US Gov't files to block AT&T's acquisition of T-Mobile
0. phoneArena 31 Aug 2011, 10:37 posted on
While IFA is heating up in Europe, huge news is happening stateside as the US government has filed to block AT&T’s planned $39 billion acquisition of T-Mobile over anti-competitive concerns…
This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here
37. cnwwyo (Posts: 126; Member since: 26 May 2011)
I can agree with u on sprint but i never had *** t&t. when i had sprint u had to wait for half an hour to talk to someone, and when u finally got somebody u couldnt understand what they were saying any-way
28. mroberts (Posts: 2; Member since: 02 Feb 2011)
Great news for consumers, Im still in shock our govt made the right decision. Still leaves questions about the future of my mostly loved TMobile USA.
29. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
guys, this DID NOT STOP the merger. The DoJ doesnt have that authority. This is no different than your neighbor lady scolding u for playing ur music too loud. How much affect does that have on you? lol
51. Phoneguy007 (Posts: 218; Member since: 02 Jun 2011)
I dont think the merger will stop...i mean tmo is almost in the red as it is so its either merger or go out of business....clearly merger is the better of the two since att is not going to fired tmo employees.....or should i say they wont fire most of them!!!!!!
54. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)
If the merger goes thru, they are 3 Billion dollars richer for doing NADA. How can 3Billion dollars for free be the worse option?
61. corporateJP (Posts: 2341; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)
If the merger goes through, ALOT of people will lose their jobs.
Are you wearing an asshat by any chance?
73. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
ill be losing my job more than likely. with all the overlap between the companys' positions, there is going to be thousands and thousands of layoffs.
78. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)
Relax remix, don't go reading the want ads yet. I don't even think Tmo really wants to merge they would love the deal to not go through, and collect their check from baby daddy
113. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
I feel sad for everyone else at Tmobile. For me the timing is perfect actually since severance brings unemployment benefits and because of school I was probably going to have to drastically reduce my hours or quit anyways. This way I still bring in some cash for the family.
76. Phoneguy007 (Posts: 218; Member since: 02 Jun 2011)
Im just stating what I read in other new reports att say it will add jobs not take them away....I just saying no one really knows whats going to happen
112. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
dude, i work at Tmobile. What you read in those "jobs" reports is ATT going for good press. Use your brain. you have 2 companies with most of their stores beside eachother. when you merge you dont need double the employees and stores. All those stores and employees will be cut. Everything I keep hearing internally keeps saying around 20k is the magic number being cut. Tmobile customer service is already being reduced to get ready for the merger. They have already told us what our severance is going to be. Thousands of jobs ARE going to be lost.
Those "jobs" that they are going to "bring back" already exist here. That is just a nice way of saying "we are getting rid of our india call centers". They arent going to hire 5000 new people. They will just fire LESS from the call centers.
115. Phoneguy007 (Posts: 218; Member since: 02 Jun 2011)
but I mean really who fault is that...tmo or att?
34. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)
Finally the government does something useful instead of stealing money for once.
48. MAS10X (Posts: 38; Member since: 26 Jul 2011)
Finally The_Miz talks some sense, and not outta his ass HAHA
60. corporateJP (Posts: 2341; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)
Wow...I agree with the Miz.
I haven't done that in a while.
63. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)
How bout chewing on this one Miz?
The FCC seemed ok with the merger all along.
Apple makes a deal to push the iDiotPhone to Sprint, Tmobile, now merger between AT&T and TMO bad? Bad for iDiotPhone sales maybe
74. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
its actually great for iDiot5 sales. If they sell a few million on Tmobile, then Tmobile merges and ATT wants the spectrum faster than waiting for everyone to be out of contract again.. they will have to give everyone massive discounts to get on an ATT plan/phone to free up the spectrum. Many iDiot5 owners will just buy the same phone again on ATT or leave for VZW/Sprint and buy the same phone. Either way apple gets 2 sales instead of 1.
82. corps1089 (Posts: 492; Member since: 20 Jan 2010)
I don't think the FCC was always on board...
FCC asked for extra data from ATT [which ATT just provided and FCC said has now caused it to reset the clock on the takeover review] since there is doubt about ATT's claims on the need to buy T-Mob, and leaked documents from ATT legal that state they can expand thier network to cover 99% of the US for much less than the cost of buying T-Mob [like Hesse accused]
35. bluechrism (unregistered)
I am so very happy with this news. Of course, AT&T will fight this in the courts and if they overturn the DOJ decision, the FCC will still have to rule on the merger so it could still happen, but this does make it much less likely.
You could even have the DOJ's suit overturned and the FCC reject the merger on similar grounds, though chances are if the DOJ objection goes through and the FCC was to reject it it would have to be for some other reason.
49. lolcatt1 (unregistered)
remixfa, you are quite possibly the dumbest, non funny troll I have ever seen. If you wanna successfully troll, you have to say things that are outragoues. A simple, "Durrr the DoJ can't block the merger" isn't gonna to get people upset. It will just make people think you're an idiot.
75. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
sorry unregistered troll master, but Im not trying to be funny, im trying to stop misinformation. There is a difference.
50. Ridiculous (unregistered)
I think this is dum, this doesnt mean the deal is no longer going through, this is just saying that they oppose of this. T-mobile is slowly going away and it will eventually, which means competition will drop. You might as well let At&t buy t-mobile. better coverage in the end, they ever said they will get rid of t-mobile fast 4g or hspa+ they were going to improve it or use it for there LTE. If sprint were the one to buy tmobile hey everyone would have been fine. Plus you dont know if they will raise prices, if they buy tmobile they can afford to lower the prices. At&t isnt dum, they have made mistakes, but they cant afford to get rid of there customers by sending prices up in the roof. Really guys?
55. Phoneguy007 (Posts: 218; Member since: 02 Jun 2011)
and which company has raised prices recently....not att ver or tmo...
57. richardyarrell2011 (banned) (Posts: 510; Member since: 16 Mar 2011)
As I stated before this merger will never happen
59. Gozer the Gozarian (unregistered)
Go F' yourselves, AT&T.
62. Androidluv (Posts: 65; Member since: 13 Jul 2010)
I don't see any long term benefit of this merger to the consumer. AT&T has a track record of not being able to provide their customers with options that are both cost effective and technologically current.
I mean, if it was left to AT&T, Android OS would be another under explored option. The device selection that is available ryte now would not exist and all phones available with the service will be 3 yrs old. Even their rate plans are ridiculous. Everyone knows that talk is cheap and that texting is cheaper, but they make unltd talk and text sound like gold.
The merger may bring better call quality in the short-run but I don't see any improvements in data speeds, innovation or technology for a loong time if AT&T-Mobile ever comes to be.
So, to all of you who want the merger, hang on to your phones and cherish every moment you have with hspa+/4g/whatever you want to call it because in the day of AT&T-Mobile, your current phones just might be ur upgrade options...
67. rcy189 (Posts: 26; Member since: 24 Jun 2011)
As a current T-Mobile customer, I feel that the merger will both help me and hurt me. Help me in that my coverage will probably improve in my city (Vegas) and I may have more options when it comes to phones. Hurt me in that my phone bill will probably increase.
Ever since I heard about the merger, I've been already planning on whether to stay on and become an AT&T customer or jump to Verizon. I believe the merger will be complete by next year, regardless of what happens between now and then. I'd be surprised if it didn't go through, but it's anyone's guess at this point.
80. LOL@UTOOLS (unregistered)
I love people talking about "Oh no ATT wil raise my bill, IM GOING TO VERIZON!"
Verizon has the highest prices out there and no GSM capability, also their price point on phones is as high or higher than Sprint. $299 for a phone AFTER your discount, really? What phone is worth that? $30 for 2gb of data? Ok, yeah, do people even know what they are saying when they speak/type.
If you want to whine and complain at least have it make sense.
87. bolaG (Posts: 468; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)
I'm just going to point out two major flaws in you argument here:
1. Verizon has world phones. That means they are GSM capable. Now not all modles are world phones but they do have them.
2. The price for the plans Vzw offers are valid sense the quality of the service is the highest out of any carrier in the country at this point in time. With the exeption of U.S. Cellular coverage of the mid-west.
89. TheRock&SockConnection (unregistered)
So your arguement is that you have LIMITED options if you need a world phone and that doesnt change the ease of swapping sim cards into other phones if you like to or need to switch your phone from time to time.
Quality of service? Tell that to people here in MD that constantly complain out here in the county that they have more dropped calls with VZ than even Tmo or their "boost" and "cricket" phones.
92. bolaG (Posts: 468; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)
Again verizon lacks in the places of rural mid-west to some east-coast areas. However in general they will have coverage in more areas than any of the other carriers.
The MD example your giving doesnt descredit their entire footprint what so ever.
Again you said and I quote " Verizon has the highest price plans out there and NO GSM CAPABILITY..." again that is incorrect verizon has gsm capabilitys for the international travlers which need a SIM card slot available on their phones. It would be idiotic in a profit point of view to make all their phones "World Phones" sense they're a CDMA base company.
81. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
veryone stop yer crying...lol/
Someone should post on here the prices from the Big 4 for 1 line of service with smartphone and unl msgs.
1. AT&T - 450 minutes with free calling to any cell in America, with unlimited messages and smartphone data = 39.99 + 20.00 + 15.00 (or 25.00). = 75.00 or 85.00 per month.
Data is either 200 MB or 2GB or 4GB (tethering 20.00 extra).
2. Verizon - 450 minutes of calling (some regions have free cell to any cell), with unlimited messages and smartphone data = 39.99+20.00+30.00 = 90.00 per month.
OK, Data is 2G minimum for 30.00. Not every region has unlimited calling to any cell in AMERICA. They do offer different messaging features, unlike AT&T's choices of pay-per-use, 20.00 unlimited.
3. T-Mobile - Has 4 options and all have unlimited talk and text (to anyone in U.S.) Unlimited - Ultra (up to 10 GB of high-speed data included) $119.99 per month....
Unlimited - Premium (up to 5 GB of high-speed data included) $89.99 per month
Unlimited - Plus (up to 2 GB of high-speed data included) $79.99 per month
Simple 200 MB of high-speed data for emailing, checking news and weather
$69.99 per month
Data is throttled after allowance dries out.
4. Sprint - 450 minutes plus unlimited cell to cell with unlimited messaging and data = 69.99 + 10.00 for smartphone = 79.99.
No limits with this plan and talk after 7PM on weekdays is free.
84. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
So, Sprint would appear to be the best overall deal - IF, you have the coverage.
Verizon and T-Mo have the fastest speeds.
Verizon cost the most.
At&t AND Verizon would charge customers 10.00/GB over for data use on smartphone. Imagine using 5GB with them - add 30.00 to your cost. 115.00/120.00 vs 90.00 when comparing the big 2 and Team magenta.
114. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
woah.. excuse me but Tmobile offers non unlimited options as well.
Tmobile value pring
Unlimited talk and text w/ 2 gigs of data = 59.99
500 minutes w text + 2 gigs of data =49.99
Noone beat's tmobiles pricing and only VZW can beat their speed.
When tmobile goes, the best deals in the business go with them.
85. corps1089 (Posts: 492; Member since: 20 Jan 2010)
Thanks for the post, now can we link it to almost every thread in PhoneArena [since this is relevant to 90% of them]?
86. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Yeah, lol, that would help. I would go to Sprint, and may, if my wife wants to leave AT&T.
88. bolaG (Posts: 468; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)
To add to this even though its not part of the BIG four...
Primary Plus plan 450 minutes(unlimited incoming calls from any phone, free nights and weekends 7pm, and mobile to mobile same carrier), unlimited mesg, 5gb data, one and done contract(only need to complete one two-year term contract with the company no new contracts for upgrades) $79.99
91. hepresearch (unregistered)
I don't often agree with the government on anything, but I am glad to see them take at least a trivial step in a direction I can agree with. AT&T + T-Mobile merging would be, in my opinion, a significant loss of choice for consumers and a significant consolidation of power for the resulting carrier. It would also, in terms of precedents and case-law, open the door for a future Verizon + Sprint merge, if such a thing was ever to be considered at all. I don't think this corporate genie has been totally corked yet, or ever will be at this point, but at least the FCC and the DOJ hastily put a lid on it for now. At least we still have the illusion, for now, of substantial choice availability in the mobile market...
94. Tmachaveli (Posts: 425; Member since: 01 Apr 2011)
at&t sorry guys day government isn't feeling u
95. Ridiculous (unregistered)
sheesh, you guys think VZW, ATT, sprint and T-mobile are the onyl carriers out there!
If T-mobile is taken away, this gives a chance for the next big carrier to step foward, which is metropcs. This company is slowly growing in size, and the only reason it doesnt grow sper fast its because "the big 4" steal all the show. Now that one is out of the way this gives smaller carriers to step it up. (ex. metropcs, virgin mobile, boost, etc.) And Srpint should stop whinning, they should just focuse on making this better, VZW is already far ahead with LTE, At&t, is already starting to roll theres out. Even Metropcs has there LTE network out, might not be the best, but its more solid than sprints wimax. If the deal goes thru, t-mobile customers will have LTE and the only one out there without LTE and with no solid plans to deploy LTE would be Sprint.
96. rwolf1984 (Posts: 523; Member since: 06 Jun 2009)
AT&T would not create a monopoly by buying T-Mobile...Check your local drugstore, carry out, Best Buy, Wal-Mart...There is a new carrier coming to market with even lower prices just about every week...This is purely government and unions medling with private industry and preventing a corporation from putting a better product to market. Everyone who has served in Congress, FCC, etc is afraid of the return of the days of Ma' Bell...that will never happen. Also, the Obama Administration is in bed with Verizon so obviously the DOJ (Attorney General Eric Holder appointed by Obama) would move to block the merger.T-Mobile will be purchased...if not now than at auction when they close for business in the USA...Verizon bought Alltel and there was hardly a stink about that...WTF??? Obama your daughters can get iPhones now on your beloved Verizon...Approve the merger!!!
98. cncrim (Posts: 636; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)
Amen.... rest case, I'm happy ATT and Tmobile deal blocked. OK Tmobile now you have $3B to extend spectrum signal, don't disappointing us.
99. Wall street journal tea (unregistered)
"The FCC has never approved a deal that the Justice Department has rejected." -WSJ
the wall street journal knows the true tea.
105. vvelez5 (Posts: 623; Member since: 29 Jan 2011)
I love competition by government intervention (oxymoron much?)
106. tryb (unregistered)
The merger will be blocked. T-Mobile will go back to being #4 and eventually their parent company Deutch Communications, who has be trying to dump T-Mobile USA for awhile will get rid of them. So much for competition...
107. Galen20K (Posts: 524; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)
T-Mobile is NOT and never has lost money, they've always shown a profit. ALWAYS. the only reason DT wants to spin off T-Mobile USA is because they do not wish to do business in the USA and they've refused to give its US wing money it needs to competes whereas other T-Mobiles around the world has had money from DT THROWN at them practically Limitless.
108. techjunkie72 (unregistered)
I read a good report where if there was a possible go ahead for at&t-mobile merger then google could eventually in the future clamour for Sprint sometime soon.
109. tryb (unregistered)
Who said anything about T-Mobile losing money? The facts are they are the 4th phone company in the USA, their parent company has been trying to sell them for awhile and more people choose to sign up with Verizon, AT&T or Sprint than T-Mobile. They will always be a minor player until they merge with another company. Previous rumors had them merging with Sprint, but Sprint couldn't even make their Nextel merger work.