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Three days after San Bernardino attack, Apple delivered parcels of information to the feds

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While many are taking shots at Apple for not helping the government investigate the San Bernardino terrorist attack by unlocking Syed Farook's Apple iPhone 5c, the truth might actually be a lot different. Based on a court filing by an Apple attorney, the company delivered "two parcels" of information related to subscriber data just three days after the attack. Most believe that this was iCloud information related to three different subscribers and nine different accounts.

The legal battle between Apple and the government has cast a spotlight on Apple CEO Tim Cook

The legal battle between Apple and the government has cast a spotlight on Apple CEO Tim Cook

On January 22nd, the attorney (named Lisa Olle) said that Apple received a search warrant for the same iCloud information for Farook's iPhone. On January 26th, Apple complied with the search warrant and handed over to the government all of the information it had. Around this time, Apple discovered that the Apple ID of the phone in question had been reset by the San Bernardino County Department of Health, which actually owned the iPhone 5c it had given to the terrorist. The local agency did this at the behest of the FBI, and it was a major mistake. Had the password not been reset, Apple could have obtained the information sought by the feds. This could have been accomplished by backing up the content and data on the phone to iCloud, using a Wi-Fi network. Apple is now planning on encrypting such data to prevent the government from requesting it in the future.

And that brings us to the court order that Apple refuses to comply with. The positions are now well known. Apple is concerned that developing a unique Govt.OS to unlock the phone used by the deceased terrorist could end up with the software in the wrong hands. This could threaten the security of every iPhone holder. The government, and GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump, say that Apple is more concerned with its business than the possibility that future terror attacks could be thwarted with the information that Apple won't help the government discover.

But like most things in life, this is not a black and white issue. And despite that sound of hot air rising (no, wait, that's Donald Trump talking!), Apple has responded to previous requests for information. And consider this. There is a line that has to be drawn somewhere. Instead of being called unpatriotic or worse, Apple is taking a stand against a government request that could be seen as overreaching. And while today it is just a smartphone, tomorrow it could be Uncle Sam breaking down your door because the government wants some information from you. And the feds don't even think that examining Farook's phone will yield anything of value about other suspects!

"The government obtained the Order without notice to Apple and without allowing Apple an opportunity to be heard. [...] But this was not a case where the government needed to proceed in secret to safeguard its investigation; indeed, Apple understands that the government alerted reporters before filing its ex parte application, and then, immediately after it was signed and confirmed to be on the docket, distributed the application and Order to the public at about the same time it notified Apple. Moreover, this is the only case in counsel's memory in which an FBI Director has blogged in real-time about pending litigation, suggesting that the government does not believe the data on the phone will yield critical evidence about other suspects."-Apple

The record submitted by Apple (and not denied by the feds) reveals that Apple has done every thing it could without hurting its customers' privacy, to turn over information about this case. Tim Cook even said this on the day the story blew up to become our new national pastime in the states. There are those who say Apple is not a good corporate citizen. It would seem that the opposite is true.

Circle March 22nd on your calendar. Not only is Apple expected to unveil the 4-inch Apple iPhone SE, the 9.7-inch Apple iPad Pro and a refresh version Apple Watch on that date, the court is also holding hearings on this matter.

   Lisa Olle Declaration in Support by Mikey Campbell



source: Scribd via AppleInsider

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posted on 28 Feb 2016, 03:25 12

1. RoboticEngi (Posts: 722; Member since: 03 Dec 2014)


Omg every where I read one tech writer after the other trying to defend apple. It's hilarious to read all these pathetic excuses to why apple is doing what they are doing......if you put them all together one would think they are about to save mankind.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 03:37 15

2. Ashoaib (Posts: 3229; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)


Apple is not wrong... although I dont like their previous creepy cooperartion with NSA but I second Tim Cock on this case... if iphone is sold only in US then there is no problem to create a back door... But iphone is an international phone and why should none US people also be opened up for spying?

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 05:21 5

28. ph00ny (Posts: 1238; Member since: 26 May 2011)


but they're only asking for access to this phone. Even if they have to make "something", they can make it so that it only runs on authorized device

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 07:31 9

38. joeytaylor (Posts: 445; Member since: 28 Feb 2015)


The U.S. Government cannot force anybody to make something that doesn't exist

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 09:13 6

51. miket1737 (Posts: 2549; Member since: 17 Mar 2013)


It doesn't matter if they are asking to unlock just "one device". This sets a bad precedent and you can't permanently erase something digital and even if is somehow " all deleted" (the backdoor software), records still have to be kept for on the methodology of doing all this and this would give hackers and big hacking groups a "floorplan"

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 12:39 2

66. ph00ny (Posts: 1238; Member since: 26 May 2011)


I have no idea which method Apple's remote wipe uses but I can confirm that regular deletion of items on mobile devices use same methodology as computers and only removes the content record from the index leaving the mobile device vulnerable to equipments made by companies like Cellebrite which makes recovery of deleted items a breeze including the ability to create physical forensic image to be re-examined at later time.

As for setting precedence, just because you've built a fortress to prevent people from entering doesn't mean it's immune from search warrants. If Apple does succeed and it does require a change in law for FBI to receive assistance from Apple, doesn't that set a precedence for criminals to utilize Apple devices to hide their activities?

Issue at hand here is the lack of ability to run brute force for the pin number and that they have limited number of tries before it wipes the devices.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 16:57 1

75. 14545 (Posts: 1545; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


Wait, so it's ok to spy on US citizens? You should re-read the 4th amendment.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 03:37 6

4. GreenMan (Posts: 1267; Member since: 09 Nov 2015)


@RoboticEngi What if the guy Farook had a Samsung?
Well, enough said...!

I'm not an iSheep, nor I'm an "sGoat"...

I'm a gMan! Which means Goggle Nexus fanatic!

But Apple has my full support...

BTW, U.S had about three mass murders since then, and non of them got as much of a spot light...

So, does it means that it's okay when a white guy kill another white guy?

Yankees are too foolish to be trusted even with a BB Gun! Let alone a semi automatic rifle!

G'Day!

posted on 29 Feb 2016, 07:20

86. Jango (Posts: 305; Member since: 24 Oct 2014)


you sir are the voice of truth and reason

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 03:38 1

5. GreenMan (Posts: 1267; Member since: 09 Nov 2015)


@RoboticEngi What if the guy Farook had a Samsung?
Well, enough said...!

I'm not an iSheep, nor I'm an "sGoat"...

I'm a gMan! Which means Goggle Nexus fanatic!

But Apple has my full support...

BTW, U.S had about three mass murders since then, and non of them got as much of a spot light...

So, does it means that it's okay when a white guy kill another white guy?

Yankees are too foolish to be trusted even with a BB Gun! Let alone a semi automatic rifle!

G'Day!

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 04:24 13

17. Wiencon (Posts: 1883; Member since: 06 Aug 2014)


Your posts are even more difficult to read than Techie's essays

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 04:31 2

21. GreenMan (Posts: 1267; Member since: 09 Nov 2015)


@wiencon I shall take it as a compliment...

I'm grateful...!

posted on 29 Feb 2016, 05:03

82. ANDRIODMAN33 (Posts: 5; Member since: 29 Feb 2016)


NO he is saying you are a moron. You need to stop say the s**t that comes out of you mouth as it sinks of s**t.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 04:34 8

22. ibend (Posts: 4649; Member since: 30 Sep 2014)


brace yourself, Techies essays are coming..

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 04:44 6

23. S.R.K. (banned) (Posts: 678; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)


I Look forward to reading them. Very informative are he's post.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 04:58 7

27. Awalker (Posts: 1506; Member since: 15 Aug 2013)


Once someone's post goes beyond a paragraph I skip over it. It's a comment section on a tech site but some feel the need to post their college dissertation.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 11:48

64. quakan (Posts: 1373; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)


Comment of the year

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 16:50 1

73. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 10138; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


I never went to college. But thanks for three compliment. Lol

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 09:14 4

52. miket1737 (Posts: 2549; Member since: 17 Mar 2013)


Lol thinking Techie is super informative and accurate with the information he says is like believing in everything Trump says and does

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 08:08 4

43. sissy246 (Posts: 1055; Member since: 04 Mar 2015)


Good I also like reading them. Sometimes he makes good points sometimes not.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 09:17 1

53. DoggyDangerous (Posts: 859; Member since: 28 Aug 2015)


true. Sometime he makes good points and gives very informative examples. So, I am not in a favor to bash him on a long paragraph. But sometime he really goes over the board and look desperate to made his point valid.

Wow, we are remembering him in his absence. Probably, he is a pretty famous guy. Good for him.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 09:30

57. S.R.K. (banned) (Posts: 678; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)


He's Phonearenas famous user.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 10:57 4

63. jeroome86 (Posts: 1138; Member since: 12 Apr 2012)


False. He's full of himself and annoys most people on here. Not all but most. It doesn't take a essay to say I hate Apple.

Fact. You can say this in 3 words.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 16:53

74. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 10138; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


I don't hate Apple.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 03:55 11

8. Hallyu (Posts: 403; Member since: 21 Jul 2015)


Ok, to all the Apple supporters. They just ask the fruit to unlock the terrorist's phone, not YOUR phone? Why do you guys feel so insecure? Do you have some criminal records in your phone or something? Geez, I can't believe society these days. This is why your America is full of crime, terrorism and racism, yet you guys still can't see a reason why. smh

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 04:02 3

13. S.R.K. (banned) (Posts: 678; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)


So along comes Apple and makes really lovely machines that people instinctively know how to use. Or at least how to switch on. More than that, the company offers real live human beings in their neighborhood who can help them when there's something they don't understand.

Stupid dumbasses.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 10:05 3

62. jovy1212003 (Posts: 11; Member since: 27 Feb 2016)


Why are you posting on an apple article??? I ignore all android articles because I could care less about buying any of their phones that go free after 6 months!!!

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 04:26 6

19. Clars123 (Posts: 732; Member since: 16 Mar 2015)


I'm not an Apple supporter but you clearly don't understand the issue..the FBI isn't just asking Apple to UNLOCK THE PHONE..it's asking for software that will make them able to UNLOCK ALL THE iPHONES IN THE WORLD...and that's the cause of debate....I would personally say that apple should just take the damn phone and unlock that one device rather than giving the FBI the software but that's extremely oversimplified...and privacy is a lot more than 'having some criminal records on your phone'

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 08:39

48. Plutonium239 (Posts: 1048; Member since: 17 Mar 2015)


Actually, it only would work on all Iphone 5c models, an antiquated model... And Apple could take back the special IOS version it wrote for it after it is installed on that phone and delete it...

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 12:41

68. ph00ny (Posts: 1238; Member since: 26 May 2011)


They're clearly not asking for a software to unlock all iphones in the world. They're just asking for assistance on this particular one with court order in tow

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 05:22 2

29. ph00ny (Posts: 1238; Member since: 26 May 2011)


You make it sound as if other countries don't have crime. We all know about crime rates in korea

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 05:34 2

30. SenorThrottles (Posts: 284; Member since: 23 Dec 2015)


You clearly don't understand the situation so just don't comment on it.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 09:12 1

50. Micah007 (Posts: 254; Member since: 09 Oct 2014)


Oh enough of that. I'm tired of this make believe slippery slope that likely will never come to pass.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 09:20

54. DoggyDangerous (Posts: 859; Member since: 28 Aug 2015)


Hey Hallyu, what are your feelings about G5 and S7? both are from your neighborhood. Like you always praise Lg and Samsung. Now which one do you like the most?

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 09:32

58. S.R.K. (banned) (Posts: 678; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)


O come on definitely the Ugly G5.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 09:40

61. DoggyDangerous (Posts: 859; Member since: 28 Aug 2015)


yes it is, but it is also something unique.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 17:03 2

76. 14545 (Posts: 1545; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


I am far from an Apple supporter, but do you want your phone unlocked at the whim of the feds? Also, this would directly require apple to build special software that doesn't exist to open this phone. Once that is done, it can be used on ANY Apple phone. Then, they will come after Google. All in the name of "safety" by the dimwitted public. Even though the feds haven't successfully stopped "terrorism" before or after the PATRIOT act. But hey, lets give these incompetent a-holes more power.

posted on 01 Mar 2016, 19:12

88. Plutonium239 (Posts: 1048; Member since: 17 Mar 2015)


That is incorrect, it would only work on all other Iphone 5c models, no others would be afflicted, and Apple could easily ensure that it isn't stolen or used on other phones than just this single one...

posted on 29 Feb 2016, 05:06

83. ANDRIODMAN33 (Posts: 5; Member since: 29 Feb 2016)


you Need to shut up. And you have no idea what what you are talking about for the fact that you don't live here.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 04:49 1

25. FoneAddict (Posts: 259; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)


Another FBI cover up.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 14:22 1

72. Hypergy (Posts: 54; Member since: 24 Feb 2016)


Once a valid warrant has been issued, the right of privacy ends. Apple, like any other citizen, has an obligation to assist the government in any way that it can to implement the warrant.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 17:05 1

77. 14545 (Posts: 1545; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


Key here, ASSIST, not work for the government. They have assisted with they reasonably can. Asking more is just stupid.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 03:37 5

3. KillTheKardashians (banned) (Posts: 93; Member since: 19 Feb 2016)


iTerrorist

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 03:43 1

6. GreenMan (Posts: 1267; Member since: 09 Nov 2015)


iTerrorist?

Says the iHater, Ha!

Why? Guess, the poor Kardashians aren't enough! Just like the world isn't enough...

Eh, mate?

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 03:45 7

7. KillTheKardashians (banned) (Posts: 93; Member since: 19 Feb 2016)


You mad bro ? Eh ? Eh ? Äh ? Äeh ? Eä ? Öäeh ? Öäeüh ?

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 03:57 8

10. S.R.K. (banned) (Posts: 678; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)


I think he's supporting terrorism. ?

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 04:06 1

15. GreenMan (Posts: 1267; Member since: 09 Nov 2015)


@S.R.K You're merely assuming things from my end, fine fellow...

I don't support terrorism, but I do support privacy... As my old man used to say (may his soul rest in peace) that "Privacy is a privilege"...

There's a good reason behind why I have no respect for Facebook...

Now your mileage may vary, and I respect that...

Stay Blessed!

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 03:59 2

11. GreenMan (Posts: 1267; Member since: 09 Nov 2015)


@KillTheKardashians Now this is just unacceptable...

Mocking an old timer like me. Have some mercy, lad!

BTW, life is too short to hold grudges in your heart... That's the most precious lesson my agonizingly Long life has taught me...

You may embrace it, love it, learn something from it or just laugh at it... It up to you, young one!

G'Day!

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 04:00 3

12. KillTheKardashians (banned) (Posts: 93; Member since: 19 Feb 2016)


I've been alone with you inside my mind
And in my dreams
I've kissed your lips a thousand times
I sometimes see you pass outside my door
Hello
Is it me you're looking for

I can see it in your eyes
I can see it in your smile
You're all I've ever wanted
And my arms are open wide
'Cause you know just what to say
And you know just what to do
And I want to tell you so much
I love you

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 04:05 4

14. S.R.K. (banned) (Posts: 678; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)


Never argue with Apple. They know what their customers are. If they say their customers are inept and foolish, then that's because they they are... and they will sell them devices that cater to that... and people who ARE inept and foolish will buy them.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 09:30 1

56. DoggyDangerous (Posts: 859; Member since: 28 Aug 2015)


Hey dude. Most of the users on PA are kids or teenagers or students. Relax dude, they have yet to come to practical life. They are just kids, so let them enjoy their self and plz dont feel sad about anyone's remarks.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 03:56 3

9. S.R.K. (banned) (Posts: 678; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)


iDemise and doomed of Apple. Lol.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 04:06 4

16. Zylam (Posts: 766; Member since: 20 Oct 2010)


Even the haters can't hate on Apple for this. Apples the only company with the ability to stand up against agencies that only want to steal from the user. You never get any carrier bloat on an iPhone, never did and never will, because Apple has created such a brand imagine that other agencies have no choice but to back off.

Also here it's beyond clear the feds have zero interest in the actual data on the phone, they just want to use this high profile case as an excuse to get access to any iPhone in the future, local or overseas. I bet they reset the password on purpose so they couldn't be given the data and hence they wouldn't be able to try and exploit Apple.

Apple has exceeded what I thought of them, this is incredible how they are taking bullets left right and center to protect their users. Haters will never get it, it's alrite though.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 04:25 1

18. GreenMan (Posts: 1267; Member since: 09 Nov 2015)


@zylam: I'm taking the liberty of quoting a string of text from your post.

I quote: "they just want to use this high profile case as an excuse to get access to any iPhone in the future".

To all sGoats, THIS!!!

It's your bloody feds to blame! The iPhone in question was in FBI possession when its iCloud password got reset...

Still don't believe me? Well, that's what I expect from a Samsung Goat...!

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 07:16

37. Zylam (Posts: 766; Member since: 20 Oct 2010)


@Green, yup you're more than welcome buddy! They won't ever get it, they hate apple because of its success, it's alrite Apple will still stand up for its users regardless of how many people bash them and that is worthy of respect.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 07:55 7

42. S.R.K. (banned) (Posts: 678; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)


This a fun thread,
Apple revolutionized the "smart phone" as we know it today. They just haven't really let go with development. If they really let their ideas fly they would blow away anything... However that's not apples style.. they figured out how to milk every penny from their customers and they are keeping it that way. They release a "whole new phone" every so often and everyone runs to get it. They have those customers owned, they are very closed minded when it comes to their phones... I was laughing at a customer I had cone in.. he thought his iPhone 4s was a gift from god.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 19:09 1

78. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 10138; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


Yes they helped make the smartphone what it is and like every other OEM that was in top, they stopped innovating when the cash just falls out the sky.

The reason Microsoft is not relevant, but should have been is because they laughed instead of moving Windows forward.

Windows Mobile could have been what Android is now is Microsoft had did what a Google did. Make Windows Mobile free, have devs make apps and support different hardware configs, just as Windows always had.

They blew it. Apple is falling into that same groove. SAMSUNG can't because several OEMs use Android. If they wanna stay in top they gotta fight for it.

These goons who own their own software, just don't get it. Apple could have single handedly owned this business for 5 years and it lasted two.

They need to understand that being big doesn't mean you can just sell us anything.

posted on 29 Feb 2016, 04:31

81. S.R.K. (banned) (Posts: 678; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)


Very well said Techie.

Apple and Microsoft are to bigoted and egoistic aswell as big-headed. Suits them well focusing on patent trolling. Instead of innovating. Hope Apple becomes like Ms or Nokia soon. I deeply hate bullies and cowards.

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 04:47 3

24. Inotamira (Posts: 173; Member since: 06 Feb 2016)


Maybe, just MAYBE, most of these people you label "haters" are people using actual facts that you refuse to recognize? No, that can't be the case, that would mean that the crap they churn out to schmucks like you is actually crap, right? No, we can't have that, that phone makes you cool because of pixy magic and fairy farts, how dare anyone speak the truth about it!

posted on 28 Feb 2016, 06:06

32. nodes (Posts: 730; Member since: 06 Mar 2014)


haters don't even care about phones, or products.
they just...hate.

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