The users: Nokia will be better off with Android
0. phoneArena 29 Jan 2013, 04:52 posted on
Last week was a great one for Nokia as the company announced that it's become profitable again, at least for the period of Q4 2012. Naturally, this makes us think that the company has a chance of stabilizing with Windows Phone as its main mobile operating system. However, even after the good news, most users seem to have remained firmly convinced that the Finns will be better off if they switch to Android, like... right now...
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1. MONUQ (Posts: 31; Member since: 26 Jan 2013)
They r doing great with with WP , may be at this time they want to concentrate on WP only....
This is good choice.....
They r also making good budget phones.....so stick on this...
Why not , in future there will be green robot on Nokia phones..
6. RaKithAPeiRiZ (Posts: 1385; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)
elop wont be the ceo forever , a new guy might change make that happen
49. ScottSchneider (Posts: 323; Member since: 06 Dec 2011)
I heard from a reliable source that the first meeting is actually over for Nokia to jump on to Android. This happened probably two weeks ago... Might take another year for the process to actually move... hoping for the best.
7. flower99 (banned) (Posts: 54; Member since: 18 Nov 2012)
since elop is pro ms, let the ceo utilise his ms experience to nokia. That way nokia can turn to profit stage and earn some extra cash, store more and more cash in two years time, then nokia can afford to release the monster spec on android :)
12. Wiki_jaan (Posts: 703; Member since: 24 Jun 2012)
they r doing great with WP
but they can rock with android.......
16. wendygarett (unregistered)
Everyone rock Motorola on android too, why's moto still on loss stage?
17. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
They're NOT doing great with WP.
Nokia 5230, a touch screen symbian phone, sold tens of millions units.
5580 xm, more than 20 million.
Nokia N8, almost ten million!
For the last quarter, Nokia sold a pathetic 4.4 million WP phones.
Do the math, can you?
28. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
Derrrrr 4.4 x 4 = 17.6M...not far from the 20 million 5230s you speak of and that assumes static sales, where we know that Nokia Lumia sales are growing all the time as Nokia release to new markets and carriers.
I'm not sure if you are a bit DIM or just 5 years old....but why don't you do the math(s)!!
54. -RVM- (Posts: 329; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Well, you're comparing here one Symbian model with all available WP models. In 2010, for example, Nokia sold 100 millions of Symbian smartphones.
65. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Holly s**t, you got 7 thumbs up for that?!?!
My God.. windows phone fans are clearly utter retards..
Actually kid, the Wikipedia states 5230 sold over 100 million units alone..as for symbian, it sold HUNDREDS of millions in total.
And now I'm outta here because if I see another reply im afraid my brain will get hurt.
75. SleepingOz (unregistered)
Definitely! Arguing with them is like playing chess with pigeons.. Even if they know they're wrong they'll act as if they got it right or will flee by deviating from the topic.
94. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
Who's deviating from the topic...and what does that quote mean...are you Eric Cantona?
100. kujee (Posts: 11; Member since: 03 May 2011)
it is the programing used in both and sympian maemo and mego oss
93. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
Over what period, and in which countries and with which carriers?
If Symbian is so good why were Nokia in the sh*t they were in? They clearly didn't have confidence in the platform when compared to the new platforms of the day. Perhaps they did sell 100 million units, but that is when they had very little competition. You're not making a fair comparison.
68. totally_rad (Posts: 12; Member since: 29 Jan 2013)
where does that x4 come from? and when there are phones out there that sell 40kk even your 17.6 suck.
and how much do you expect these numbers to rise? in two months we'll get new flagships from samsung, htc, lg and moto and the lumis 920 still hasn't been released in many countries.... also wp sucks
95. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
Totally Rad....that says it all. Did you jump off your skateboard to make that comment Dude?
X4...hhhmmmm...the clue is in the word Quarterly
Lumia 920 is gradually being launched across the globe and new carriers are just about to launch in the UK. I'm afraid that you have missed the point completely...why would Nokia want to launch an Android Lumia 920 and try to compete with all of these new phones you are talking about?
Nobody can compete with Samsung at the moment. Why be a small fish in a big pond when you can be the big fish in a small pond? In doing this, Nokia's phones get more press coverage and better press coverage. I think Nokia are very clever
99. totally_rad (Posts: 12; Member since: 29 Jan 2013)
>>Lumia 920 is gradually being launched across the globe and new carriers are just about to launch in the UK.
IT'S 2013!!!!! we're two weeks away from WMC! lumia 920 will look like a piece of wood in a month! and it costs OVER 500€ unlocked without a contract! also when you'll be able to apply a wallpaper, then maybe ppl will take wp seriously.
111. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
Really...is that the big selling point of Android a bloody wallpaper! Get over yourself! Personally speaking I like a phone which doesn't lag every 10 minutes and remains fluid and stable. Come WMC the Lumia 920 will still have unique features over and above the highest end Android phone...low light photography and super sensitive display to name just two. Oh and it's just about invincible compared to any other phone
85. kujee (Posts: 11; Member since: 03 May 2011)
at least th old nokia was not on sale with buy one get one offer .... Tell me if you are so much of a geek which is better, More apps or less apps free apps or paid apps, customizable interface or fixed interface, OS that allow variation of hardware or hardware fixed OS Open source or Closed source developers should get supported and get paid or pay for licenses..... I think that you are the one who needs to do the math
103. mobilefuture (Posts: 206; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)
Darac, how can you even put up that comparison? 5230? Seriously? Dude that was when Nokia still had recognition. It was before Android brought it too its knees. That time is over. I get it android on Nokia would kill Samsung and the other OEMs but it's still putting up a competition without it. Even if it's a small fight it still is. If the OSs can't be compared cuz they're completely different then look at the specs. Or features. I mean best low light and OIS is pretty darn tempting. The thing is android would be awesome but WP8 ain't bad either. I'm a Nokia fanboy but I'm realistic. I bought an HTC explorer whe I could've gotten a lumia 510 or 610. I even recommend android to others. So you're not some big pro and neither am I going but at least we can think realistically. :)
35. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
I agree with you. I think the WP8 platform is perfect for Nokia. They are the top handset with loads of innovative features and great specs. The build quality is always there with Nokia and they are getting some great press for the Lumia 920. I think they will release a new slicker high end WP8 phone this year and they may not be able to resist the demand for them to make an Android device. Nokia are the pioneers of quality handsets. Forget Apple, they can't hold a light for Nokia for consistent quality. Nokia took their eye off the ball and they have paid a heavy price, but they are back in the game with the Lumia 920 and the only way is up for them now.
43. tuminatr (Posts: 693; Member since: 23 Feb 2009)
make both, Android phones are hot right now
82. Phullofphil (Posts: 801; Member since: 10 Feb 2009)
The best way to succede and what they need to do is release phones gor both windowd and android but they need to start playing the hardware game and. Put the best specs inside there quility materials that they always use along with the awesome cameras that are in them. Thats how the mobile phone market going to be from here on out. They should basicaly take all the best hardware and make aphone that has the best specs and rekease that phone on both android and windows phone that. Nobody has done that yet. Why nobody has is a surprise
2. zazori08 (Posts: 113; Member since: 21 Dec 2011)
well. i would like nokia to alternate flagshipd like wp in h1 and android in h2 and so on.
3. _Bone_ (Posts: 2140; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
Ouch. Where are that Nokia fanb... ah forget it, I think it's good for the Finns to back Win8 as long as strong competition forces Google and Apple to keep improving their OS.
The one device I'd love to have though is an Android with the 808 lens. Oppo licensed Sony's Exmor RS, why not go one bigger and do a cameraphone?
Don't forget to leave your like (reasonable readers) or dislike (Nokia fanboys) vote.
80. Phullofphil (Posts: 801; Member since: 10 Feb 2009)
I am a reasonable reader and dont realy care for windows phone yet I had a htc 8x and returned it. But I hate when people asume somthing about sombody just because how they vote
4. flower99 (banned) (Posts: 54; Member since: 18 Nov 2012)
seriously? WebOS? Such a troll that 4.89%
5. Ray.S (Posts: 263; Member since: 19 Jul 2011)
Hey, WebOS is a great OS! Or at least it was...
9. flower99 (banned) (Posts: 54; Member since: 18 Nov 2012)
i didnt say its bad, it just that web os is now at zonbie stage lol
8. pankajgupta (Posts: 59; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)
Android is already saturated and no new player can make a mark unless they price it way below other competitors for the same specs.
Nokia has done good with WP.
86. kujee (Posts: 11; Member since: 03 May 2011)
if windows Phone is better why they sell less ....in fact nokia is now -with Microsoft no more no. 1 seller....the right move was to use maemo and meego platforms and back it up...
105. pankajgupta (Posts: 59; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)
they sell less because of less awareness among people and also being a late entrant.
Moreover now-a-days people go for hardware specs more than software experience. Windows 8 runs more smooth on phones with same specs than Android. But people see specs coz of the marketing efforts.
People go for android coz android is windows of 2000s. (mass available). Even i prefer Android coz of customizability but agree to the fact that WP8 is very smooth.
It will take time for Nokia or in particular WP to taste major success.
As for Maemo or Meego, Nokia wouldnot have got much push and money to support the platform.
Even Android was bought by Google.
Hope my point is clear :)
11. SuperNexus (Posts: 121; Member since: 18 Jan 2013)
Well we know that from the beginning, Nokia will be more successful if they manufacture Android phone.
I think even an idiot can make this decision then why not Elop.
13. wendygarett (unregistered)
There is a reason why investors vote elop as president, why don't you ask Nokia investor?
also, turning Nokia into profit within 6 quarter is considered perfect, meanwhile Motorola is still on loss stage... Who's the faster now?
23. RobotMan (Posts: 135; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Nokia did not make money because of selling WP only. A lot of it come from cost cutting such as selling the HQ building, manufacturing plants,R&d team . Only small parts of the profit come from WP.
25. wendygarett (unregistered)
I personally think it's a great start, it maybe cruel but still, trim away the fats and the company small enough to operate tho....
29. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
No Nokia did not make much money because it lost ground to Apple and now Samsung. Nokia were the top dogs years ago so their infrastructure and costs would have been huge. It's taken a long time to get their strategic direction and re-scale the company but they are on the right track. WP8 is the perfect platform for Nokia to show what they have to offer in terms of innovation and quality and it may well be that the demand for them to produce their devices for Android may be so strong that they will find it hard to exist.
76. jiezel91 (Posts: 66; Member since: 28 Jul 2011)
Actually, what I saw in their Q4 financial report was that, their Nokia-Siemens Network division is the one doing great.
But still, I share the same opinion as you that Nokia will not be THAT successful with Android. I mean, they could be, but only of moderate success.
We all know that the competition on Android is all about monster specs (Quad Core CPU's, more GB's of RAM, higher battery capacity mostly because Android is not hardware optimised) and Nokia is not known to offer monstrous specs on their phones. They focus on being unique and different from the crowd (camera innovations, unique and original chassis design, and many more), and with that, I don't think they can compete effectively on Android. Just my two cents
84. SuperNexus (Posts: 121; Member since: 18 Jan 2013)
Tell me the reason why Nokia down from top spot?
Reason is quite simple because of Android.
Android hold 70% share and WP hold nearly 5% market share, so now tell me where Nokia can earn more profit WP or Android.
Now don't brag that many other company who are using android are not making profit. Nokia normally perform better than other company when competition is on same platform.
96. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
They will clearly make more profit on WP. Android is saturated with phones and the specs seem to grow almost weekly.
Higher specs = higher production costs.
Saturated market = lower selling price.
Chinese maufacturers = lower market price.
Lower specs on WP = lower costs
Less competition = higher price
High cost and lower selling price vs lower cost and higher selling price....hhhmmmm???
104. SuperNexus (Posts: 121; Member since: 18 Jan 2013)
you forget to consider the market share and WP growth which is still low for a new OS.
If you consider market share, then suppose their are 100 smartphone sold
70 of them are Android
5 of them are WP
Now tell me where you can earn profit ?
Although WP has low cost but doesn't have market.
112. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
Yes but those 70 are spread across numerous devices and are dominated by Samsung. How many of those 70 would Nokia get? It's a big risk for them because if they switched to Android and still only got 5% of the market then they would be losing money based on staying on the more profitable WP8 platform. Don't you think that if it was that much of a no brainer and so easy to make huge profits, they would have switched to Android already. Nokia were in trouble. They would have analysed the mobile phone market in minute detail and completed exhaustive cost / profit comparisons. They didn't just sit there and say...ah to hell with it, let's go WP8!!
114. SuperNexus (Posts: 121; Member since: 18 Jan 2013)
You don't understand what I have said. Nokia perform better if competition is on same platform. Remember Symbian , Nokia have largest market share and Now in WP too. But if they start manufacturing Android phone then they never got situation like now( I mean still number 1 manufacturer). If in past they choose Android, they still be number 1.
But if they can do it now to it still be profitable because Nokia is trusted brand. It is not like that in one or 2 year Android is going down, it will take many year and same WP market is not going up any time soon it will take years, i think now Nokia can start producing both platform phone.Instead sticking with WP only. Only this strategy can back Nokia to track.
115. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
I think I understand what you are saying. I can see your point that had they have chosen Android at the beginning then yes they could have built a strong market position, but now that won't be possible. I don't agree that they can make more profit on Android now than they can WP8. On that point I think you are wrong, because if they could, they would.
117. SuperNexus (Posts: 121; Member since: 18 Jan 2013)
Stephon Elop(CEO Nokia) is ex-Microsoft employee and Microsoft employee and Google employee hate each other. He has still good relationship with Microsoft.
The only reason Nokia is not making Android phone is because of their CEO.
I am sure if Nokia start producing Android phone it will be successful.
I hope Nokia will produce other platform phone too like Jolla, Tizen.etc in coming year.
Because if Nokia only stick with WP it will be not good for their business.
66. threed61 (Posts: 134; Member since: 27 May 2011)
If Nokia had switched to Android instead of WP, they would be in the same situation. Their problem wasn't the OS so much as the corporate process. Every new product had to gain approval from literally dozens of managers, committees, etc. By the time a phone made it through this circus, it was already obsolete. Getting rid of the decision making bloat was Nokia's most important cost cutting measure.
14. Darkrai (Posts: 7; Member since: 16 Jan 2013)
Nokia Should Continue With Windows Phone 8 And Never Adopt Android As Its getting Common and Common.We Should Get More Variety Of OS's Because Something Which Goes Up must Come Down.
15. KangLee (Posts: 12; Member since: 05 Sep 2012)
I think they made only but perfect choice for them. I don't think Android will work them. Lumia body with Android SO experience? That looks weird. From my personal experience with Samsung Galaxy S2 and Nokia Lumia 900, WP is 200% better OS than Android. Android is way too laggy and buggy. They are even catching up on the number of App available on WP. Alot major Apps are available on WP.
69. totally_rad (Posts: 12; Member since: 29 Jan 2013)
lumia 900? you're saying that a wp7, an OS that doesn't even have orientation lock is better than android 4? are you retarded? catching up? 600k vs 100k apps? yeah... sure!
a less than a month old flagship android with double the features of the lumia 920, costs the same!
catching up? SURE!!!!!
116. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
600K apps, 599k of which are total crap.....yeah right!! Quality not quantity for me pal. How many apps can you actually load to your phone anyway?
18. fanboy1974 (Posts: 1292; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)
Let them die if they don't make the switch to Android. The company is too stubborn to know where the money is.
55. -RVM- (Posts: 329; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
I'm not proponent of Android, but i'm pretty sure Nokia would do better with it. Nokia is not HTC or LG, who have troubles fighting with Samsung. Nokia is technologically more advanced than Samsung (they have basicly everything Samsung has + camera and audio technologies, free offline turn by turn navigation etc), so they would get more and more of the pie.
19. someones4 (Posts: 619; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)
DEMOCRACY!! Nokia needs more than Windows OS which is trying to mimic Android anyway... I tried Windows and it's way too boring. Great for serious business people, not so much for the everyday user
22. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4109; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
How in the world is WP trying to mimic Android?
31. LumiaLover (Posts: 160; Member since: 27 Sep 2012)
You couldn't get two more diverse operating systems...WP8 is for adults...Android is for children like you
52. Reluctant_Human (Posts: 867; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
Please explain how WP8 is for adults? If anything WP is such a simple OS that its for children and seniors.