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The power of the 1% over mobile devices (expandable memory and removable batteries)

0. phoneArena 31 Mar 2012, 13:35 posted on

If there is anything that we try to do consistently, it is to point out that personal opinion does not equal one side of a right/wrong argument. There is a growing trend of manufacturers not including SD card slots or...

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posted on 31 Mar 2012, 23:17 2

65. phoenixpr (Posts: 167; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)


Well put and written, watch out there a great deal of fools here that will say your crazy, when you hit it right on the nail with this one, Amen!!! I've been blogging about this for such a long time. Everyone think I am nuts. But what you have to say is soooo true.

posted on 31 Mar 2012, 21:32 2

56. redmd (Posts: 1284; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)


So no HTC one x for me. SGS3 I'll wait for you, otherwise it's optimus 4X for me with the removable battery + micro sd combo.

posted on 31 Mar 2012, 23:17 1

66. phoenixpr (Posts: 167; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)


I agree, 100%

posted on 31 Mar 2012, 22:09 3

58. mrandrewshah (Posts: 14; Member since: 01 Nov 2009)


We are the 1%!

I still vote for removable batteries over a slightly larger capacity for one reason. When your battery doesn't hold its charge anymore, what do you do? With a removable battery, you just buy a new one and you're good. Apple offers battery replacement, but for a hefty $79 + $7 shipping. Do you think HTC will offer a battery replacement service for its One series?

posted on 31 Mar 2012, 23:21 1

67. phoenixpr (Posts: 167; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)


Dude, well written, I am getting so much flack for blogging about this, You are 100% right on the money. Pray this isn't a trend, However the 99% of the fools that buys anything, like a zombie dum asssss! I really don't see way the 99% or even 60% see this, they must be , dead, or dum.

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 03:57 2

85. remixfa (Posts: 14329; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


great point. I got a replacement battery for my SGS1 for $15 bux online and it was a stock OEM battery, not some generic rip off.

When you go non-removable anything, you become at the mercy of the manufacturer. I'd give up removable storage (for a phone with very large internal storage) before i gave up removable battery.

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 07:47

90. jan25 (Posts: 470; Member since: 26 Feb 2012)


honest question; can't any phone maintenance person just do the job instead for a far more reasonable price than that of the manufacturer?

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 15:59

100. remixfa (Posts: 14329; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


yes/no. it may be cheaper up front, but they automatically void the warranty since its not an OEM trained person doing the work. So you have no warranty if they bust anything. If you take it to the manufacturer, they will fix whatever they break under warranty. A lot of time the new repairs will have their own warranty as well.. so its up to you what you want more.

posted on 31 Mar 2012, 23:35 2

71. spindoctor55 (Posts: 18; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


Extra batteries...50-100 bucks...Ever hear of Ebay!!! SD cards are the easiest way to place files (pics and tunes) on a device...I will not buy a phone which doesn't have both!!!

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 00:08

73. BattleBrat (Posts: 1476; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)


The problem i have with the cloud is that they want you to stream all your music and movies, then the carriers killed unlimited data, that is a racket if I've ever seen one, and It's not that i don't trust the cloud,it's that I don't trust their cloud. So i am prepping a Dell precision 490 workstation and will be using it as my own little cloud (as soon as they hook up my Uverse internet and my speed doubles) With WYSE Pocket Cloud Pro and Plex (an audio/video server app) available on my iTouch and my RAZR, hopefully i can have the power of a nicely powered desktop on the go. If it goes well, i will get my hands on a true to God blade and rent a couple units in a farm, we'll see. as for a removable battery, i always have an ipod touch and my RAZR on me, now let's say they both had removable batteries, it would be easier to carry and charge a single battery pack than two spare batteries.

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 00:20

74. BattleBrat (Posts: 1476; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)


As for phone longevity, current battery tech should last you AT LEAST two years, and TRUST ME after two years YOU WILL WANT A NEW PHONE, and non removable batteries are not a killer as long as the device provides adequate run time on the internal battery. My RAZR (NOT a MAXX) lasts 2 to 3 days per charge, so I have no problem with a non removable battery,the iPhone 4s i played with wouldn't do 10 hours JUST SITTING THERE unused (and that was with iOS 5.1, face it, the battery sucks, if it didn't i'd be using an iPhone and carrying an Android media player right now) So for the iPhone, as far as my needs were concerned, it's non removable battery was unacceptable.

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 00:32

75. redrooster13 (Posts: 110; Member since: 20 Feb 2012)


Wow the razr last you 2 to 3 days on one charge? Thats crazy. I don't own a razr but from what I've heard, the razr doesn't last very long.

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 00:53

76. BattleBrat (Posts: 1476; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)


http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr325/BattleBrat/DSC05056.jpg
Three days.
Hmmm thumbs down, I must have pissed off an iOS fanboy, I use an iTouch, and like it, but the battery on the 4s sucks, fanboys have to face it.
Edit, damn, links aren't working, just look through my album on Photobucket, i think it is the first pic you'll see.I've posted it here before

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 21:55

111. redrooster13 (Posts: 110; Member since: 20 Feb 2012)


Yeah the link is not working. I believe you though.

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 02:21 3

81. cvdvds (Posts: 6; Member since: 25 Mar 2012)


I don't use the cloud because my upload speed is slow and I think having a removable battery is a must because a battery is one of the things in a phone that easily breaks after time and if you don't watch out how and when you charge it. And I don't feel like thinking all the time: "If I charge it now my battery might get damaged but if I don't I can't use it as much tomorrow."

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 02:50 4

82. VncentAaron116 (Posts: 5; Member since: 23 Jan 2012)


What is the risk of storing music in the cloud? Mainly, $$ and ease of use.
Here in certain areas of Asia and other less developed countries, the internet is slow enough that listening to music online needs BUFFERING
I want to listen to music play smoothly, not listen to one buffering from my cloud storage.
We simply do not have the proper infrastructure for cloud storage to be viable yet, that means internal storage is still very important, unless the manufacturers and Google and Apple and what not manage to bribe the government (in my country, at least) to upgrade the internet infrastructure, without ripping us off at the same time

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 03:13

83. rawbow (Posts: 428; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)


There could be a justification too for not having a micro SD slot...i mean with all the high def features and simultaneous shot and shoot feature of the 1x, it could be a possibility that the designers thought that an external card would slow the processors down. I dont know. But it should have a replaceable battery. Anyways i will be getting the 1x no matter what. HTC sense 4.0 was impressive.

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 08:36 1

93. jabberwocky (Posts: 89; Member since: 21 Feb 2012)


Interesting idea! I think it would be possible to solve this through software engineering (if it was an issue) by storing a photo on the local hardware first and then swapping it over to SD when necessary. Since manufacturers clearly value camera speed as a feature, I doubt they would allow the SD to stand in their way of taking fast photos, and you'd only need a few hundred megs of local storage to guarantee the experience.

That said, it actually makes me wonder what characteristics are on the NAND they install in the phone. We have stats on almost everything else, I would really love to know if some company is skimping and putting really slow built-in storage to save a few bucks!!! Hey phonearena, get on that!

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 20:45 1

108. rawbow (Posts: 428; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)


exactly ...i was always interested in the read write speed of the internal memory used by the companies...and now it becomes more necessary that we focus on that too because of all the lightning speed computing. There is absolutely no point of having a processor that can score good and a RAM that works well with it if you have bad read write on the internal memory. The RAM will stay occupied both ways.
That said, if studies indicate that overall performance(includes battery life too) of the phone improves by not having a microSD, all good for me.

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 05:10 1

86. little75bacon (Posts: 2; Member since: 01 Apr 2012)


Maybe the cloud is the future, but I think that we need a huge amount of internal storage to put in all our Full H.D. Videos, photos with a big weight an others contents such H.D games that needs a huge amount of data. I can live without S.D cards if my handset is provided with a decent internal storage of at least 64GB and the price of hig speed data plans are reasonable.

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 07:43

89. khang (Posts: 1; Member since: 01 Apr 2012)


Just made an account just to say how well written and how immaculate this was executed! Amazing article and I have to say its making me look at non-removeable batteries and no expandable battery in a different light! Very well written article!

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 08:08 2

91. jan25 (Posts: 470; Member since: 26 Feb 2012)


i think the success of a phone like the galaxy s2 might set the standards. i don't think the people who are used to removable batteries and sd cards will give up easily on those 2 features when they realize how crucial they are. lets face it too, the "1%" support phone manufacturers with a great amount of marketing for their products and if they are not satisfied enough, well, this can mean bad news.

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 10:51 1

96. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


i need removable storage,will not get a phone without it unless the phone is a must have device.reason being is i have all my mjuisc,videos and photos etc on a single micro sd card so that everytime i get a phone all i need to do is put in the sd card and my new is ready to go

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 10:53

97. Dejan (Posts: 17; Member since: 24 Mar 2012)


They are soooo right tottaly agree with you guys!I hate phones with non removable batteries,I have Sony Xperia S pretty good phone,no suport for microSD cardsi and doesn't really matter to me since phone have 32GB internal storage l,for me that's enoug.What I really hate is battery and the reason is that is not removable!I hate it when the phone lags and then I have to remove my battery to restart it but there is more than 8 screws before I get to the battery which I need to screw offf!So think about it if you go somewhere out of your appertment and the phone suddenly blocks and you can't remove your battery.I mean I can't complain on the phone itself but I can complain on his battery HATE IT!!!!

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 15:56 1

99. paladinkar (unregistered)


Some people have said this and I totally agree..the point is not just that features are necessary or not necessary..it is that they represent the freedom for the consumer. I personally don't want an iPhone because of the whole walled garden "we will make decisions for you" attitude. I want the option to use my own storage and to change the card when and how I want. The other thing that I haven't seen mentioned is this about batteries: I love Android and I love tinkering with ROMs. If this is going to continue to be a reality, sometimes you need to do a hard reset..and yes this is possible by using hardware buttons, but the easiest way is to just yank the battery. This is why I would miss the removable battery...as well as the ability, once again, to have the freedom to replace it. As you said in the article Michael, batteries wear out..if my phone is two years old, I would like the option of replacing the battery and at least giving it a fighting chance at lasting more than 2 hours.

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 16:12

101. BattleBrat (Posts: 1476; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)


I have a 1st gen iTouch, and a Droid 1 they are SLOW (well, the Droid1 isn't too bad if I keep it clean, Netflix works WELL), a four year old phone is my idea of torture. You will WANT TO UPGRADE!, The iTouch still has it's original battery and I still get 10hours battery life listening to music, and it's five years old, The reason they suck other then the speed, is that support for them drops, and apps stop working, and cannot be upgraded. And then you are left out in the cold, it is not a pleasant feeling. The battery will be the least of your problems with a 2-4 year old device.

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 20:19 1

106. phoenixpr (Posts: 167; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)


@paladinkar well written i been telling these fools the same thing and getting some, not much flack. nothing wrong in wanting and demanding freedom of choice. I too love tinkering with my Android.

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 22:53 1

113. paladinkar (unregistered)


I have a T-Mobile G2x and I bought it 1 month after it came out (came out in April and I bought it in May of last year). It is nearly one year old now and yes, I would like to replace my phone and I am hoping the SGSIII comes to T-mobile with the specs (and price) that I would like, but in the meantime, I am using my year-old phone. I don't abuse its battery too much but even so, after just one year, I have seen the battery life decrease by at least half an hour. So yes, not a whole lot, but enough to be annoying. Because of my phone's removable battery, I am now free to, and I am going to, purchase the extended battery for my phone.

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 16:32 1

102. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)


God damn it.
Don't let Android be like the iPhone.
I use USB Mass Storage and SD cards all the time. The cloud is too freaking slow.
Give Android users the freedom to do what they want to do, because if we don't have that, we're stooping to Apple's level.
God. Damn. It.

posted on 01 Apr 2012, 20:24 1

107. phoenixpr (Posts: 167; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)


@Non_Sequitur, Yes I really don't want Android to be like iCrap iPhone, and I'm a Mac user for almost a million years. LOL! So lets see what new breed of Android really make it to the shelf. If not I'm going all the way to the dark side and get the up coming iPhone 5. It almost hurts to even type that out.

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