The power of the 1% over mobile devices (expandable memory and removable batteries)
0. phoneArena 31 Mar 2012, 13:35 posted on
If there is anything that we try to do consistently, it is to point out that personal opinion does not equal one side of a right/wrong argument. There is a growing trend of manufacturers not including SD card slots or...
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1. AjayV (Posts: 4; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
anyways.. this post is true.. but i experienced the need for an expandable battery only once (and i BELIEVE that I belong to the 1%). and im sure 1800 mAh is enough coz 500 mhz is all that you will be running on mostly in the one x and samsung galaxy nexus has 1650 mAh.. so not bad.. it was properly executed. but a little more could have been better. thats all.. otherwise.. 1800 is perfect.. :)
6. Habib (Posts: 114; Member since: 26 Feb 2011)
samsung galaxy nexus has 1850 mAh battery :D!
52. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
Really nice, liked your article, and your writing
style micheal. every-one has coverd what few
thing's i was about to say! Well let's wait and
see what future brings.... shall it follow Apple's path.....!
59. Mario1017 (Posts: 336; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)
1750 for HSPA version, 1850 for LTE version
79. AjayV (Posts: 4; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
I just don't understand.. everyone here keeps putting a negative to every comment!! why don't they just admit the facts!??
but still.. rarely does anyone cross the requirement for any memory more than say 10 gb? ok at max what 16gb?? its not worth it man.. and companies mean business and their business comes from the 99% and not 1%. we say what we want.. they say what they want.. so majority wins.. our wants are overruled.. no choice.. accept truth fellas..
115. sgtdisturbed47 (Posts: 124; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)
I don't mind the "non-removable" battery in my iphone 4 (although I can replace it in under 2 minutes), and if I had a choice, I'd have a class 10 micro SD instead of internal storage only. Removable memory is easier to access and transfer, whereas with Cloud storage, you have to download it to your multiple locations.
The big Plus with Cloud storage now is it's becoming more and more automated, which is easier to work with, but with data limits/caps on smartphones and a limitation on free Cloud storage [before having to pay for more cloud storage], having removable memory is still a very viable option. Companies not including memory cards is not exactly harmful, because seriously, what percentage of people use more than the common 16gb of internal memory? 16gb is a lot of storage. I understand this, but it's still nice to not have to purchase a card seperately.
46. jlscott777 (Posts: 45; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
Not mine, do not need it, do not want it.
48. parkwaydr (Posts: 572; Member since: 07 Sep 2011)
I will always prefer SD cards, they are just safer.
53. sprockkets (Posts: 932; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)
So I have to stream my music anytime I want it? No thanks.
Give me 32GB and I'll be happy without the sd if and only if it give me high speeds. As it is, I never remove it since I can get to it via usb just fine.
69. frydaexiii (Posts: 1156; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
Yeah, lets see you get access to your files and media when you're in a place with no access to the internet on the go...
3. nnaatthhaannx2 (Posts: 819; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
I think Michael is the best Phone Arena writer.
Compare his articles to anyone elses, and you'll see why.
I read this article, and, without looking, I knew Michael wrote it!
10. clevername (Posts: 1407; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
He has a writing style unique from the others.
11. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)
54. matrix_neo (Posts: 307; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)
I agree also. Each article he wrote, you learned something. It keeps you reading until the last sentence. Keep up the good work Michael, we're just here always reading your articles.
4. danny_a2005 (Posts: 114; Member since: 06 Oct 2011)
I don't know what's the big deal with this... If you want a phone with all those features go and get it, there's some people like me that don't care about the battery or the sdcard, in fact most of people don't (iphone).. listen to 1%??? who would do that?? if you listen to 1% you will lose 99% of your costumers.. 99% of their customers don't care about that stuff, and we will buy this flagship, cause we asked for it, they've listened and here it is..
38. jabberwocky (Posts: 89; Member since: 21 Feb 2012)
I think I understand where you are coming from, but I would point out that you can buy an iPhone with 64GB of storage, and they have featured the longest battery life of all phones until only recently.
I think that is the point of the expandable storage and replaceable battery; more room for my stuff and a phone that lasts through an entire day (at least!).
61. Mario1017 (Posts: 336; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)
I dont know why you got so many dislikes, I get your point. And also why is it a big deal to have a removable battery...not many phones even have extended battery option. Just carry a charger (Its just a wire...) And i really couldn't care if my phone had a micro sd card slot or not, as long as it has enough memory im good. I only have a TOTAL of 8.5GB in my Desire and i still have space left over after music pictures and even roms.
68. phoenixpr (Posts: 163; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
Hence you are the 99% fool "F"in it up for the 1%, LOL! You just don't care is my point with all these fools buying crap and happy as can be, LOL!
112. Mario1017 (Posts: 336; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)
I do care. I wouldnt buy a phone with just 8gb and no sd card slot with a 1400mAh battery. If the battery is big enough...then what is the use of having a removable one. If it has enough storage without a card slot..then what are you losing out on? the card would just sit in your phone the entire time anyways, when you connect it to your computer most likley you plug your phone in and not take the card out. Android is better without card slots, it wouldnt take as long to load the data on the memory. and if you want more memory, you have dropbox (if you are with HTC) and soon you will also have Google Drive
118. WKlingbeil (Posts: 215; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)
I'll tell you one reason EVERYBODY needs a removable battery: phones freeze up. Unless you know the key combinations to reset the iPhone you'll have to fumble around the internet looking for it (but what if you don't have internet access other than your phone?). I don't need multiple batteries, but there's nothing simpler than removing the battery when my phone freezes up (though fortunately it's been months since I've had to do that).
88. SGSatlantis (Posts: 205; Member since: 20 Jul 2011)
My God, I just don't know why are you here, I mean not caring for SDslot or removable battery. Seem you only care about the logo on your phone...
1. "If you want a phone with all those features go and get it" yeah right, wanted the galaxy nexus with 32GB: never made it! So 16GB and no slot...
2. " there's some people like me that don't care about the battery or the sdcard, in fact most of people don't (iphone)." Most of the people I know care. If your budget was limited you would care too...
3. "listen to 1%??? who would do that?? if you listen to 1% you will lose 99% of your costumers.." well this is just wrong, manufacturers do listen to 1% and this is a fact, unlocking bootroms, bugfixes, updates... And if you include an SDslot and removable battery you won't lose a single sale. I don't hear anyone saying "dude i WILL not buy a phone with removable battery, I might lose it!"
4. "and we will buy this flagship, cause we asked for it, they've listened and here it is.. " I'm lost here... what flagship and who asked for it? Was there a petition? Who listened?
So to sum up, according to you, 99% think like this:
"I hate the SGS II, 16GB AAANND a SDcard slot? They nuts? Just give me 16GB and I'll pay for unlimited data and cloud services. Removable battery? The battery cover is so big and bulky makes the whole phone ugly"
I apologise for all the cinism and critics, no offense to the people that i have cited.
5. Outrager (Posts: 8; Member since: 26 Mar 2012)
I feel that if Android phones are going to lose the MicroSD slot they need to give you the option of different SKUs with more internal memory like the iPhone. The One X getting half the storage between the HSPA+ and LTE version is just so weird to me.
Some people might be fine with 16GB while others want at least 32GB. With the cameras getting better and taking larger pictures and also 1080p video recording it would be nice to have the extra internal memory to store all that. Also a lot of games and apps will start utilizing larger textures and other assets to look better on the newer 720p screens.
As for the cloud argument, some people live in areas with slow speeds and some people just aren't willing to pay extra for a higher data limit. If only carriers had affordable unlimited plans.
7. Whateverman (Posts: 3158; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Nice read Michael! What you said really is true about the power we have and ultimately lose when the new technology becomes the norm, so we should do more to influence that tech in its infancy and while we have the only voice OEMs are listening to. I don't think we fully realize how much beta tester-like status can shape the future of technology. Thanks for the new perspective!
8. flopjoke (Posts: 42; Member since: 05 Jan 2012)
This post actually makes sense. We're not exactly "1%", it's growing.. but yeah, we are the minority who follow the tech news on a regular basis.
But, it's not what they'll use, since if you create a phone with no expansions like iPhone, they'll buy it anyway. But there is a significant group of "casual users" who want a device with everything in it. So they'll go quad-core, 5.3" screen, SD card slot, hologram, time-machine.. just because it's the "latest". They won't really use those features, but the real trend set right now is that the bigger, the better. Be it camera, processor or screen size.. people just want EVERYTHING in one.
So basically, manufacturers do what they want and you can only accept it or whine.. eventually, you'll either wait for your dream phone which will never arrive, or you'll end up buying one of the "trends".
9. GuiltyBystander (Posts: 199; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)
The cloud is nice but the problem is data caps..
12. clevername (Posts: 1407; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
So true. With everything moving to the cloud and online storage, data caps get in the way of constantly streaming and uploading. I'm sure in the future the cloud will include video storage as well, if not steaming services like Netflix hulu and crackle will be, as they currently are, the best alternative to movies taking up internal storage. using these services run through data packages faster than anything else. 2gb can be used in 8 hours. Cloud storage and moving away from sd doesn't bother me at all, but the prospect of fearing overage charges just by accessing that data is maddening.
39. jabberwocky (Posts: 89; Member since: 21 Feb 2012)
I would add coverage to this. We do not have ubiquitous coverage, making local storage a necessity depending on where you are.
13. ph00ny (Posts: 565; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Expandable memory? Yes
Replaceable Battery? f**k no
If you use your phone for business, replacement battery is a nice thing to have.
Everyone in the office with company assigned iphone ended up with a battery case and android users ended up with extended batteries.
15. Whateverman (Posts: 3158; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Luckily, data cables, iPhone/pod/pad chargers are really cheap on Amazon.com. I charge my phone while using it sometimes, and charging while driving or working at my computer is a big help. And at a buck per cable, it doesn't cost much at all.
77. Whateverman (Posts: 3158; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Okay, three of you have got your panties all in a bunch about something, but I can't figure out what it is. Are you really thumbing me down because data cables are cheap? If that's the case, your problems are a lot bigger then my harmless little comments
119. WKlingbeil (Posts: 215; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)
Haha you're talking about other peoples' panties in a bunch, but you're throwing a hissy fit over people thumbing you down? Haha, I thumbed both comments down just so you could cry some more.
120. WKlingbeil (Posts: 215; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)
And then I thumbed my own comment down, in hopes of making you cry some more!
125. Whateverman (Posts: 3158; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Sweet little girl like you could never make a man like me cry. Run along now Nancy. Lol!
14. rallyguy (Posts: 430; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)
HTC One with 1800 mah? Maybe the T-Mobile, but the Sprint version, the Evo One is rumored to have a 2650 mah battery. If that is the case I think it will be fine, and it also is going to have a micro sd card slot. So they are still being used.
21. Outrager (Posts: 8; Member since: 26 Mar 2012)
It's a rumor. No point bringing it up until it's confirmed.
16. azri05 (unregistered)
That guy @phoenixpr going to be here somewhere posting same annoying opinion lol
28. phoenixpr (Posts: 163; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
LOL! Dude like I said, if this is going to be my option, It's gonna be a no brainier to just get an iPhone, at least I will have a better ecosystem and the apple genius bar to go to. Guys good luck with the new breed of Android. LOL! If I'm gonna be force to use a cloud service, LOL! once again no brainier to go on to Apple's cloud service. @azi05, you made me LOL with your post, Thanks... I am only kinda mad because I'm that 1% power use. I feel so lonely...
44. willardcw4 (Posts: 169; Member since: 01 Oct 2011)
Use that '1% power use' and take some grammar lessons. Oh, and stop using 'LOL' so much. It makes you look unintelligent.
57. bayusuputra (Posts: 941; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
even if he doesn't use LOL, he still looks unintelligent..
70. phoenixpr (Posts: 163; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
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62. phoenixpr (Posts: 163; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
LOL! Thanks for looking out for my reputation sweetie, I didn't know you care. OK I just signed up for grammar class tomorrow alone with your mother & father who needs it as well. Don't forget to pick us up. The yellow school doesn't start till next week.
121. WKlingbeil (Posts: 215; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)
The yellow school? Is that supposed to be some kind of undercut racial slur toward Asians? You racist Puerto Rican.
123. phoenixpr (Posts: 163; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
You just posted the dumest post ever. How does any one get Yellow school for asians. Dum assss! How dare you call Asian yellow, you racist freak. Here a another one, you dum fool. Blue School! Now what. LOL! Get to the gym you fat butthead.
98. phoenixpr (Posts: 163; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
You still don't get it, I much rather have an Android. I only LOVE Apple ecosystem and apple genius bar. So don't want to harp, I do Love Android, Like my current HTC Evo. Never ever owned an iCrap iPhone.
17. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 627; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Michael Heller, I'm afraid this is again the work of Apple's God status. They first decided what is uneccesary for us, even when majority thought it was. We listened to our master, because we got an object of desire in return. And when Apple decide something, everyone will adapt. The key to this is simple: we actually don't need anything at all. We need only food, water, shelter, social integraton and reproduction. For everything else, it's only a matter of desire, which could be engineered. And whilst technological world passively and uncounciousely invented desires for us, Apple was doing it actively, distancing itself from canon on purpose, to leave everyone behind. And now majority indeed don't need removable battery and expandable memory, so you can write your article with some artificial analysis, not knowing it was allways Apple's command, making its way for alternative solutions and exclusive position among everyone else.
19. azri05 (unregistered)
The 1st april fool of the day? Nah..
22. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 627; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
May I remind that Apple introduced unremovable battery and non-expandable memory when that was practically unimaginable. And, oh yes, they also removed a whole bunch of logical features, like MMS, delivery reports and so on... just to remind you that it was the plan - to start their own rules which everyone will have to follow. Now we got used to it and accepted the alternatives, so we can make dozens of rationalizations and theories why we didn't need it.
78. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2614; Member since: 26 May 2011)
You can believe what you want. If you want to put Apple up on that pedestal, and claim it has the power to control our brains, go for it. I'm sure someone out there will agree with you.
Personally, I think Apple just saw the same trend that others are seeing now. The vast majority of people don't use SD cards if there is sufficient internal storage and the vast majority never buy a second battery, and so never need to have a removable battery. If the customer doesn't need it, leaving it out is an easy way to cut a tiny bit of cost per handset.
It's just a math problem, not the hand of God.
80. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 627; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
You are clearly a smart guy, but isn't this a litle bit contradictory? How can you see the trend before it actually occurs?
You mustn't confuse trends with potential for trends. Trends are mostly created by unconcious dimension of social, economic and technological life (please read Malcolm Gladwell), however they can be purposely engineered but to achieve that you need vast media resources and most of all a charisma, cult following, something transcedental instead of merely technical.
So it's not a math problem, it's a religious problem. You can't just change the expectations, no matter what rational sense it makes, without having a power of belief. That's why everyone else failed when they tried to ommit something, and Apple allways succeded. People just believed in them and soon adapted.
The formula for Apple's success is that they change something radical, but they are simply accepted by the users because users just want to listen what Apple says. Then, when world adapts to Apple standards, they use something which is called A POSTERIORI RATIONALIZATION, in which they say they never really needed it (of course they didn't, you can say that for practically everything) and that Apple was a visionaire.
Just remember the story with Adobe Flash: first we were shocked, but somehow still believed in Apple - intstead adapting to Internet and the World, the Internet and the World adapted to Apple's decision. And now everyone is doing this a posteriori rationalization - we don't need it, making sites in Flash sucks, it's slow, it's buggy and so on...
Think about it ;-)
94. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2614; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Cell phones, removable batteries and sd card slots existed well before Apple made its move into smartphones. Sales for accessories can be cross referenced with sales for the device it would be compatible with. I'm sure there have been studies done on sd card usage in mobile devices before the iPhone existed. The data was there and the trends were there, Apple just made good on it. Don't claim causality because you can't see further back past Apple.
Even if Apple hadn't killed Flash, HTML5 would have killed it, because that "posteriori rationalization" existed before Apple's decision as well.
Smart people do smart things, and try to do them before others. Did we rationalize the change when Google started the trend to give enormous amounts of online storage space in Gmail and other products? Did we bash Google for trying to force us into the cloud? No, we applaud them, as we should Apple, for seeing the better way and making it happen. And guess what? If you don't like that path, offline e-mail still exists for anyone that wants it.
104. chadrick0814 (Posts: 208; Member since: 23 Nov 2011)
Michael, apple didn't leave out SD cards to set a trend. They left it out for money.Period. Swapping data with an SD card would be virtually impossible with ITunes. If iPhone had an SD card slot, would anyone buy any iPhone model beyond 16gb? You acknowledge its also a cost cutting measure. But pretending they leave out features because 99% of consumers don't want it is false. I guess 99% of consumers also say they don't want 4g? Face it, apple is cool and that's what allows them to get away with selling devices lacking features. They know their users will just say "I don't need that anyway." And because you can't miss what you never had, they are mostly right. Other manufacturers saw that apple was making money from the cloud and wanted to jump on the money making trend, not the "consumer doesn't want it " trend. When one airline started charging bag fees, other airlines laughed at them...until they learned that they made $250 million on them. Now they all charge the fee, save one. But airlines aren't charging bag fees because 99% of consumers want it.
116. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2614; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Admittedly, the reasoning was a mix of greed and trendsetting, but we can't say that others are cutting out sd cards for purely customer-driven reasons either. Yes, Apple wanted to have an easy way to charge an extra $100 for more internal storage, but at the same time, the relatively few users opting for the larger internal memory proves that most people don't really need that much storage, sd card or not.
114. AppleConspiracy (Posts: 627; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Michael, you would be suprised with how many things we statistically either don't actually use or could use some kind of alternative. If you think about it, we could easily come to conclusion that "car" needs to be redefined. They are allways the same and perhaps unneccesary as they are. As a MA in industrial design a know that very well, and not only do I know the history of Apple and its "procedures", I know the whole history of 20th century capitalist production.
For this revolutionary changes to take place however, usage statistics aren't enough and you won't be smart if you try to change them, but you would be stupid. Because you need to understand the concept of technological paradigm. Deep integration in consumer expectations can be broken only with the power of blind belief. Apple has engineered this belief for a long time (as of 1998. when first iMac was here, and then with iPod), and they reached the peak in 2007. with iPhone.
They allways played on religion card - never just technical!
I will remind you about "retina" screen. How come suddenly the whole world fall into paradox by putting IPS-grade screens on cell phones and they wouldn't do it for decades in segment that actually needeed it? Do you think no one ever thought of high-density WYSIWYG screens before iPhone4? They did, however they couldn't do it because technological paradigm has its inertia in consumers, and it can be change only by an external and transcedental force of persuasion that Apple has. And you ignore it, reducing this clearly dominant world phenomenon to technicality.
Sorry to inform you - it is this short sightedness that you have the main reason why Steve Jobs has been able to be "smarter" than everyone. We designers have allways thought like Steve Jobs. He is not God, he is simply ordinary man who thinks like a designer. Unforunately, most important CEOs of main manufacturers weren't and now they pay the price, and still can't get it. Becuse they are businessmen, economists, technologist and they can never see the bigger picture.
Michael, everything that now occurs in technolgiy and industry is now dictated by Apple. Everything else is just rationalization. You didn't understand what I was trying to say, I hope now you do.
122. WKlingbeil (Posts: 215; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)
I will thumbs up every post of yours from now on just because of your user name. I agree that people do not think on their own when it comes to Apple though. I mean, I only need to take their "It Just Works" ad campaign as my example. What just works? Having a plug that easily comes out when you trip over it? How many desktops are there in the world sitting in the middle of a bedroom and not against the wall with the outlets? People actually used that line, only deepening my disdain for that fruit company. Apple's mission is to make people think as little as possible, that's why their UI's are so easy to understand. At least Android users are forced to think about what they're going to do. When in human history have we ever sought the easy route for everything like we do when it comes to Apple products? "Duhhhh, I want to push button and have stuff happen. No think too much!" I don't know that I would say Apple has this "god" appeal, but I do see them as a company nobody wants to question because... well... "It just works."
18. deaton5 (Posts: 4; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)
Leaving your device on a charger all night after the battery has hit 100% can be quite bad for the lifetime health of your battery???
I have used a Sony P1i for the last 6 years leaving it on the charger ALL NIGHT for each and EVERY DAY of that time. The Sony brand (but made in China) lithium battery is as good as the day I bought the phone!
20. dallas90733 (Posts: 35; Member since: 06 Mar 2011)
Sorry guys, I just can't imagine the Sprint-SGSII without a Sd slot & removeable battery. I know the future is in the clouds, but the SGSII wouldn't be the same phone.Nexus Prime vs SGSII; the Prime is a very very good phone, but honestly, I'll take the SGSII over the Nexus Prime or the Droid Razr, which both are great phones.I guess they will remove SD slot from Tablets next; Then bluRay from laptop and desktop..might as well cause everything is going to the clouds.
29. phoenixpr (Posts: 163; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
So true, I'm not buying that. The more data they can force you to use, the more money they get. As far as people saying I will still have option, LOL! Yeah the CRAP left over Androids that no one want, but the high end phone, are what I wanted. LOL!