U.S. Judge says no to Apple's request for injunction on Samsung GALAXY Tab 10.1

28. Sniggly posted on 05 Jun 2012, 10:21 1

Your last paragraph makes no sense if one pays any kind of attention to economics.

29. taco50 (banned) posted on 05 Jun 2012, 10:29 1

It makes perfect sense. Let's say I invest 2 years and 1 billion dollars into a new technology. My hope would be to then making that tech commercial and make money off it. If every other company is just allowed to copy my technology and make their own product there's no benefit to me for the time and money I invested.

That's why patents are important and help along innovation.

34. Sniggly posted on 05 Jun 2012, 10:38 2

Except that there is a ton of actual evidence among the tech world, real instances of innovation, all the time. Sure, there are those who copy, but they can't *just* copy, they usually have to add their own s**t that gives people a reason to buy their stuff.

For instance, Motorola continues to innovate despite the fact that Apple shamelessly ripped off the mobile technology that Moto spent decades and millions/billions developing.

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36. taco50 (banned) posted on 05 Jun 2012, 10:45 0

If you're talking about the lawsuit with FRAND you clearly have no understanding of what FRAND means.

What is that technology btw and since you believe Apple ripped it off don't you think Motorola has a right to defend their patents?

You guys keep saying Apple shouldn't defend their technology and innovate, but anyone in their right mind would if they spent billions of dollars developing it.

Nokia sues, Motorola sues, Microsoft sues etc etc.

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40. Sniggly posted on 05 Jun 2012, 10:56 0

Do you really think that Apple spent billions of dollars developing the iPhone?

The hardware was built by a bunch of other people.

The technology involved had been worked on by a bunch of other companies.

What was left for Apple to make from scratch? iOS?

Ooh, that's a big project. Rip the app launcher from Blackberry, make it work with a touchscreen, and you're done.

And the tech that Apple ripped off mostly has to do with what makes the phone part of it work. Without that, the iPhone isn't much more than an iPod touch.

Basically, the phone part of the iPhone couldn't exist without the work that Motorola put into the tech.

The same can't be said about Samsung's, Motorola's, or HTC's products.

Without the iPhone, the introduction of touchscreen dominant smartphones might have been delayed by a couple of years at most, but if they didn't do it, someone else would have.

But now you're distracting from your own idiotic argument, so let me get back on track: if the fear of copying is supposed to keep anyone from innovating, how do you explain the constant innovation STILL coming out of the mobile industry?

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43. taco50 (banned) posted on 05 Jun 2012, 11:00 1

Wow if it's so easy why didn't you just do it? You realize Apple worked on the iPhone for 2-3 years so yes that's a huge investment and your android phone today wouldn't exist without the time and money Apple invested.

Innovation is coming out because we have patents. You take that away and bye bye innovation.

You have zero business sense

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45. Droid_X_Doug posted on 05 Jun 2012, 11:33 0

When is a design patent representing true inventive effort? Rounded corners? Rounded edges? Slide to unlock? Puleeeeease.

And Apple should receive an order banning sales of competing devices that 'infringe' the design patent at issue? Before the appeal process has not been exhausted?

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52. Sniggly posted on 05 Jun 2012, 11:55 0

Let's see, where was I in 2007? Oh yeah, just through my first semester of college. I only had a dim awareness of cell phones. I really didn't give a crap about them then. In fact, I was only aware of the iPhone because of the fun being poked at it by cartoonists.

And it wasn't just Apple coming up with touchscreen dominant phones, even at the time. The most you can claim is that they made the concept popular before anyone else. Although, while it was popular, it wasn't a record breaker until the price was lowered to 200 dollars on contract... Which was where many of the other smartphones at the time resided. Don't believe me? Check out Steve Ballmer's (repulsive) video laughing at the iPhone.

Innovation is coming out because the key to success in any industry is making sure your product has or is something that people want and that is new. Or at least packaged in a new way. Do you think people would buy new phones if they offered nothing new or better over their old phones? Even Apple has to throw their fans a bit of a bone, and I've heard many people tell me that they won't touch the new iPhone unless it has a bigger screen at least. Yes, even iFans are getting sick of Apple's stagnation.

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51. remixfa posted on 05 Jun 2012, 11:53 0

i dont remember you crying foul when LG was caught red handed stealing Samsung's Flexible Amoled technology that was a good 3+ years ahead of everyone else.

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56. taco50 (banned) posted on 05 Jun 2012, 12:15 0

If LG stole they should be punished

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30. anywherehome posted on 05 Jun 2012, 10:29 2

Why apple copied:
Statusbar
Wireless update
Wireless sync
Maps
Siri (evolution of android voice)
16:9 (iPhone 5)
Processors from Samsung
LCD from Samsung
Are you st*pid or a child? :)

32. anywherehome posted on 05 Jun 2012, 10:34 2

Apple blatantly copied previous tablets and you domt mind?:
http://goo gl/DuauX
Now you see the proof that Apple is just a liar and thief ;)

37. chadrick0814 posted on 05 Jun 2012, 10:47 1

You still continue to use the word "copy" though the corporate CEO you favor stated "good artists copy, great artists steal.". Perhaps lectures on copying should be reserved for Apple. Also, can you explain to the rest of the class exactly what Apple has innovated? Minus the square with rounded corners, it would seem that the majority of the patents they sue over are patents they have purchased from companies that actually innovate. For example....suing for "slide to unlock"....did Apple innovate that?

31. taco50 (banned) posted on 05 Jun 2012, 10:31 0

You can't be this dense. In America law works off of precedents. Apple bringing up the drug shows a PRECEDENT. That's why Apple used that example.

44. Droid_X_Doug posted on 05 Jun 2012, 11:24 1

Is the drug decision the ONLY precedent supporting Apple's prayer for 'relief'? You don't seem to understand one of the basic elements of injunction practice strategy - analogy of the present circumstance to past precedent being cited.

If the only precedent Apple's attorneys found is the drug decision, they picked a bad story to tell. Judge Koh wasn't buying that little fairy tale.

53. remixfa posted on 05 Jun 2012, 11:55 1

drugs show no precedence to ELECTRONICS. Who is dense?

precedence only works if its in relatively the same category genius.

57. taco50 (banned) posted on 05 Jun 2012, 12:16 0

Really is that your legal opinion /sarcasm

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85. tedkord posted on 05 Jun 2012, 15:12 1

No, it was the legal opinion if the judge in the case. /sarcasm

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92. remixfa posted on 05 Jun 2012, 16:25 0

return volley and score.

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54. remixfa posted on 05 Jun 2012, 11:57 0

and apple copies like crazy. Steve jobs admitted it himself.

We "fandroids" just get irritated at the complete double standard idiot iTrolls make about copying. "this person copied apple.. that person copied apple", yet, when apple copies, you have no pitchfork against them.

58. taco50 (banned) posted on 05 Jun 2012, 12:17 0

We have no pitchfork period. Apple fans could care less about android. We're secure in our OS choice while you guys are closer Apple fans. Always trying to prove to yourself android is better.

59. remixfa posted on 05 Jun 2012, 12:34 0

yea, you show your security by spewing the same tired and incorrect mantras from your pitiful mouths daily.

very secure.

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61. ez31k posted on 05 Jun 2012, 12:43 0

If Apple fans could care less, then why the response to an arguement that seems endless??? Why not prove to careless by not responding at all? IMO I dont give a sh** what anyone has in their pockets.. I just want more innovation. I really am sick of the fact that anytime anyone has an idea, someone comes along and stifles the process of production by shoving a bunch of lawyers up their a**..

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63. gallitoking posted on 05 Jun 2012, 12:57 0

tell me the innovation of Android over the past year... since you seem to know

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64. wassup posted on 05 Jun 2012, 13:06 0

Here you go, by manufacturer
Samsung
1. Quad Core
2. Smart Stay
3. HD Screen
4. Superior Software Optimization
5. Pop up Video
6. The ability to pick which photo is best from a range of pics

HTC
1. Superior designs
2. Awesome Screen

Motorola
1. Razr thin profile
2. Biggest battery fitted into non-removable cover, whilst maintaining slim profile

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66. gallitoking posted on 05 Jun 2012, 13:27 0

my views as innovation is different than yours.. Quad core is not available for phones in the US. and since I live in the States cannot give you that one.. smart Stay is a good one but is in beta mode. and watch how it will time out for people wearing glasses or sun glasses is not perfect yet.. HD screens not really innovation as it has been around for more than a year.. could go on. but really HTC designs is innovation to you? really. wow.. but anyhow... nothing mind blowing is in your list..

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84. tedkord posted on 05 Jun 2012, 15:09 0

Siri is beta, so I guess you don't count that as innovation, right?

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86. gallitoking posted on 05 Jun 2012, 15:57 0

nop, i dont.. it was market as one but we all know is not.

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110. chadrick0814 posted on 06 Jun 2012, 00:17 0

Anyone in the states can buy an international version.....so it is indeed available.

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72. taco50 (banned) posted on 05 Jun 2012, 14:18 0

in other words none

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73. wassup posted on 05 Jun 2012, 14:22 0

more than apple.

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93. remixfa posted on 05 Jun 2012, 16:26 0

just want to point out that the HTC screen your referencing was made by samsung. HTC is like apple, they dont actually make anything, they just design the casing and tweak the software.

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99. gallitoking posted on 05 Jun 2012, 16:48 0

so just because Apple doesnt make anything. Qualcomm would be out of business.. we would have Foxxconn devices... there is more than one way to run a company... you can make them or you can buy them.. nothing wrong with that right..

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102. wassup posted on 05 Jun 2012, 17:10 0

oh, didn't know that, don't pay much attention to HTC, just a sammy fanboy :D
off-topic, just received the SGSIII international as a gift, but my dad said i can't use it till my birthday (August) :/
Vibrant, you served me well, now it's time for the SII to take your place as back-up *sniff*
happy :D. so Gallitoking, i'll allow you this one.

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103. gallitoking posted on 05 Jun 2012, 17:14 0

wassup...well if you got the international version congrats.. man.. quad core.. no carrier crap... enjoy... one thing I love about the iphone more than anything.. no carrier bloat ware..

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104. wassup posted on 05 Jun 2012, 17:32 0

yupp international... Quad Core was worth more to me than faster net speeds since i don't really have such speeds where I live, but thanks!!

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79. remixfa posted on 05 Jun 2012, 14:54 0

battery life improvements
major stability improvements
the entire UI is redesigned
new camera functionality out the ying-yang. can the iphone take pix WHILE taking video? nope
even bigger and better cameras and tech
button free designs
more user control over things like multitasking
major chip upgrades
dual chanel memory
proved that size matters
major screen upgrades
app quality upgrades out the ying-yang
dozens of google product improvements, like new maps features, ect.
launched a new OS (ICS) that joins tablets and phones 100%.

what has apple innovated in the last year?
they bought Siri and threw it in thew new iphone.
they took samsung's chips, lowered the clock and changed out the GPU
they added an "s" on the new model.

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87. gallitoking posted on 05 Jun 2012, 16:06 0

remix for being a geek you sure are dumb... nothing in there was innovation. all of that existed.. but ok before I answer the innovation from Apple. tell me what is innovation to you?... and we will go from there

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91. remixfa posted on 05 Jun 2012, 16:24 0

gallito, why dont you define innovation. you obviously need to define your words that you want answered, because your definition doesnt match anyone elses.

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100. gallitoking posted on 05 Jun 2012, 16:52 0

wel dont answer what you dont know.. I knew you woulnt answer the question.. because you know dam well you will loose the argument..

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62. gallitoking posted on 05 Jun 2012, 12:56 0

everyone copies.. except.. Samsung has gone over board with their similarities on the design of the Galaxy Tab.. why couldn't put out a brick of a tablet like Moto did.... Touch wiz.. is also similar.. not going into patents... Samsung new marketing .well they market their products well a page out of Apple playbook.. now they hold their own conferences just like Apple... if you take the blinds out you realized that Samsung sees what Apple does..

80. tedkord posted on 05 Jun 2012, 14:56 0

And, Apple saw what Android did with the notification tray. They saw what LG did with the Prada (flat black touchscreen with a metal band around the outside and a home button center bottom). They saw what Samsung did with the stylus.

Again, so what?

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88. gallitoking posted on 05 Jun 2012, 16:08 0

ted....see we were talking about the innovation from Android.. if you want to talk about what has Apple done.. lets finish what Android did.. before we move.. or this will get out of hand.. unless you don't have any innovations from Android that you want to move on..

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105. tedkord posted on 05 Jun 2012, 18:52 0

And I was illustrating that there's not a dimes worth of difference between Android and Apple when it cones to innovation. Both build on things others brought to the table.

BTW, I really hate the way PA posts these replies. It's getting tough to tell who's responding to whom. There's gotta be a better format.

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101. InspectorGadget80 posted on 05 Jun 2012, 17:09 0

APPLE HAVE GONE OVER BOARD WITH THEIR BANS AND INJUNCTIONS. Apple DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT. Not EVERYONE WANTS TO BUY A IPAD

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78. tedkord posted on 05 Jun 2012, 14:51 0

And the way I see it, if Apple loses, iFans scream the judge was a fandroid or the justice system is broken. If Apple wins, they scream, "See, Samsung copied!"

So, how are you different? Already, iFans are screaming about the judges decision to not implement a ban before a decision.

89. gallitoking posted on 05 Jun 2012, 16:11 0

sorry but we don't scream.. or at least tell me anyone that has scream about this news.. you been long enough here.. you have read the arguments of the fandroids.. so please just drop it.. and accept it..

106. tedkord posted on 05 Jun 2012, 18:56 0

I've been here long enough to know there are tards on both sides. There are idiot iFans who have to run to every Android article and troll it, and vice versa.

What I accept is that some people like iOS, some Android. But I'm not going to not respond to lies, like Android is laggy, or Samsung us a ripoff if Apple.

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90. gallitoking posted on 05 Jun 2012, 16:12 0

tedkord.. see what i mean about the screaming... exhibit a