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The users: Nokia will be better off with Android

0. phoneArena 29 Jan 2013, 04:52 posted on

Last week was a great one for Nokia as the company announced that it's become profitable again, at least for the period of Q4 2012. Naturally, this makes us think that the company has a chance of stabilizing with Windows Phone as its main mobile operating system. However, even after the good news, most users seem to have remained firmly convinced that the Finns will be better off if they switch to Android, like... right now...

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posted on 29 Jan 2013, 07:41 3

40. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


However, there was a 4th option that was not part of the poll.

If you look in the comments, most of us championed "they should do both Windows and Android instead of one or the other".

One or the other is a silly maneuver for uneducated armchair quarterbacks. Diversify and conquer.

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 07:54 1

42. wendygarett (unregistered)


Oh remixfa... If only you have enough money to fund Nokia to adopt both during Nokia recession period :)

on the serious sides, due to the scarcity of the resources, such as cash, Nokia has no choice but to adopt only one and not both :)

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 18:18 1

79. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


on the super serious side,

The license fees to Google are MUCH cheaper than the license fees to Microsoft. Also, that would make no sense even if that wasnt true. $25 license fee, they produce 1 handset, make half of them android and half of them WP7/8. They make 20-40% profit margins on high end android sales which will help feed their lower margin WP7/8 handsets.

ITS THE SAME TECHNOLOGY WITH DIFFERENT SOFTWARE.

Wendy, stick to being a fake girl with hot profile pics of asian models.. leave the thinking up to the geeks. :)

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 08:31 6

48. jedpatrickdatu (Posts: 167; Member since: 24 Jan 2013)


Please no Android, I like today's Nokia as it is. Sure, Android is more popular and could save Nokia faster than Windows Phone can, but Nokia doesn't just want to get money and survive; they also want to differentiate themselves and be a unique third option in the cell phone market instead of being just another droid manufacturer. It's risky, but they went with it, which I strongly admire them for.

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 09:18 2

56. -RVM- (Posts: 331; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


The best OS would be Maemo, if Nokia decided back in 2010 to stick with it. Nowadays, i would like to see Nokia's with Sailfish OS and Android app compatibility.

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 09:18

57. nvrhde (Posts: 77; Member since: 10 Nov 2012)


Android, ios, WP, they are just Mobile Os right?

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 09:18

58. -RVM- (Posts: 331; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)


Nokias *

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 09:34 3

60. CorianU (Posts: 27; Member since: 22 Jan 2013)


That'd be awkward with android on a Nokia. I wouldn't buy it

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 10:00

63. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)


As majority has said already, make both.

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 10:19 4

64. gwhyte01 (Posts: 44; Member since: 09 Jul 2008)


I don't get what ppl don't see about the android market. Htc, Samsung, lg, sony, moto, zte, acer, ausus, Toshiba, viewsonic, sony ericsson, dell, hauwei, sanyo, Lenovo, nec, casio, pantech, archos, kindle, nook, etc....Look at all the android device makers out there. theres only ONE.......COUNT IT ONE......DEVICE MANUFACTURER out there that's profiting from android....ONE. Dell tried and gave up....there are too many android manufacturers, too many devices..some that doesn't even need to exist period.. I don't hate on android but the fact that a company like htc went yeeaarrs on wm and racked on some serious cash, switch to android and for 2 years they made money and then tanked....tanked!. Then a renewal in faith and commitment to the windows phone platform, htc's 8x and 8s actually made them a profit....Money. Sure they sold android devices, but they didn't make a profit from them... they did from windows phone 8....So all of android wishers out there....NO. NOKIA SHOULD NOT RUIN THIER COMPANY WITH ANDROID. The 920, 820, and so fourth are unique in their own special way...and that's just perfect.

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 18:03

77. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Only difference between that and WP market is less phones. WP has Nokia, Samsung, HTC, LG if they do any WP 8 phones, Huawei, Acer, Dell and a few others. I know Dell cant be making any money with WP.

What happens if one day one of the others....lets say Samsung....start getting all the WP profits? Nokia would still be in the same boat. Like Samsung making all the profits with Android...Nokia is doing that with WP. So in that sense I agree....they dont need to do Android.....they are doing with WP what Samsung is doing with Android.

So the real question is...and next article should be...when is Samsung, HTC, Acer and the others gonna stop making WP devices?

HTC tanked not just because of Samsung....but because of HTC. Questionable hardware, user experience. Even if Samsung had hardware and software issues...they were usually decent in the battery dept. Sense UI and the small batterries HTC used hurt them in the battery dept. Especially compared to Motorola and Samsung.

Samsung didnt start where they are today....they started behind HTC and Motorola. Samsung was the only one between them 3 to really cover all the bases as best as possible. They had a dedicated phone line on all 4 carriers in the US...Galaxy S. HTC just started doing the One line and I think Moto is about to do that too. Samsung also has the most phones across all the major US carriers: high, mid range and low end. Moto is mostly high end now. Maybe mid range. HTC has lots of phones too...Samsung isnt making all the profits just because their name is Samsung...they worked hard to get to this point.

If Nokia is as great as some of yall say.....they would and should give Samsung a run for their money in Android land. But at this point in time....they dont need to do an Android phone.

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 19:29

83. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


HTC also was using older chips when Moto and Samsung were on to chips with a smaller nm number. The nm number gets smaller and it helps with battery life.

In mid 2010 Moto and Samsung started using 45nm chips...HTC was using 65nm. They didnt go to 45nm until almost the end of the year, and into the next year. That combined with smaller batteries, Sense UI doing so much background stuff = battery life nightmare.

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 22:04 1

89. kujee (Posts: 11; Member since: 03 May 2011)


think again even the profit from Nokia's wp is not totaly nokia's microsoft has a share... look how degrading nokia became after the merge......it feels like they are sucking nokia's blood. on Fact's level. everyone knows that apps are easier to make for linux , android, even IOS more than WP and if not easier.... then Cheaper. Maaaaan even the MS UI forces nokia on a specific designes and will reduce creativity and unique aspects known by nokia

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 10:38

67. Loubielou (Posts: 515; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Ever Since Mr Elop moved in at Nokia an he knew is Old Employees were Struggling to keep up with Apple in the Mobile an Computer Markets,He as Since made no Thought of what Consumers what from Smartphones,Zune is Wrong an having no Micro Sd Card slots on Phones is Wrong,Bluetooth was so Simple to use on Symbian phones but not on Windows,Symbian phones were so easy to Customize but Windows are Just Horrible to Look at with Tiles,Android is more like Symbian,an thats Why alot of people have left Nokia for Android phones,Even Meego should have been Advanced by Nokia,an the N9 was alot wasted money by Nokia as they would not let it be sold Globally because Mr Elop was scared of it being more popular than Windows

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 11:27 1

70. Nataku (Posts: 3; Member since: 29 Jan 2013)


Nokia won't be ready to jump ship for until maybe another 2yrs. Right now,their company still isn't stable enough to compete head-on with samsung, motorola, HTC, or Sony. At least when they partner with window, Window will help them in promoting Window Phones. If they jump ship, they'll be all on their own and evidently will get crushed by these big companies. Nokia is still in shaky grounds right now. So probably won't be a good idea.

Although, if I am the CEO of Nokia, I will look into merging or buying out Blackberry because it seems like Blackberry is aiming to take part in Nokia's market share. If they take over blackberry, Nokia will become a much more powerful company to compete with Samsung, HTC, and the rest.

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 21:56 1

88. kujee (Posts: 11; Member since: 03 May 2011)


did you notice that rim is adopting N9 UI in bb10

posted on 30 Jan 2013, 06:12

92. Nataku (Posts: 3; Member since: 29 Jan 2013)


yea i did saw the similarities. that's why suggesting to buy out bb would be a better deal for nokia instead of having a law suit with each other like samsung and apple.

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 12:46 1

73. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


WP8 has only been around for just a few months, and it's already the fastest growing mobile OS on the planet. Give it a few years, and then we'll see if Nokia made a mistake by not adopting Android. I personally think WP is already the third ecosystem, and will entrench itself by stealing market share from iOs and Android. We'll see...

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 18:08

78. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


I wouldnt count RIM out just yet. BB10 looks real nice. Already there are iPhone users I know thinking about going back to their first love....RIM.

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 21:53

87. kujee (Posts: 11; Member since: 03 May 2011)


well ..... my comment is a mail sent to Nokia's board of directors,
Dear respectable members of the board,

I would like to share my opinions and beliefs with you as a loyal customer, caring user worried investor and a fan to your products and services. Considering my average knowledge of the marketing, distribution, computer engineering as well as experience as an end user for smart phones market, I just feel being obligated to inform you that there is a fatal wrong decision that by time will decrease the value of your success in the industry. Just to associate my viewpoints with proofs and statistics allow me to explain further; my concerns are to be structured through out the letter and each point I will claim will be followed by either an example, proof or an undeniable fact. Lately, it has been obvious to the regular end user that the company is facing financial difficulties due to the drop of its profits, market share and simply it's sold devices. The selling of the Nokia building in Finland, the price drop in handsets, the focus on the low end devices. Switching to windows mobile platform – in my humble point of view- is not a very wise decision especially depending totally on that platform for all hi and med-range products lines. It is a mere known fact that Microsoft offer a very poor support for developers requiring high coasts for licensing provide a very poor marketplace for the Windows Phone ecosystem. Even if the developers will gain faith somehow or even if Microsoft - doubtfully- would change its policy regarding developers and financial approach to the software development. The shift between the current approach and the new perspective will take a lot of effort, time coasts and damage therefor, side effects will coast Nokia corporation a lot . Competition between open source markets and total closed source market is already fierce; competitors like Apple are facing hard times competing with the shift in the industry. On platform level, it is logical to consider free applications download from a market place rather than paid ones in the economic stressful current conditions. Even if we would say that there is a possibility of a success story for both Microsoft and Nokia, how much pure benefit will Nokia alone gain from that merge. On the other hand, Nokia does already have it's faithful base of loyal QT developers base and it's almost a pure successful platforms namely Maemo and Meego. For an instance; compared to Bada OS, community responses, customer's experience, developers loyalty even regular users are more interested in Both Nokia N900 N9and Nokai N950 despite the poor commercial support for these handsets, latterly developers struggle to make something with Linux based QT Friendly devices because it is a fact that development with these tools and environments is much easier, more productive and UI friendly .... the rest is on my face book page

posted on 29 Jan 2013, 23:03

90. sskee (Posts: 2; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


Nokia is consider only mobile hardware maker now, why restricted to only one OS, be more like samsung, HTC... make both WP and Android phones...

posted on 30 Jan 2013, 05:40

91. kujee (Posts: 11; Member since: 03 May 2011)


the whole mail sent to Nokia on my New Face book acount
facebook.com/pages/Too-Good-to-Be-True/33099308700​5571#

posted on 30 Jan 2013, 08:36

101. kujee (Posts: 11; Member since: 03 May 2011)


it is wrong to go android but it is also wrong to stick only to windows phone ( SUPPORT YOUR OWN DEVELOPERS NOKIA MAEMO AND MEEGO WERE UNIQUE )

posted on 30 Jan 2013, 08:44

102. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1556; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)


Folks it has been a useless aspiration up to this point to think Nokia would go Android but now that they have made some profit they may well be able to afford to make an android variation of the Nokia Lumia 920 before they retire that case design. Nokia is rumored to be making a Verizon "Laser" 920 variation smart phone. I do not see it a hard thing for Android to be put on a Nokia Lumia 920. I am Nokia Windows smart Phone fan but have
have always felt that Nokia should make a good Android smart phone when they could afford to spend the money to money to make one. Nokia has feli in the past that Android
was not a good bet because everybody and their brother is making them and Nokia would not standout enough to make money selling them. Now that they are making a profit Nokia
might be able to afford to port Android Jellybean to the Nokia lumia 920 and kill the Android competition and make a few more bucks in profit

posted on 30 Jan 2013, 12:01

106. Nataku (Posts: 3; Member since: 29 Jan 2013)


I don't think you understand how business work. the Lumia 920 is already considered an out dated mobile phone. by the time they're done with the contract for android, the iphone 6 or 7 would've been out already.
in the short-run, they might be able to make a few quick buck but in the long-run, they're looking at a major lost. Nokia just recently re-established their place in the mobile industry. Before WP Nokia was lost and can't find their niche because of iphones and androids. Nokia nearly bankrupt itself trying to create the perfect OS to compete with Apple and Google. While at the same time try to create the ideal hardware product for their customers.
What Nokia fail to understand is that Apple and Google have deep pockets.. And I do mean A LOT of money and they can easily afford to compete with Nokia. Not the other way around.

Now in present day. After coming back from the dead, Nokia has two major supporters that can help them fight the good fight and stands out in the market. WINDOWS and PANASONIC. Windows will focus on the OS to compete with Android and Panasonic will focus behind the scene on the Cameras and Lens (Which are quite expansive) that can compete with all other phones out there especially Sony and Samsung. Nokia will focus solely on the designs, other hardwares, and concepts of the phone (chips, screen, etc). This is a great team and their annual report shows that they are a great team together.
NOw, lets say if Nokia did adapt some phones to be android os. This will break the trust between WP and at the same time Panasonic will be push into the public to compete against two giants which is Sony and Samsung.
If Panasonic is pushed in public to compete with these two giants, Panasonic will end up like Nokia when it tries to compete with Apple and Google. No good will come out of it and it could even put Panasonic in near of bankruptcy.

You have to understand Panasonic and WP are Nokia's saviors... Like Nokia's left and right arms. If any of them gave up on Nokia then Nokia will end up back in square one dragging the other arm down along with them.

The only competition that Nokia can truly compete with is BB, RIM. If you read my post from above. I explained a little. But if WP adapted some of BB10 UI, Nokia will be one fearsome competitor to the rest of the companies in the mobile industry.

posted on 30 Jan 2013, 17:13

107. Cryptic (Posts: 5; Member since: 30 Jan 2013)


I think the results don't convey the real opinion of the people. I don't think that Nokia should add Android just yet. The issue is that MS needs to complete WP8 quickly so that they can compete with iOS and Android. Because we the customers need more than 2 or 3 os, so WP needs to succeed. But on another note Nokia could become more like Nokia if they were using Android which is what we really want. The real question is will MS allow Nokia to improve on their os. If they will, then WP may be all Nokia needs.

posted on 30 Jan 2013, 18:17 1

108. hepresearch (unregistered)


This entire debate is irrelevant if Nokia does not have the capital sitting around to pull off yet another switch and wait out all of the long-term nastiness that goes along with a big transition like that, no matter what they are going to next.

Nokia survived the Symbian/MeeGo to Windows Phone transition by the skin of their teeth, even with Microsoft's help and the support of carriers, and nearly lost everything at a couple of different points where they hung on to that cliff of survival by the end of the noses of every member of the board (but especially Pinochio's... errr, I mean Elop's). If Nokia could have switched to Android straight from Symbian, that would have been far better for them, but I wouldn't have them try to re-do that switch now, after the fact, when they are now so weakened that I doubt they would survive another foolish attempt at a transition this late in the game.

posted on 01 Feb 2013, 09:01

118. jameshoe (unregistered)


I, #Lumia Switcher, Windows Phone OS is really did somethings good for me, but I would like more to be interesting in ANDROID because some apps & games is only available in there T.T

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