that the only guy in the thread that mostly agrees with me is the only person that knows enough to catch that. :)
The only reason i bring up quadrant at all is because its easy to compare numbers since its been around a while. The numbers have changed a bit since quadrant can now use both cores in its benchmarking, where before it wouldnt, so the whole chip gammut needs to be rerun. However, those numbers are easily messed with. The I/O scores are very easily manipulated (which is also what a linpack tests). I've called samsung out on that many times since they like to manipulate I/O on the crapdragon S3 chips.
If you are going to use quadrant, then use the new quadrant paid version for the most accurate (though still not very) version of numbers. Then take the I/O section out completely so that way its testing only total cpu+gpu without the artificial inflation of the total score.
And where did i get 50%?
"On the CPU centric tests Basemark OS is showing anywhere from a 20% - 80% increase in performance over the 1.5 GHz APQ8060 based HTC Rezound."
half way between 20 and 80% = 50% average
but those numbers were found on Qualcomm's reference design, not in real world chip usage. When the real world usage popped out, it was substantially lower. Yes, still impressive when compared to 2011 chips, but we are in 2012.
58. KingKurogiii posted on 25 Mar 2012, 20:44 0 0
yeah, i'm kind of burnt from Quadrant. Antutu is what i generally use now.
59. remixfa posted on 25 Mar 2012, 21:45 1 0
I use antutu, smartbench, quadrant full (so i can take out the i/o scores..lol) nenamark2, and a few others and just kind of compare them. Im partial to nenamark, just because i like flying around that little tree and house for some reason.. lolz.
9. fay99 posted on 23 Mar 2012, 12:32 3 2
Some ipad owners will experience real challenges when trying to understand this article, as the writer had not clearly stated that he's NOT talking about the GPU
21. c.hack posted on 23 Mar 2012, 14:43 0 9
Cool - quad core for an OS that only handles a single core. You can throw 16 core at Android and live wallpaper will still stall and stutter. Besides 2 hours of battery life instead of 4, droids can now crash faster and run viruses at top speed.
But keep throwing better specs at the problem. Fandroids think more CPUs will fix their bug riddled OS.
26. fay99 posted on 23 Mar 2012, 19:17 1 0
hahahaha...dude, you are a very creative barista with zero or even minus knowledge. you are imagining a cell phone is as simple as your coffee machine. you need to stop believing in what you've imagined, or your creativity will lead you believe your mom is a guy one day.
35. remixfa posted on 24 Mar 2012, 17:22 1 0
ICS is multicore optimized and GPU optimized. It also gives a large boost in battery life without having to use a massive battery to compensate, unlike iOS5 which took a dive in battery life.
There goes your entire arguement.
10. InspectorGadget80 posted on 23 Mar 2012, 12:34 1 0
Don't like the ONE X due to it's non removeavle battery or SD Card Support. I'd rather choose the LG 4X or wait for the SG III
22. c.hack posted on 23 Mar 2012, 14:44 0 2
I'm waiting for the SGVII 4G 3D Prime with 20 cores and 2 minutes of battery life.
12. KingKurogiii posted on 23 Mar 2012, 13:07 1 0
the only ones i like are the 4X and the SIII. o:
19. remixfa posted on 23 Mar 2012, 14:21 1 2
SGS3 is of course on my top of the list.. then there is a gap.. then everything else. That fujitsu one or whatever it was, looked intriguing.. if not for all the benefits of a big screened quadcore as well as the bigger camera and waterproofing. If it has mod support... in english... it might be a nice runner up.
27. twenti7 posted on 23 Mar 2012, 20:16 2 0
I just realized something. Compare the supposed image of the Galaxy S III here:
To the Galaxy S Wi-Fi 4.2 Here:
29. dekay84 posted on 24 Mar 2012, 02:03 0 0
the only thing that would maybe make the samsung s3 worth the probably insane pricing is if it had the cortex a15 inside it
30. rihel_95 posted on 24 Mar 2012, 02:09 0 1
thumbs up if u agree dat nokia will enter this race next year!