The users: Nokia will be better off with Android
0. phoneArena 29 Jan 2013, 04:52 posted on
Last week was a great one for Nokia as the company announced that it's become profitable again, at least for the period of Q4 2012. Naturally, this makes us think that the company has a chance of stabilizing with Windows Phone as its main mobile operating system. However, even after the good news, most users seem to have remained firmly convinced that the Finns will be better off if they switch to Android, like... right now...
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71. lyndon420 (Posts: 4185; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
Seen any tv spots lately where kids are used to show the simplicity of using Android? Oops...that's WP...my bad. Kids are a lot smarter these days than you give them credit for, and it kind of makes you look bad by saying its for kids when you are unsure how to use a product to its full potential.
98. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
Oh my God. My point regarding kids was linked to the fact that I find Android gimmicky. I have a SGS3 and it's fantastic but I'm just bored with Android. I think perhaps it's because there are too many options to customise.
110. jroc74 (Posts: 6004; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
And thats why I took what you said literally....cuz you literally said it.
If you are bored with Andorid, thats fine. Some ppl do wanna a change of scenery. I dont think that makes it for kids all of a sudden tho.
I know someone in their laet 20's doing college work a few years ago that had to use my Android phone because their BB internet experience was lacking greatly. They used my Android phone to complete and turn in the work.
They became an Android and iPhone convert after that experience. I dont think they will ever go back to BB. I dont really know.
113. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
OK.....look I retract the 'Android is for Kids' statement and replace it with 'it is my opinion that Android is a bit too gimmicky'
I hope this ends the matter lol
44. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
I'm an "everyday user" (I don't hack my daily-use phones or install non-approved apps), and WP works much better for me than Android. It is innately more clever, appealing, reliable, and efficient, and it gets done what I need it to without fuss, drama, and in less time and fewer steps. Just what an "everyday user" wants and needs. And I didn't have to setup any widgets or macros to do it, or "customize" it just to make it work. It is the most satisfying phone I have yet owned, and I am looking forward to continuing the experience when I upgrade (once T-Mobile gets a Lumia flagship)
109. jroc74 (Posts: 6004; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Only ones you mentioned I have an issue with is its more efficient. Maybe clever and in less time and fewer steps too.
Reliable and gets it done without the fuss....well....I have no complaints about it. I use Motorola mostly. HTC and Samsung had some issues for me.
Widgets....here is some of what I use:
Volume widget that can go between different volume profiles I setup.
Flashlight widget that turns the flash n off.
Beautiful Widgets for time and weather. Time is redundant...but it gives me easy access to the weather and my alarm settings.
My Verizon widget that shows me what my current data use is and access to my account thru my phone.
Widgetsoid that I setup with different on/off widgets. Some turn things on n off...others takes you to the settings area where it is. Widgetsoid is in the pull down shade. It can be on a home screen too.
Widget Locker so I can have whatever widget or icon I want on my lock screen. On my lock screen I have 4 music widgets. 3 stream music and play music off my phone, 1 is stream only...but I can download the streams to my phone for offline use. I have that many cuz I had credits with some and some I got a single song cheaper than the others.
So I ask a serious question.....how would a flashlight app or a volume control app work on WP? Cuz to me...widgets are very efficient and clever. I use the volume one and music ones daily. Flashlight when I need it. Weather one daily now that the weather is going back n forth.
And every widget I mentioned is in the Play store. None need root. Some do get extra functionality with root, but its not needed. I also think widgets are very functional.
20. jove39 (Posts: 1839; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Nokia's decision to with WP is not bad...but they should also embrace Android...all other OEM (Samsung, LG, Huwaei, ...) have WP and Android devices in their portfolio.
21. wendygarett (unregistered)
The sad part is that Nokia has no more money to invest after the 5 years consecutive of loss :(
If Nokia still has excess amount of cash, investors will demand for the android, and they wouldn't vote elop in the 1st places :(
72. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
After Q4 results, Nokia has almost 6 billion in cash. Not bad, for a company ppl like yourself claim is broke ;o)
24. Mozarrt (Posts: 301; Member since: 08 Oct 2011)
Its because everybody is a fandroid on this website.
53. Reluctant_Human (Posts: 885; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
Until the next person calls everyone an iSheep. Grow up and have a real opinion on the topic.
59. Just_a_boy (Posts: 183; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
For me iOS>WP>Android
The positions may change if WP gets more apps
I'm a Lumia 920 user and the phone lose for iPhone only in terms of apps
26. shadez10 (Posts: 427; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)
And then suddenly Google and Nokia releases Nexus N...
Im dreaming... lol
27. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
And pray tell...how do Nokia compete with Samsung, HTC, Sony and the miriad of Chinese manufacturers who are currently getting their act together?
Look at HTC and the quality handsets they are producing at the moment and they can't touch Samsung for sales or profit.
Android is for kids....WP8 is for adults. It has class....more class than a Fandroid can cope with. Nokia and WP8 were made for each other...the highest quality device on the classiest OS....simples
And all this is coming from a current owner of a SGS3! My wife got the HTC 8X just before Christmas and when we are chillin of an evening playing on our respective devices, I just can't stop myself looking enviously at her phone and the classy WP8. I know that there are going to be some trade offs in terms of customization etc, but I don't care. I get my Nokia Lumia 920 on Friday and I am the happiest man alive.
33. lyndon420 (Posts: 4185; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
WP is classy? Sounds like a reason an iUser would use for buying an iphone. Are you sure that's an SG3 in your hand because apple did say people would be confused during the buying process.
36. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
I used to like Android but I've grown out of it. It's all very subjective and everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I find IOS boring and Android is a bit too gimmicky for me now. I've never owned an iPhone and to be honest with you I'm anti Apple and Samsung...too much profit, too much power. I'm going with the underdog for now!
39. jroc74 (Posts: 6004; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
I dont think the millions upon millions of Android users...are kids.
You sound like a Blackberry and iPhone user combined.
45. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
You really shouldn't take everything literally.
I've never used either of them. I've only ever had Android phones and yes I used to love the flexibility of the platform but sometimes too much flexibility can be boring....and quite frankly I'm bored with it. I'm also bored of hearing about Apple vs Samsung and their extortionate profits. Too big, too powerful.
47. RobotMan (Posts: 145; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Don't confuse yourself between Apple and Samsung.
Apple make a lot of profit because of higher profit margin but Samsung need to sell a lot of phone.
50. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
What difference does it make, whichever way you look at it they are both too big and too powerful and their total profit is too big. I'm rooting for the underdog from now on. I'm of the opinion that if a company is making billions of dollars profit, somebody somewhere is being ripped off! It's generally the consumer and the poor kids who work stupid hours for low pay.
81. jroc74 (Posts: 6004; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
lol...there is no other way to take that but literally. You actually said it.
51. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
so what reason do you use for being a Fandroid?
61. lyndon420 (Posts: 4185; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
Choice, with no-one to tell me what I am allowed/not allowed to do with my phone.
97. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
That's fine...fair play to you...and I choose WP because I think it is nicer...fair play to me.
32. StreetNerd (Posts: 819; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
why would we want another android OEM?
Nokia, just stick to WP8.
David vs Goliath ok?
34. DerryAhmad (Posts: 275; Member since: 05 May 2012)
Blah.. No "Both" Option. Samsung and HTC does it. Why shouldn't Nokia? Why limiting the Poll option, Phonearena?
74. kozza3 (Posts: 697; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)
this is a good point, all these other people are too narrow minded
38. jroc74 (Posts: 6004; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
I didnt think better off with Android, I think both WP and Android....at least try. But....now that I think about Nokia apps.....its not gonna happen anytime soon...and it might hurt Nokia if they are not allowed to bring their own apps over to Android.
Who would give in in that situation? Google Maps...Nokia Maps, etc.
46. jroc74 (Posts: 6004; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Now that I think about it.....Verizon Android phones have Google Maps and VZ Navigator...there is a chance a Nokia Android phone would have both Nokia and Google Apps.
62. gwhyte01 (Posts: 44; Member since: 09 Jul 2008)
Vz Navigator on android phones uses google maps.
40. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
However, there was a 4th option that was not part of the poll.
If you look in the comments, most of us championed "they should do both Windows and Android instead of one or the other".
One or the other is a silly maneuver for uneducated armchair quarterbacks. Diversify and conquer.
42. wendygarett (unregistered)
Oh remixfa... If only you have enough money to fund Nokia to adopt both during Nokia recession period :)
on the serious sides, due to the scarcity of the resources, such as cash, Nokia has no choice but to adopt only one and not both :)
79. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
on the super serious side,
The license fees to Google are MUCH cheaper than the license fees to Microsoft. Also, that would make no sense even if that wasnt true. $25 license fee, they produce 1 handset, make half of them android and half of them WP7/8. They make 20-40% profit margins on high end android sales which will help feed their lower margin WP7/8 handsets.
ITS THE SAME TECHNOLOGY WITH DIFFERENT SOFTWARE.
Wendy, stick to being a fake girl with hot profile pics of asian models.. leave the thinking up to the geeks. :)
48. jedpatrickdatu (Posts: 167; Member since: 24 Jan 2013)
Please no Android, I like today's Nokia as it is. Sure, Android is more popular and could save Nokia faster than Windows Phone can, but Nokia doesn't just want to get money and survive; they also want to differentiate themselves and be a unique third option in the cell phone market instead of being just another droid manufacturer. It's risky, but they went with it, which I strongly admire them for.
56. -RVM- (Posts: 331; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
The best OS would be Maemo, if Nokia decided back in 2010 to stick with it. Nowadays, i would like to see Nokia's with Sailfish OS and Android app compatibility.
57. nvrhde (Posts: 77; Member since: 10 Nov 2012)
Android, ios, WP, they are just Mobile Os right?
60. CorianU (Posts: 27; Member since: 22 Jan 2013)
That'd be awkward with android on a Nokia. I wouldn't buy it
63. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
As majority has said already, make both.
64. gwhyte01 (Posts: 44; Member since: 09 Jul 2008)
I don't get what ppl don't see about the android market. Htc, Samsung, lg, sony, moto, zte, acer, ausus, Toshiba, viewsonic, sony ericsson, dell, hauwei, sanyo, Lenovo, nec, casio, pantech, archos, kindle, nook, etc....Look at all the android device makers out there. theres only ONE.......COUNT IT ONE......DEVICE MANUFACTURER out there that's profiting from android....ONE. Dell tried and gave up....there are too many android manufacturers, too many devices..some that doesn't even need to exist period.. I don't hate on android but the fact that a company like htc went yeeaarrs on wm and racked on some serious cash, switch to android and for 2 years they made money and then tanked....tanked!. Then a renewal in faith and commitment to the windows phone platform, htc's 8x and 8s actually made them a profit....Money. Sure they sold android devices, but they didn't make a profit from them... they did from windows phone 8....So all of android wishers out there....NO. NOKIA SHOULD NOT RUIN THIER COMPANY WITH ANDROID. The 920, 820, and so fourth are unique in their own special way...and that's just perfect.
77. jroc74 (Posts: 6004; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Only difference between that and WP market is less phones. WP has Nokia, Samsung, HTC, LG if they do any WP 8 phones, Huawei, Acer, Dell and a few others. I know Dell cant be making any money with WP.
What happens if one day one of the others....lets say Samsung....start getting all the WP profits? Nokia would still be in the same boat. Like Samsung making all the profits with Android...Nokia is doing that with WP. So in that sense I agree....they dont need to do Android.....they are doing with WP what Samsung is doing with Android.
So the real question is...and next article should be...when is Samsung, HTC, Acer and the others gonna stop making WP devices?
HTC tanked not just because of Samsung....but because of HTC. Questionable hardware, user experience. Even if Samsung had hardware and software issues...they were usually decent in the battery dept. Sense UI and the small batterries HTC used hurt them in the battery dept. Especially compared to Motorola and Samsung.
Samsung didnt start where they are today....they started behind HTC and Motorola. Samsung was the only one between them 3 to really cover all the bases as best as possible. They had a dedicated phone line on all 4 carriers in the US...Galaxy S. HTC just started doing the One line and I think Moto is about to do that too. Samsung also has the most phones across all the major US carriers: high, mid range and low end. Moto is mostly high end now. Maybe mid range. HTC has lots of phones too...Samsung isnt making all the profits just because their name is Samsung...they worked hard to get to this point.
If Nokia is as great as some of yall say.....they would and should give Samsung a run for their money in Android land. But at this point in time....they dont need to do an Android phone.
83. jroc74 (Posts: 6004; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
HTC also was using older chips when Moto and Samsung were on to chips with a smaller nm number. The nm number gets smaller and it helps with battery life.
In mid 2010 Moto and Samsung started using 45nm chips...HTC was using 65nm. They didnt go to 45nm until almost the end of the year, and into the next year. That combined with smaller batteries, Sense UI doing so much background stuff = battery life nightmare.
89. kujee (Posts: 11; Member since: 03 May 2011)
think again even the profit from Nokia's wp is not totaly nokia's microsoft has a share... look how degrading nokia became after the merge......it feels like they are sucking nokia's blood. on Fact's level. everyone knows that apps are easier to make for linux , android, even IOS more than WP and if not easier.... then Cheaper. Maaaaan even the MS UI forces nokia on a specific designes and will reduce creativity and unique aspects known by nokia
67. Loubielou (Posts: 507; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
Ever Since Mr Elop moved in at Nokia an he knew is Old Employees were Struggling to keep up with Apple in the Mobile an Computer Markets,He as Since made no Thought of what Consumers what from Smartphones,Zune is Wrong an having no Micro Sd Card slots on Phones is Wrong,Bluetooth was so Simple to use on Symbian phones but not on Windows,Symbian phones were so easy to Customize but Windows are Just Horrible to Look at with Tiles,Android is more like Symbian,an thats Why alot of people have left Nokia for Android phones,Even Meego should have been Advanced by Nokia,an the N9 was alot wasted money by Nokia as they would not let it be sold Globally because Mr Elop was scared of it being more popular than Windows
70. Nataku (Posts: 3; Member since: 29 Jan 2013)
Nokia won't be ready to jump ship for until maybe another 2yrs. Right now,their company still isn't stable enough to compete head-on with samsung, motorola, HTC, or Sony. At least when they partner with window, Window will help them in promoting Window Phones. If they jump ship, they'll be all on their own and evidently will get crushed by these big companies. Nokia is still in shaky grounds right now. So probably won't be a good idea.
Although, if I am the CEO of Nokia, I will look into merging or buying out Blackberry because it seems like Blackberry is aiming to take part in Nokia's market share. If they take over blackberry, Nokia will become a much more powerful company to compete with Samsung, HTC, and the rest.
88. kujee (Posts: 11; Member since: 03 May 2011)
did you notice that rim is adopting N9 UI in bb10
92. Nataku (Posts: 3; Member since: 29 Jan 2013)
yea i did saw the similarities. that's why suggesting to buy out bb would be a better deal for nokia instead of having a law suit with each other like samsung and apple.
73. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
WP8 has only been around for just a few months, and it's already the fastest growing mobile OS on the planet. Give it a few years, and then we'll see if Nokia made a mistake by not adopting Android. I personally think WP is already the third ecosystem, and will entrench itself by stealing market share from iOs and Android. We'll see...
78. jroc74 (Posts: 6004; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
I wouldnt count RIM out just yet. BB10 looks real nice. Already there are iPhone users I know thinking about going back to their first love....RIM.
87. kujee (Posts: 11; Member since: 03 May 2011)
well ..... my comment is a mail sent to Nokia's board of directors,
Dear respectable members of the board,
I would like to share my opinions and beliefs with you as a loyal customer, caring user worried investor and a fan to your products and services. Considering my average knowledge of the marketing, distribution, computer engineering as well as experience as an end user for smart phones market, I just feel being obligated to inform you that there is a fatal wrong decision that by time will decrease the value of your success in the industry. Just to associate my viewpoints with proofs and statistics allow me to explain further; my concerns are to be structured through out the letter and each point I will claim will be followed by either an example, proof or an undeniable fact. Lately, it has been obvious to the regular end user that the company is facing financial difficulties due to the drop of its profits, market share and simply it's sold devices. The selling of the Nokia building in Finland, the price drop in handsets, the focus on the low end devices. Switching to windows mobile platform – in my humble point of view- is not a very wise decision especially depending totally on that platform for all hi and med-range products lines. It is a mere known fact that Microsoft offer a very poor support for developers requiring high coasts for licensing provide a very poor marketplace for the Windows Phone ecosystem. Even if the developers will gain faith somehow or even if Microsoft - doubtfully- would change its policy regarding developers and financial approach to the software development. The shift between the current approach and the new perspective will take a lot of effort, time coasts and damage therefor, side effects will coast Nokia corporation a lot . Competition between open source markets and total closed source market is already fierce; competitors like Apple are facing hard times competing with the shift in the industry. On platform level, it is logical to consider free applications download from a market place rather than paid ones in the economic stressful current conditions. Even if we would say that there is a possibility of a success story for both Microsoft and Nokia, how much pure benefit will Nokia alone gain from that merge. On the other hand, Nokia does already have it's faithful base of loyal QT developers base and it's almost a pure successful platforms namely Maemo and Meego. For an instance; compared to Bada OS, community responses, customer's experience, developers loyalty even regular users are more interested in Both Nokia N900 N9and Nokai N950 despite the poor commercial support for these handsets, latterly developers struggle to make something with Linux based QT Friendly devices because it is a fact that development with these tools and environments is much easier, more productive and UI friendly .... the rest is on my face book page
90. sskee (Posts: 2; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
Nokia is consider only mobile hardware maker now, why restricted to only one OS, be more like samsung, HTC... make both WP and Android phones...
91. kujee (Posts: 11; Member since: 03 May 2011)
the whole mail sent to Nokia on my New Face book acount
101. kujee (Posts: 11; Member since: 03 May 2011)
it is wrong to go android but it is also wrong to stick only to windows phone ( SUPPORT YOUR OWN DEVELOPERS NOKIA MAEMO AND MEEGO WERE UNIQUE )
102. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1536; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
Folks it has been a useless aspiration up to this point to think Nokia would go Android but now that they have made some profit they may well be able to afford to make an android variation of the Nokia Lumia 920 before they retire that case design. Nokia is rumored to be making a Verizon "Laser" 920 variation smart phone. I do not see it a hard thing for Android to be put on a Nokia Lumia 920. I am Nokia Windows smart Phone fan but have
have always felt that Nokia should make a good Android smart phone when they could afford to spend the money to money to make one. Nokia has feli in the past that Android
was not a good bet because everybody and their brother is making them and Nokia would not standout enough to make money selling them. Now that they are making a profit Nokia
might be able to afford to port Android Jellybean to the Nokia lumia 920 and kill the Android competition and make a few more bucks in profit
106. Nataku (Posts: 3; Member since: 29 Jan 2013)
I don't think you understand how business work. the Lumia 920 is already considered an out dated mobile phone. by the time they're done with the contract for android, the iphone 6 or 7 would've been out already.
in the short-run, they might be able to make a few quick buck but in the long-run, they're looking at a major lost. Nokia just recently re-established their place in the mobile industry. Before WP Nokia was lost and can't find their niche because of iphones and androids. Nokia nearly bankrupt itself trying to create the perfect OS to compete with Apple and Google. While at the same time try to create the ideal hardware product for their customers.
What Nokia fail to understand is that Apple and Google have deep pockets.. And I do mean A LOT of money and they can easily afford to compete with Nokia. Not the other way around.
Now in present day. After coming back from the dead, Nokia has two major supporters that can help them fight the good fight and stands out in the market. WINDOWS and PANASONIC. Windows will focus on the OS to compete with Android and Panasonic will focus behind the scene on the Cameras and Lens (Which are quite expansive) that can compete with all other phones out there especially Sony and Samsung. Nokia will focus solely on the designs, other hardwares, and concepts of the phone (chips, screen, etc). This is a great team and their annual report shows that they are a great team together.
NOw, lets say if Nokia did adapt some phones to be android os. This will break the trust between WP and at the same time Panasonic will be push into the public to compete against two giants which is Sony and Samsung.
If Panasonic is pushed in public to compete with these two giants, Panasonic will end up like Nokia when it tries to compete with Apple and Google. No good will come out of it and it could even put Panasonic in near of bankruptcy.
You have to understand Panasonic and WP are Nokia's saviors... Like Nokia's left and right arms. If any of them gave up on Nokia then Nokia will end up back in square one dragging the other arm down along with them.
The only competition that Nokia can truly compete with is BB, RIM. If you read my post from above. I explained a little. But if WP adapted some of BB10 UI, Nokia will be one fearsome competitor to the rest of the companies in the mobile industry.
107. Cryptic (Posts: 5; Member since: 30 Jan 2013)
I think the results don't convey the real opinion of the people. I don't think that Nokia should add Android just yet. The issue is that MS needs to complete WP8 quickly so that they can compete with iOS and Android. Because we the customers need more than 2 or 3 os, so WP needs to succeed. But on another note Nokia could become more like Nokia if they were using Android which is what we really want. The real question is will MS allow Nokia to improve on their os. If they will, then WP may be all Nokia needs.
108. hepresearch (unregistered)
This entire debate is irrelevant if Nokia does not have the capital sitting around to pull off yet another switch and wait out all of the long-term nastiness that goes along with a big transition like that, no matter what they are going to next.
Nokia survived the Symbian/MeeGo to Windows Phone transition by the skin of their teeth, even with Microsoft's help and the support of carriers, and nearly lost everything at a couple of different points where they hung on to that cliff of survival by the end of the noses of every member of the board (but especially Pinochio's... errr, I mean Elop's). If Nokia could have switched to Android straight from Symbian, that would have been far better for them, but I wouldn't have them try to re-do that switch now, after the fact, when they are now so weakened that I doubt they would survive another foolish attempt at a transition this late in the game.
118. jameshoe (unregistered)
I, #Lumia Switcher, Windows Phone OS is really did somethings good for me, but I would like more to be interesting in ANDROID because some apps & games is only available in there T.T