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Ultra-low cost revolution Part 2: which platform wins?

0. phoneArena 21 Aug 2012, 22:05 posted on

Ultra-low cost devices are the biggest segment that no one talks about, but that doesn't mean that the companies providing the platforms aren't planning for them. But, the real question is: which platform has the best shot to be the face of this emerging market segment...

This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 18:09 8

1. mercorp (Posts: 1030; Member since: 28 Jan 2012)


may the best platform win.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 18:18 8

2. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)


I'm amazed that this author attempted to write about low cost emerging market mobile OS's and never once mentioned S40. Nokia's "feature" phone OS allows the user to download apps, has built in navigation, e-mail, messaging, etc. It only lacks multi-tasking...which last time I checked puts it in the ballpark of IOS and WP7.5. Nokia is selling over 90 Million of these devices a QUARTER.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 18:48 11

6. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


I had considered it, but felt that S40 wasn't really in the "smartphone" world. Still, it should have gotten a mention. I'll fix that.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 19:29 1

9. kindlefireowner (Posts: 503; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)


What security risk with gingerbread are you talking about.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 20:56 3

12. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


It is far easier to get malware onto Gingerbread because it doesn't employ ASLR

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 21:08

15. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


touched optimized S40 devices are smartphone aren't they? Based on experience, it could be the best platform for "ultra-low" cost phones. Android just can't really do it that well when put on a low spec phone.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 21:19 2

19. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)


basically they are not smartphone OS... it can be called a smartphone if it can multitask..S40 cant do that.. you need to kill the apps before returning to menu and read or reply on a message...

i have a java base cheap smartphone, cheaper than s40 phone.. it can multitask.. i can read and reply to messages while my app is still running on background...

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 21:28

21. redmd (Posts: 1279; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)


I thought you were talking about IOS in the first paragraph.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 21:46 1

29. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)


thumbs down me... but you cant change the truth that s40 cant multitask... and all its apps are java...

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 22:12

33. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


I don't know that the definition of "smartphone" was all about multitasking.. back in the days, people would call n95 a smartphone. Even this phone was called a smartphone:
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_3230-review-33.php

oh, anyway, definition changes as time passes by.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 23:38

34. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)


well ok...maybe its not.. but we are living today... so smartphones basically needs multitasking and rich ecosystem... and s40 dont have that!! symbian has multitasking and decent set of apps (100,000 is i think plenty...)

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 02:18

38. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


Nokia should have used s60 in asha lineup instead of s40
Why have a feature+ OS on a asha with the 1ghz CPU ?
Honestly my n97 is a lot better with 1ghz CPU but its slow because Nokia put in a lousy 434 MHz CPU

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 03:54

41. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1533; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)


Michael, thanks for the good article.
Are you sure that "Smartphones have surpassed 50% of the mobile device shipments worldwide"?
I highly doubt it, as per the last sales report 150 mill smartphones were sold out of 400 mill, that's still less than 40%.
http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=2120015
Are shipments really that different from real sales?

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 18:27 1

3. snowgator (Posts: 3600; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


Windows Phone Tango (Nokia 610) was designed with just that in mind. I do think 7.5/7.8 could be used, but Tango was designed for low end builds, less RAM, and smooth operation on the low end.

Stoli89 sure has a point, though. Hard to argue with 90 million devices a year.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 21:30 4

22. redmd (Posts: 1279; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)


Cut the price of Nokia 610 in half and now we're talking ultra-low cost.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 21:52 1

31. snowgator (Posts: 3600; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


Point taken.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 22:02

32. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)


they should really need to cut downt the price.. both BB7 and WP7 devices.. since they both wont be upgraded to BB10 and WP8 respectively...

but in my place lumia 800 go down... before it was like 24990 now ith 19990.. but still pricey for a phone that wount be supported....

same goes to BlackBerry... samsung's last flagship cut down its price but BB's high end and flagship (Torch and Bold) still pricey...

posted on 22 Aug 2012, 00:43

36. denied911 (banned) (Posts: 361; Member since: 31 May 2012)


glaxy y&mini baby
that's low cost

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 18:35

4. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


For low cost...they all win as long as the price is right and the phone, software works fine.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 18:39 2

5. webOSlove (unregistered)


I WISH webOS would make a comeback in these market s

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 21:45 1

28. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)


yeah.. i was hoping it too... i mean once upon a time webOS was US most love OS... but HP make a stupidiest move.. and destroy webOS... but thank to some effort of firing the CEO, webOS might be awaken from its long slumber... it will be open source and it might be a threat to android..but it will use the most advance linux kernel... android is currently on 3.1 linux and newly open webOS is 3.3...

i dont know what kernel will jolla OS use.. jolla is the baby of meego and mer... a true linux!

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 18:53 3

7. POLICE (banned) (Posts: 61; Member since: 21 Aug 2012)


By the way, nice article as usual Michael H.
Hope they all do well.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 19:24 1

8. someguy (Posts: 2; Member since: 21 Aug 2012)


Oops, you forgot Mozilla and their upcoming Firefox OS, which is specifically targeting low cost mobile phones and markets like Brazil:

http://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2012/07/02/firefox-mobile-os/

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 21:06

14. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)


its not ready for primetime... i think this article is focusing on emerging market... basically firefox OS is not suitable on that market.. its basically all internet base, HTML5 codes, apps, etc.. so during offline, the phone is dead...

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 14:53

49. webOSlove (unregistered)


webOS was internet based as well, and it ran just fine on phones . in 2009, it wasnt ready for primetime, but now, is probably the right time

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 17:34

50. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)


oh.... so i thats why i wanted webOS to comeback... i mean... it will be a great competition to android in open source!!

but honestly, HP needs to change the name.. open webOS sounds pathetic.. not that catchy...

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 20:11 3

10. MeoCao (unregistered)


Android wins hands down.

It's popular, no cost, easy acess, good support from various open source projects unlike any other platform.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 21:10 2

16. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)


but you forgot that its not free at all.. remember that manufacturers like HTC and samsung pays Microsoft $10-12 due to royalties in every android devices they sold? and apple is suing samsung and wants them to pay $30-40 on every smartphone and tablet they sold?

the android for low end is upto 2.3 only... then it will soon be phase out... but that if ICS or JB will play right on a single core 800mhz..even 2.3 lags a lot on that processor speed...

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 21:14 1

18. AppleWho (banned) (Posts: 57; Member since: 06 Aug 2012)


single core, 1GHz, 1GB RAM phones would suffice - have Samsung come out with the Captivate again and mass market that baby in Africa only. I still have mine and it runs great on JB.

posted on 21 Aug 2012, 21:23

20. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)


but we are talking about super low here... yes 1ghz of processor is now available on cheap market (mediatek, allwinner) but 1gb of ram is not... it will be pricey if they will do that..

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