U.S. carriers in Q2 2013: a summary
0. phoneArena 12 Aug 2013, 09:38 posted on
There are four carriers that run the show in the United States - Verizon Wireless, AT&T, Sprint and T-Mobile, but as the industry evolves so do change their standings…
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1. Ruckus (Posts: 276; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
They failed to mention T-Mobiles acquisition of MetroPCS. Is that part of their 1.1 million new subscribers? Because a few articles earlier said they added 1.6 million MetroPCS customers this past quarter. So would T-Mobile still be bleeding relentlessly?
3. g2a5b0e (Posts: 1805; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
The 1.1 million new subscribers are independent of the almost 10 million they added from MetroPCS.
6. T00muchF00D (Posts: 94; Member since: 27 Nov 2011)
ummm sir, it was MetroPCS that acquired T-Mobile. Not the other way around.
10. Eclectech (Posts: 31; Member since: 01 May 2013)
Actually, No ...Deutsche Telekom, the owner of T-Mobile acquired MetroPCS. They just chose to use MetroPCS ticker symbol for trading purposes.
16. T00muchF00D (Posts: 94; Member since: 27 Nov 2011)
no sir, as an investor I know that MetroPCS acquired them in what we like to call here a "reverse merger"
35. lsutigers (Posts: 622; Member since: 08 Mar 2009)
T00muchF00D is actually correct. Metro PCS acquired T-Mobile in a reverse merger they just kept the TMO name. Look it up.
40. JCarroll (Posts: 1; Member since: 25 Aug 2013)
Actually T00muchF00D, Eclectech isn't wrong but your still right. Duetsche Telekom brokered this deal with MetroPCS where it was a reverse merger so MetroPCS did acquire T-Mobile but in return Telekom owns 74% of the joint company therefore T-Mobile still holds priority over PCS.
8. Galen20K (Posts: 498; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)
hey Troll, perhaps you should know what you're taking about before posting.
23. miles16852 (Posts: 183; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
guess it takes a TROLL to know a troll !
2. Dorothy69 (banned) (Posts: 498; Member since: 21 May 2013)
You call a 10 MILLION subcriber difference between Verizon and AT&T "tiny" (no pun intended)??! I don't know what kind of math schooling you've had but, here in Kansas, that's mega huge!!
4. g2a5b0e (Posts: 1805; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
I would agree that the difference isn't tiny, but mega huge is also quite the exaggeration. You have to think of it in context of the total subscribers. Verizon has 9% more customers than AT&T. 9% isn't a huge number even if it's 10 million custumers.
5. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 2748; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
All of the rapid growth can be attributed to the iPhone.
13. Shatter (Posts: 1751; Member since: 29 May 2013)
iPhone sales are worse than ever before and will continue to crash, its because of Samsung.
28. wumberpeb (Posts: 392; Member since: 14 Mar 2011)
I have you a +1 because you're THAT dumb
33. zibbyzib2000 (Posts: 153; Member since: 18 Nov 2010)
I gave you a +1 because you misspelled "gave"
7. Ruckus (Posts: 276; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
I'm surprised T-Mobiles churn isn't worse. I know a few people who got suckered in by their misleading commercials and cancelled rather quickly once they realized they were overpaying for something that doesn't work. Does Churn include people canceling within the 14 day policy?
9. Galen20K (Posts: 498; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)
And I'm really surprised that you're still trolling.
17. Ruckus (Posts: 276; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
How is it misleading? Lets see...
They claim they don't do contracts but if you get a new device your stuck in a 20 month commitment (contract) and to get out of it you have to pay a fee. That's just one.
Then they claim unlimited data but its not. They throttle at 5GBs now.
Their Jump program is a rip off. You pay an extra $10 a month and pay a fee to get a new phone... Cough cough isn't that INSURANCE???
Lets look at the real T-Mobile..
To get a decent device with TMobile you have to pay $90 /month ($10 more a month than Sprint and the same price as AT&T or Verizon with 2-3GBs). They by far have the worst coverage, and their Jump program is a complete and utter joke. They claim to have a lot of 4G data but yet I find mostly 2G data.
Me troll? No just irritated by their misleading campaign.
Until recently I sold Tmobile and it was pathetic how many returns we got. Instead of advertising a lot, instead USE THAT MONEY TO FIX YOUR AWFUL NETWORK. Thanks :)
19. a_merryman (Posts: 519; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)
They don't do cellular plan contracts. Of course you enter a contract with the phone payments if you don't buy it outright. That would be like going to a ford dealership and buying a new car, stop paying the monthly payments and expecting to keep the car....."I want things for free that you are required to pay for" is what people who bring up your point sound like.
I'm pretty sure their $70 plan is unlimited 4G data, even if they throttled it...that still makes it unlimited...just not quick. So that part is still better than what VZW and AT&T offer
I think all those early upgrade planes are a ripoff, including the ones from VZW and AT&T. Sprint doesn't have one that I know of.
You can bring your own device and pay $70 a month, you dont have to buy a device through them. You could just go to the play store and get the nexus 4.
I still think Sprint is a better deal, and will only get better as their LTE services blanket more and more of the US. Theyll be putting clearwires spectrum on every existing tower and adding new ones, which means there will be tons of capacity across the entire network.
20. nnjerzy (Posts: 70; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)
You have no idea and what the hell ur talking about Ruckus.. TMOB does not throttle ,, u should have your facts in order before you type and speak.. smh what has this world come too?
There unlim 4g lte 70 plan does not throttle ,, i have been using about 50 gigs of lte every single month so how is that throttle..? I have no issues or prob with the service period. Its not misleading... pay your phone out right and you dont have to worry about the extra 20.00
24. Ruckus (Posts: 276; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
Well you should explain to my former Tmobile customers as to why they get throttled at 5GBs.
Buying the phone outright makes it MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE. Lets take the GS4. One sells for what? $600-$700 outright? If you were to break that down into monthly installments its $30+ /mo. So buying it outright makes Tmobile far worse.
Let me guess.. You live in a city right? The only place Tmo seems to work. I sold Tmo for 3 years, I think it's you that should get your story straight.
And to think you thought buying the device outright was better than paying the $20 lmfao. Sprint owns Tmobile there.
29. -box- (Posts: 3539; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
T-Mobile hasn't throttled on their highest plans in months. Also, it's pretty hard to get above 5 gigs anyway, let alone the 50 someone above mentioned. I don't think I know anyone who uses 50 per month on their home wired internet. Maybe they tried it last year?
Also, sprint is trash. Too expensive for what you get, worst phone selection of the big four, worst phone pricing, and they shot themselves in the foot with the iphone and Nextel deals. They'll also close your account for using too much data.T-Mobile's prices start low, and only get comparable to the other three if you subsidize a phone purchase, and then only for 20 months, so the longer you keep the phone, the less you pay. Notably, the S4 is $20 a month on the NEXT/EIP setup, so $480 plus the down payment, which is between $0 and $149 based on credit and history, for a maximum of $529, $120 cheaper than an iphone5 off contract. You can also opt to get any other compatible phone you want to use. $120 Nokia Lumia 521? Sure. $50 phone bought off Craigslist? Yep. That way there's no need to pay the extra per month, saving around $30 per month for many folks versus the other three.
11. skymitch89 (Posts: 971; Member since: 05 Nov 2010)
Actually, the loss of customers for Sprint are mostly due to the fact that they don't really have a 4G network and that their 3G network is crapy (except in certian areas). The fact that they shutdown the Nextel opperations might have also contributed to their loss as well, though.
12. lsutigers (Posts: 622; Member since: 08 Mar 2009)
Actually no, Sprint's largest loss came from shutting down the Nextel network and many enterprise lines which had not been migrated to Sprint Direct Connect yet.
Additionally, a large piece was due to deactivation of federally mandated wireless subsidy program. Verizon and AT&T have similar programs, not sure about TMO. Either way, the gov't mandated deactivation of unused lines they were subsidizing and Sprint's were included in Q2 results.
15. Shatter (Posts: 1751; Member since: 29 May 2013)
The only reason Sprint isn't dead is because they have huge goverment and private company contracts.
18. Ruckus (Posts: 276; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
No way. Sprint is killing it as of late minus closing down Nextel. Their plans and coverage make T-Mobile look bad.
True Unlimited data vs Fake Unlimited Data. Sprint wins.. Well against Tmobile haha. Not so much the others yet..
21. flynfree (Posts: 372; Member since: 09 Jun 2013)
I think exynos 5420 is for international version, and the s800 is for U S. And I'm satisfied if the design of gnote3 is the same with the s4....just me!!!
22. Geezy03 (Posts: 43; Member since: 10 Apr 2009)
I think with the SoftBank and clear deals done, sprint will start to see progress as more and more LTE signals are popping up.
25. Ruckus (Posts: 276; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
It's already started. We live in a low population area that is getting blanketed with Sprint LTE. Only Verizon had LTE here. Still haven't seem at&ts LTE this way and Tmo mostly has 2G still here.
30. lsutigers (Posts: 622; Member since: 08 Mar 2009)
Yeah as far as coverage goes Sprint kills T-Mobile and bests AT&T by a small margin. Verizon does have the largest coverage area but as a CDMA carrier Sprint roams on VZW in their coverage gaps and Verizon roams on Sprint where they don't have signal.
38. Parfanity (Posts: 1; Member since: 14 Aug 2013)
Dear Ruckus, you are highly annoying, and though I NEVER post on Phonearena anymore, I created a new account just to reply to your idiotic stabs at T-Mobile from I am assuming a resentful ex employee who got fired?
Every COMPANY in this country has some kind of a misleading, false campaign. That's called GOOD marketing, as a former sales rep @ T-Mobile and I am only assuming since you keep reminding us of "i use to sell T-Mobile" I would imagine you should have done this on the daily basis to make some $$$ but obviously you don't understand this concept since you USE to work there.
T-Mobile's JUMP program is a FANTASTIC idea, the concept is simple. Because T-Mobile's rate plans on their SIMPLE CHOICE plans is $20 less then their Classic plans (which retailers like Wal-Mart still sell you can pick up a brochure and see yourself) You do pay full cost for your device. Now for high end devices like the HTC ONE, Galaxy 4,..ect you do end up paying the same as a classic plan because most those phones will cost you an extra $20 until they are payed off. NOT EVERYONE wants or needs the high end devices there for a SIMPLE CHOICE TRULY UNLIMITED PLAN @ $70 a month plus a NOKIA LUMIA 521 @ $5 a month will be much more cost efficiant then the same plan on classic which would put you at $90 vs $75 and believe me as a employee of 5+ yrs most customers still buy these entry level smartphones.
JUMP is great for the higher end device users like me, who just got a HTC ONE in in June, and in six months I'll be itchin for one of the Xmas seasons latest devices, and by trading my device in I will be enjoying my new smartphone.
Dude get youre facts straight, Most customers don't travel outside the state they live in, and everywhere I have been to on the West coast T-Mobile LTE kills Sprint's (if it's available). Most my customers this last quarter were Sprint customers, why? There new phone lineup is CDMA/LTE why they took Wimax out of the equation I have no idea, because LTE is not even available where I live, and their 3G tops 2-3mbps at best.
Softbank won't save Sprint, the only good thing about Sprint is that at this point T-Mo needs them to stay in the game, because if they disappear AT&T and Verizon are to far ahead at this point for T-Mobile to be able to compete with.
27. scsa852k (Posts: 251; Member since: 16 Oct 2012)
It's a matter of time before T-Mo stomps Sprint to 4th place.
31. Ruckus (Posts: 276; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
I love the sarcasm! Now that SoftBank and Sprint are united, get ready for Sprint to blast off.
32. Omarc07 (Posts: 189; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
Well over here in los Angeles Sprint can suck it haha sprint is the WORSE carrier in La I had all companies Sprint is the worst. Tmobile,Att,Verizon ,metro pcs all work better its August 2013 and sprint only has LTE in like 2 streets in east La u walk down the wrong street u on there pathetic sloooow 3G evdo network I mean faak not even tmobile is that bad tmobile got LTE in much more places in LA and the funny thing is sprint supposedly brought Lte in La first than tmobile but they only put in in like 2 streets that is pathetic,tmobile at least covers from east La to Montebello all the way to dwtwn with Lte and has hspa 42 were it dnt have lte oh n btw I have att n tmobile I would never EVER go back to pathetic sprint.
34. lsutigers (Posts: 622; Member since: 08 Mar 2009)
Unless you had Sprint a long time ago that is a flat out lie. I was just in LA and found Sprint's coverage on my work phone to be equal to my personal Verizon phone. I had LTE service almost everywhere while in LA.
36. Omarc07 (Posts: 189; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
2 months is not that long ago n btw I had a lot more dropped calls on sprint than I do on tmobile and at&t. did u go to pico rivera and Montebello ?because I have friends that live there right now and STILL have Sprint as of today and they have sprint Lte phones and they told me they gonna switch cuz still to these day they on 3G all.there block till they walk to walmart which is 20 minutes away is still on 3G so havin lte phones is useless for them.
41. wateryspit (Posts: 12; Member since: 25 Jan 2011)
Let me help you guys out, I work for t-mobile currently and a ex sprint employee as of 9 months ago, at sprint we offered for 69.99 unlimited calling to cellphones 500 min cap on house phones unlimited txt, and unlimited data for a extra 9.99. Which is why if you go to sprint.com right now you will see 80.00 vs tmobile 88.00 on there graph. tmobile on the other hand offers unlimited talk to cellphones and homes, unlimited txt, and unlimited data at no extra charge. Now for people like us who use data alot there is options for you like 10.00 for 2.5gb then throttled (by the way the .5 is for free hotspot) or 20.00 for unlimited data which includes no throttling at all, plus you still get .5 for hotspot.
If you have sprint, verizon, and at&t take a look at the part of the bill that says taxes you will see were it says sprint charges the truth is that you pay extra taxes to payoff the remaining cost of the phone as you pay your 2 year contract off. tmobile doesnt care is you buy or bring your phone, we just want to provide the best bang for your hard earn dollars, so we give even more options JUMP. here is the JUMP facts when you come in and choose your phone lets say samsung s4 the true price of the phone is 649.99 at all carriers since you are joining us we give it to you with a discount 600.00 now you can pay full price if you choose to but who carries
42. wateryspit (Posts: 12; Member since: 25 Jan 2011)
all that money in their pockets so we give you the option to pay it off slowly. so lets say you want unlimited everything 50.00 + 20.00= 70.00 plus taxes and the phone you choose depending on credit classes A,B,C pay les to take is home but more on the bill to pay it off example A pays 25.00 on top of the 70.00 but the will only be taxed on the plan because they pay for the phone taxes up front so the samsung s 4 with good credit leaves only paying 48.00 depending on you r taxes % other credit classes pay more up front example D,F,L 150-300 but they only pay 10-15 a month more on top of the plan 70+10=80.00 no taxes on the phone only the plan.
43. wateryspit (Posts: 12; Member since: 25 Jan 2011)
After you have either payed full price or payed the phone off which you DO NOT need to wait 20 months to pay off your bill lowers by that amount example credit class A 70+20=80+25-25=80 remember that the 25 represents the phone payment amount depending on credit could be much less depending on phone chosen. Verizon, Sprint, and Att will remain the same even if you payed your phone off how about if its past 2 years and there isnt a phone in the market you want waiting on something else. your bill would remain 80 at tmobile. verizon sprint and att would still be ripping your pockets at bills like 109.00-160. there is NO cancellation fee at Tmobile once you cancel all you do is pay your final bill off and if you owe any money on your phone as well. If you guys have anymore let me know
44. wateryspit (Posts: 12; Member since: 25 Jan 2011)
And one last thing here at Tmobile Most of our phones offer free wifi calling which means that if you have wifi and or in a wifi area you can log in to the wifi which now becomes a personal tower in your home or area where you have no signal or not as strong. Example so you decide to go to Italy or a school trip to Europe and you log into a wifi signal and call home talk for whatever amount of time you please that call it totally FREE. if you use cell tower signal then you would be charged roaming. wifi calling is a exclusive feat to tmobile. i have never seen it at sprint or verizon and i have worked for both 9 months ago at sprint, couple of years ago at verizon, i still have close friends at all three carriers and they all say the same thing that feat is not offered at any other location but T-MOBILE.