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Two new pictures of the DROID RAZR HD leak out

0. phoneArena 02 Aug 2012, 14:28 posted on

Check out Motorola's upcoming flagship device for Verizon in images that are surprisingly good compared to standard "blurry-cam" leaks...

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posted on 02 Aug 2012, 23:00

72. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)

I know Nvidias 4+1 bro. You are alot of other "techies" share the same inconsistencies when judging CPU power, emphasizing nanometers when there are SO many other things that actually judge the actual efficiency of the CPU. L-Caches, Pipelines and Clusters, but even other things that we, the public don't get incite into, but conclude after seeing performance, like capacitors, MOSFETS and circuitry.

"the sections are not really that extensive, it's mostly just here's how long the battery last"
Thats a HUGE generalization of it, and the reviews actually give more information than just mentioning a sentence, which, apparentlybut wouldn't you believe that there are numerous tests behind that.

Funny thing is, this is what PhoneArena says about the battery:

"We can wish all we want about seeing the 3,300 mAh battery of the DROID RAZR MAXX inside of this one, but instead, the ATRIX HD is mellowed out with an uncannily low 1,780 mAh battery. And of course, we’re not terribly surprised to find its performance well below the competition, as it provides less than a single day of juice. Obviously, it’s enough to get us through a grueling work day, but it’s something that’s going to require nightly charges."

Wtf, you claim that the other reviews don't provide enough information on battery for you to believe it, but PhoneArena barely says a few sentences, yet those few sentences are more credible than the others, which offer more info.. what? That makes absoloutely no sense. The reason you only listen to PhoneArena and MTR is becuase they say what you want to hear. And of course popularity factors, but you give to reason as to why you view one more credible as the other. I'm sure Time Magazine, IntoMobile, PocketNow and PCWorld are just as credible as PhoneArena; there is absolutely nothing to say they are not. And what conclusion can you reach when more people say something is bad than people say it's good, what does that say to you? Someone who is actually looks for the truth would look for the opinions of many, until you do that, none of what you claim can every be substantiated.

11 and a half hours, considering that you didn't even mention how much she uses it, that claim has no substantial basis. Next.

What's the problem with the Atrix HD simply being a power hog? Is the idea of a phone simply having bad battery life too complex for you? I'm basing what I'm saying off the process of elimination, it happens that manufacturers simply do not put enough though into their components, and the result is a poorly-performing device. As far as why, SoCs have so many internal components, switches, mosfets, capacitors, that effect performance that it would be difficult to pin-point, but of course no reviewer will mention that for the sake of keeping things simple. Ran outta space.

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 14:37 6

1. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)

Not sure what to think of this device

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 14:38 7

2. Retro-touch (Posts: 275; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)

Ugly is the word your thinking of!!!!

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 14:41 3

3. TheLibertine (Posts: 484; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)

Like it. 2,530 mAh plus 28nm-chip could mean great performance AND terrific battery life. Motorola's first 720p phone and some unique design/material choice. And Jelly Bean will be soon to follow,while ICS isn't' bad.

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 14:44 1

4. MingLiangChen (Posts: 325; Member since: 06 Jul 2012)

It looks good , I hope the carbon fibre pattern doesn't go symmetrical though. It looks like a phone with carbon fibre sticker on the back.

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 14:44

5. Carlitos (Posts: 543; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

that would be awesome. Only it wouldnt be motorola first 720p phone if you mean by the screen resolution.

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 14:46 3

6. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)

It's different which is good I think just not sure about the size of the bezels

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 14:56 2

9. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

the Atrix HD was their first 720p device.

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 15:00 1

12. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)

See this is why Moto suffers. Android 4.0.4? Why not have STOCK Jelly Bean then update it with your own flavored skinned Jelly Bean.

This is where OEMs fail I think. Nice device but outdated OS.

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 15:01

13. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)

Me gusta.
I do hope they release it with 2 GB of RAM, though.

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 15:02

14. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)

In my opinion pattern doesn't look good also why so big bottom bezel? Let's hope that those leaks are fake or at least Motorola will change design. :(

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 15:06 1

15. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

this is a leak of a pre-production unit and just because these pictures hit the web today doesn't mean that they're new. Moto's skin is the closest to stock you're going to get and if they've really gotten so far along with it running ICS then i'd rather them just go ahead and release it and update it to JB later. if it weren't so close to a possible launch then i'd say get JB on there and we'll talk.

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 15:15

18. dmckay12 (Posts: 243; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)

The Motorola MT917 was Moto's first HD phone.

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 15:21

20. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

It kind of looks like the version of ICS that was released to the non-HD RAZRs, which tends to confirm your pre-production theory. Given how close to stock Android Moto has moved, it should be relatively easy to move straight to JB. But then who knows once the carrier (VZW) gets involved.

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 15:38

23. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

yeah, ICS for the Razr was pretty much ready so, so long ago but Verizon held it back. i would imagine that the experience of using this thing should be like using an Atrix HD but on a 4.8" display.

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 15:39 1

24. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

i really meant in the states, my bad for not clarifying that.

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 15:41

26. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)

Why? You're not looking into a mirror, it doesn't reflect anything back at you. Or, cuz' it's not made of shatter-proned glass and comes in your two favorite color variations black and Martha Stewart White(tm)?

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 15:47 1

27. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)

28nm won't make much more of a difference from 32nm because of transistor leakage, so I'd expect most of the advantages here to be from the bigger battery, that said, this phone uses LCD technology, which uses much more power than AMOLED, so I'd say that this phone should have just about the same, if not, a bit more battery than the Galaxy S3, with it's 2100mAh.

Personally, I think the V design here is really unappealing, but it's excusable -- Motorola never got looks down that much anyway. And I kinda wish it had a bigger screen, looks 4.3 inches here.

As far as OS, I think ICS for now is fine. I really hate Moto for not even announcing this device yet, however. It was going to be this vs. the Galaxy S3 for me, but Moto twiddled their fingers, I'm guessing, because there seems to be no 'WOW' anything here that would warrant longer development times, which isn't bad, but this phone really should've released by now. No reason releasing it after iPhone 5..

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 15:49 2

28. nnaatthhaannx2 (Posts: 820; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

Its Kevlar bud.

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 15:51 1

29. nnaatthhaannx2 (Posts: 820; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

I agree. The size bezel on my current razr is huge and it looks the same here.
The bottom one actually looks BIGGER than the current one. Looks like Moto is moving in the wrong direction. And I hate those on screen buttons!!! GRRR!

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 15:58 2

31. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

oudated os? ICS is outdated??????? Are you sleeping and typing on your keyboard or what??

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 16:05

33. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)

"...this phone uses LCD technology..."

Are you sure?

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 16:09

35. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)

Yes. The Atrix HD used ColorBoost, and LCD based technology, so it would make no sense for Motorola to debut this technology for their first next-gen device, then drop it immediately for their flagship. I'm sure ColorBoost will be attached to Moto just like S-LCD is to HTC, AMOLED to Samsung, etc.

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 16:14

38. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

the OMAP4 used a 45nm manufacturing process so yes, the 28nm would make a noticeable difference over other Razrs including the MAXX. AMOLED Displays are indeed more power efficient but not enough to make a device equivalent to one with 430mAh more in battery department. that's nearly a quarter of the Galaxy SIII's entire battery capacity.

the looks are subjective. i really like Moto's designs and this is no exception. it's certainly not 4.3" there's shots of it out there next to the original Razr, it's certainly bigger. i'd say it hits the 4.8" mark.

if it comes out with everything it's seeming to have then it will be worth it.

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 16:23

41. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)

But Razr Maxx was using OLED based display. Anyway, I wish LCD. :)

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 16:25

42. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

there's a chance that they're using an HDSA display to appease the enthusiasts loyal to the renewed Razr brand but it's seeming more and more likely they're more in favor of this ColorBoost technology they're using.

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 16:33

45. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)

Yes, over the other Razrs, but this phone is not trying to top those phones, it's trying to top the GS3, OX, and iP5 probably. The Atrix HD used Snapdragon S4, with 20mAh less than than the OX, of the same processor, but the battery was worse than the One X by a pretty noticeable amount, so considering that the software was optimized for the phone, the only other thing that could fall on is Moto's manufacturing. Remember, Kurogiii, the Razr Maxx and Razr HD used AMOLED, not LCD, so this is a step-back.
Try and use a newer example if you want to compare processors.

As far as AMOLED to LCD compared, the Razr will be better than GS3 in battery life, obviously, but when you consider the screen tech, which killed the battery for the Atrix, that 430mAh may as well be cut to 215mah, which adds to maybe 30mins to a but under hour of battery?

As far as screen size, my fault, thanks for the correction, but asthetics, well that's subjective, so no real agreement can be reached there.

CORRECTION: Razr and Razr Maxx, Not Razr HD used AMOLED.. Lol Moto confuses me with this.

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 16:59

48. ObjectivismFTW (Posts: 211; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)

And remember, transistor leakage becomes infintely more apparent when you move to the smaller size manufacturing process. 32nm is basically where the smaller processes don't really yield much better improvement in power consumption, but this is for cellphones only, mind you.

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 17:13

52. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)

Yh top and bottom bezel look right.. Side just seems tad bigger than they should be... Personally love the builds of the RAZR and MAXX and probably the best built phones out there... Just hated the huge bezels on them.. The RAZR which is a 4.3" device is almost same size as the 4.8" s3...hopefully this phone in person will look much better.

posted on 02 Aug 2012, 18:55

56. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

i know that but the original comment you responded to was a statement of Moto's progress versus their past devices. the SLCD-2 display that the One X is equipped with has less battery consumption than the LCD technology the Atrix HD uses. if there's a difference in battery life that's why. yeah but the S4 buries the difference in power consumption from AMOLED to LCD so it really doesn't matter much. the S4 is more efficient with power than the SAA displays of the previous Razrs and the OMAP4 that the Razrs used are nearly twice as big so yeah, there'll be improved battery performance.

now how do you project that i wonder? all of my findings about the Atrix HD's battery life are so mixed that i don't really see how you can say for certain. MobileTechReview (one of my personal favorites) says it lasts 30-40 minutes less than the SIII, Phone Arena assures that it gets through the day and Engadget was apparently disappointed with it. another factor you may want to consider is that Motorola uses more metals in their construction and while that does make the phone more durable it also draws more heat than the mostly plastic construction Samsung uses and extreme temperature changes drains batteries quicker so your mileage may vary. i know my Razr gets pretty hot sometimes and that'll drain the battery. i use this really accurate battery app called battery widget reborn and it shows me the temperature and how long the battery has in a persistent notification. my Razr has gotten to 114 degrees Fahrenheit before. that's pretty toasty. enough for it to give me a notification that the phone is too hot.

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