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Two German courts say Apple infringed on two Motorola patents

0. phoneArena 05 Nov 2011, 03:15 posted on

Apple got hit with a case of instant karma in Germany as the same proceedings used by the Cupertino based firm to block shipments of Samsung products in certain countries is being employed by Motorola to get two German courts to rule against Apple on two counts of patent infringement....

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posted on 05 Nov 2011, 03:23 30

1. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


I say go for royalties. Don't limit the free market, but beat Apple at their own game. Lessen a bit of the profit they make on each infringing device.

I wonder if Moto would've won if Apple had responded. Perhaps they didn't respond because they had no case and would have lost anyway?

posted on 05 Nov 2011, 03:56 20

7. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


The iPhone is Apple's only phone. Unlike the other manufacturers that have many phones. If their only phone was banned, goodbye sales.

And I personally think Google is not very aggressive with this stuff. They build defenses but they don't sue. I think they're simply not stooping down to apple's level.
I hope Google Brings this to many countries so that many people would save their money in buying such overpriced iPhones. Banned!!!

posted on 05 Nov 2011, 05:05 15

12. rycx365 (Posts: 37; Member since: 18 Mar 2011)


Moto should charge apple crazy high for the patents and apple will have no choice but to comply if they still want to sell the iphone

posted on 05 Nov 2011, 09:32 4

29. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


A crazy high royalty would run afoul of Fair and Reasonable (FRAND) guidelines (the same objection Apple is making about Samsung's 3G patent infringement actions).

posted on 05 Nov 2011, 09:27 5

28. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


If you charge Apple royalties, they will keep on making $ on the iPhone sales and not change their litigious behavior (they are on track to 60% of industry profits...).

A sales ban gives them a taste of their own medicine (and potentially gives them more incentive to end the silliness).

posted on 05 Nov 2011, 14:55 4

55. ledbetterp3 (Posts: 467; Member since: 31 Aug 2011)


All I say is go Motorola! Take apple's cash, and create more high-end phones! I personally would like to see Motorola's phone sales go up...

posted on 06 Nov 2011, 12:58 1

74. andro. (Posts: 1999; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)


Indeed as soul satisifying it would be to see Apple products being banned from sale after all the childish legal antics from Apple recently its much better for motorola to make a fortune from royalties from every iphone sale.

That way will hit apple harder knowing those islaves money is not all going into their pockets but some is going to their bigger ios rival,while also maybe making apple think twice about trying to sue people over phones having touchscreens and other such nonsense

posted on 05 Nov 2011, 03:27 14

2. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)


Kickback to the iDiots

posted on 05 Nov 2011, 03:29 18

3. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Wow! Sounds like Moto/Google may have Apple by the grapes with this one. I wonder if they will take this lawsuit worldwide.

posted on 05 Nov 2011, 03:50 7

5. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 813; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)


I bet they will.

posted on 05 Nov 2011, 08:56 8

24. JonGarrett (Posts: 29; Member since: 06 Aug 2011)


lol @ "by the grapes"

posted on 05 Nov 2011, 03:48 11

4. AndroidOS (Posts: 100; Member since: 21 Jun 2011)


I personally would take it worldwide. I don't see why not.
Would I try to get them banned? Ehhhhhh, I don't know.

posted on 05 Nov 2011, 09:01 2

25. bossmt_2 (Posts: 449; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)


No, no banning. If the shoe was on the other foot you'd be crying about banning. What Moto should do (though I imagine damages were included in the filing, I would say I want a few bucks for every handset (like winmo does) or ban. THey'll take the bucks cause it's much better than fighting it through the courts while your product is banned.

posted on 05 Nov 2011, 10:43 2

34. AndroidOS (Posts: 100; Member since: 21 Jun 2011)


Sooo, Moto shouldn't ban because if the shoe was on the other foot I would be crying?

Anyway it's up to them to ban or license. Either way they would make money.

posted on 05 Nov 2011, 18:03

59. bossmt_2 (Posts: 449; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)


It's called hypocrisy, if you are cool with Motorola banning the iPhone you're cool with with Apple banning Moto or Samsung.

posted on 05 Nov 2011, 21:02

66. AndroidOS (Posts: 100; Member since: 21 Jun 2011)


Actually I wouldn't be being a hypocrite. If Motor banned Apple everyone would think it would be okay because they aren't the ones trying to ridiculously sue everyone and automatically go for a ban instead of royalties all the time.

So your statement makes no sense.

posted on 05 Nov 2011, 17:45 1

58. tedkord (Posts: 12304; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Well, generally, I am against killing. But I don't cry when a murderer is killed. It's not so upsetting when cosmic justice is handed out.

posted on 05 Nov 2011, 21:03

67. AndroidOS (Posts: 100; Member since: 21 Jun 2011)


Exactly.

posted on 06 Nov 2011, 03:43 1

71. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


Totally agree. Perfect words..well said.

posted on 05 Nov 2011, 03:51 8

6. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 813; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)


Now things are getting more and more interesting. . . Lawyers are the true winners anyways. . .

posted on 05 Nov 2011, 03:59 13

8. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


so they won on the same type of case that Samsung is suing them over. Wonder if that helps samsung's case at all.

I say, ban the iphone in all the countries the iphone has successfully banned another product, and collect royalties from the rest. :) They would be like the 4th person to take a cut of iphone products.. lol.

posted on 05 Nov 2011, 04:12 4

9. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 813; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)


Makes me wonder if that Apple Pie is really delicious, since many of them has already took a slice of that so called Apple Pie. LOL

posted on 05 Nov 2011, 04:27 9

10. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Ask Nokia and MS (and a few patent holders)... they make more off of Apple products than they do off their own.. lol.

posted on 05 Nov 2011, 11:20 1

39. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


That's android buddy not Apple

posted on 05 Nov 2011, 12:49 2

52. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


Android pie is open source and delicious.. filled with so many goodies that anyone can enjoy. Apple pie is just apple.. meh

posted on 05 Nov 2011, 15:06

56. ledbetterp3 (Posts: 467; Member since: 31 Aug 2011)


taco is right, android too, well phone manufacturers for android...

posted on 05 Nov 2011, 15:19 6

57. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Do some research, taco

MS OWNS like 25% of Apple.. They dont get royalty payments from the iphone, they get 25% of all profits. Thats way more than they make from WP7.

Nokia just got a huuuuge lump settlement and permanent profit sharing from iphone sales for patent infringements.

And there are a half a dozen smaller companies that do the same.


No matter how much you turn a blind eye to apple, the rest of the world doesnt. They are notorious theives and copywrite infringers.

There are people making money off android, but nowhere near the amount that they make off Apple.

posted on 05 Nov 2011, 19:43

61. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


You're wrong as usual. Microsoft bought stocks in Apple back in 97 that expired. They no longer own anything from Apple.

YOu repeat the same lame arugments even though you're wrong over and over.

Can you share Microsofts profits from Apple vs Android from a reliable source?

posted on 06 Nov 2011, 10:07

72. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Stocks dont expire dodo. a stock is an ownership stake in the company until you decide to sell it. MS has not sold their stock in Apple. And as a reminder SJ BEGGED MS to buy all that stock so they could raise capital to get the failing company off the ground.

So to twist something that you continually say,
Every time you use your iphone, you should thank Bill Gates.

posted on 06 Nov 2011, 13:07 1

75. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


Microsoft purchased $150 million of non-voting Apple stock as part of a resolution to a long running legal dispute over their use of certain features that resembled those used in the Mac. The stock was later sold back to Apple for a profit.

REMIX.... wrong.... trying to sound smart and turn you into an idiot.... welcome to the club...

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